Danny Ward - Is this right?

NachoBusiness · 20-07-2015 01:45AM

pablo128 wrote: »

There are times when you have to make a stand, if for nothing else to dissuade others from doing the same thing.

If fear of prison doesn't dissuade someone from raping a child, the thought they might get a few slaps is hardly going to.

newmug · 20-07-2015 02:08AM

pablo128 wrote: »

I'm not a garden variety criminal, common thug or thief, nor do I regard myself as a hero. Yet I would do the same or more as that chap did.

There are times when you have to make a stand, if for nothing else to dissuade others from doing the same thing.

If the justice system worked, then we wouldn't need people to take matters into their own hands. Rape a child, die in jail. Thats how it should be.

tastyt · 20-07-2015 02:15AM

See the problem here is the Scumbag that's hitting him. That dope is probably in the station for robbing some old persons house or for assault ( quite likely watching this video )

That ward prick is scum of the earth and deserved a few digs at least. It's just I'd prefer if it was a couple of decent cops dishing it out instead of this scrote.

LETHAL LADY · 20-07-2015 02:22AM

If Adrian Kennedy and Jeremy Dixon gave a ****e about the poor little girl that was raped then they wouldn't be asking everyone who comments a connection on the facebook link to ring them. This form of social media justice is the lowest of the low imo. The Ward chap doesn't look to be playing with a full deck anyway.

hatrickpatrick · 20-07-2015 02:26AM

I don't approve of vigilantism, BUT, it's an absolute inevitability when the courts don't do their job.

The blood of anyone who is injured in a vigilante attack like this ultimately rests on the hands of whatever judge allowed them to be out in the streets when anyone with any shred of decency knows that they deserve to be serving more time than they do. Sentencing in Ireland is a joke.

Howyanow50 · 20-07-2015 02:27AM

I sort of feel sorry for that Danny Ward fella, chances are he was probably abused as child himself like so many cases.

conorh91 · 20-07-2015 02:28AM

newmug wrote: »

If the justice system worked, then we wouldn't need people to take matters into their own hands. Rape a child, die in jail. Thats how it should be.

The very crux of your opinion flies in the face of the rule of law.

It's like saying "we can have elections so long as my chosen candidate wins"

In this case, who gets to decide if the justice system works? Vigilantes? No thanks.

The sentencing regime in Ireland is imperfect. Humans implementing any system will give rise to imperfect and inconsistent outcomes, which can hopefully be minimised.
At the same time, criminology studies elsewhere have suggested that the gap between public attitudes to sentencing and judicial attitudes is more narrow than is suggested by sensational media headlines of extreme cases, or inaccurately-reported trials (which is very common).

Sentencing should be constantly reviewed through legislative amendments, sentencing guidelines, and practice and procedural changes in the office of the DPP. But it isn't up to you, or that guy in the video, to take it upon yourselves to correct what you see as the shortcomings of the justice system.

hatrickpatrick · 20-07-2015 02:35AM

conorh91 wrote: »

The sentencing regime in Ireland is imperfect,

"Imperfect"? This has to be a joke, right? That's like describing a 12.0 earthquake as "a bit of a tremor". The sentencing regime in Ireland is completely f*cked.

but criminology studies elsewhere have suggested that the gap between public attitudes to sentencing and judicial attitudes is more similar than is suggested by sensational media headlines of extreme cases, or badly explained cases.

Meaning?

Sentencing should be constantly reviewed through legislative amendments, sentencing guidelines, and practice and procedural changes in the office of the DPP.

no, we need mandatory minimum sentencing for violent crimes, steadily increment img with each previous conviction in the same vein of offenses.

But it isn't up to you, or that guy in the video, to take it upon yourselves to correct what you see as the shortcomings of the justice system.

It is if you feel your child's safety is in danger because our justice system fails to permanently eliminate threats from known scumbags.

Richard Hillman · 20-07-2015 02:36AM

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

I don't approve of vigilantism, BUT, it's an absolute inevitability when the courts don't do their job.

The blood of anyone who is injured in a vigilante attack like this ultimately rests on the hands of whatever judge allowed them to be out in the streets when anyone with any shred of decency knows that they deserve to be serving more time than they do. Sentencing in Ireland is a joke.

Yes. I think these situations are going to increase over the next few years with shoddy sentencing and social media. Then there is the likes of these Kennedy and Dixon fellows who know that reports on the likes of Ward and Murphy are gold for ratings.

Once Ward either dies or leaves the country, there will be a new bogeyman.

conorh91 · 20-07-2015 02:53AM

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

"Imperfect"? This has to be a joke, right? That's like describing a 12.0 earthquake as "a bit of a tremor". The sentencing regime in Ireland is completely f*cked.

Based on a selective sample of sensational newspaper reports, right?

I can think of sentences I thought were too lenient or too harsh. We all can. But don't exaggerate based on, I presume, newspaper headlines that jumped out at you.

Meaning?

Meaning, obviously, that newspaper reports of sentencing only highlight the apparently egregious departures from public opinion, and, more often than not, will be a badly incomplete analysis of a trial.

For example, most people think rape sentencing is too lenient, even though 70% of sentences are for a minimum of about a decade. The shorter sentences tend to be in cases where the individual admitted guilt at an early stage, so as to cause minimal further damage and stress to victims.

no, we need mandatory minimum sentencing for violent crimes, steadily increment img with each previous conviction in the same vein of offenses.

Mandatory sentencing is a truly terrible idea in most cases. It encourages accused persons to plead Not Guilty, creating a greater burden on the DPP and AGS. It is also offensive to the Separation of Powers, and risks polluting the administration of justice with mass populism. It can also give rise to blatant injustices since all context goes out the window, and there's very weak data to support the application of MMSs.

It is if you feel your child's safety is in danger because our justice system fails to permanently eliminate threats from known scumbags.

No. No individual has the right to singlehandedly 'fix' what he thinks is wrong with criminal sentencing and the rule of law. I don't care how many children he has. Having children does not give anyone that right.

Ed Winchester · 20-07-2015 03:06AM

Howyanow50 wrote: »

I sort of feel sorry for that Danny Ward fella, chances are he was probably abused as child himself like so many cases.

On your own there pal. A child rapist does not deserve any sympathy or excuses made for him. He's absolute filth.

NIMAN · 20-07-2015 03:19AM

As much as I'll not lose any sleep for the guy getting a slap or two, the increasing amount of people who would love to see us live in a world of vigilantes is worrying.

You either believe in the rule of law or you don't. Individuals cannot take the law into their own hands. No proper society will ever function like that.

I would also guess that the guy doing the slapping is not exactly an example of who we should all aspire to be. Just because he is slapping a convicted paedo doesn't in any way make him a hero.

deco nate · 20-07-2015 03:29AM

Why the **** is he more or less 'outside "? That he can get the ****e kicked out of him if the storys are true?
You do know that all of us are going to have to pay compensation because the cops did not do segregate him, it looks bad on whoever let it happen. Imo

NIMAN · 20-07-2015 03:40AM

deco nate wrote: »

Why the **** is he more or less 'outside "? That he can get the ****e kicked out of him if the storys are true?
You do know that all of us are going to have to pay compensation because the cops did not do segregate him, it looks bad on whoever let it happen. Imo

Only if the judge decides to give him compo.
Judge could refuse on the grounds that if he hadn't have commited his crime then he wouldn't have attracted the slap surely?

Although I am no fan of vigilantes, I also don't agree with this 'compo for everyone' culture. A judge could take the stand and say "if you weren't a paedo, you wouldn't get hit".

deco nate · 20-07-2015 03:50AM

NIMAN wrote: »

Only if the judge decides to give him compo.
Judge could refuse on the grounds that if he hadn't have commited his crime then he wouldn't have attracted the slap surely?

Although I am no fan of vigilantes, I also don't agree with this 'compo for everyone' culture. A judge could take the stand and say "if you weren't a paedo, you wouldn't get hit".

Oh I agree, how ever. if this happened in a police ststation then it brings up way too many problems. Mostly by the police by letting it happen, however I don't know were this video was made. But it doesn't look good

(by law he has to be protected, in that video it looks like they didn't do there job) that's why I said we are gonna pay for a hard man Muppets actions. And yes he was being a big I am.
Well sure he is just as much a scum bag, I have had dealings with scum wanting
Money's but some forget they are just as bad

RedemptionZ · 20-07-2015 05:54AM

I know nothing of the Danny Ward situation, but he looks like there's a few screws loose in the head. Assume he's served his time? Don't condone the assault either way but it's certainly worse if the guy has served what he was sentenced. It's not his fault if you think it's too lenient, take that up with the courts, campaign for it.

I doubt there's anyone on this site that doesn't think what Ward did was disgusting, but society can't function if vigilantism is tolerated. The guy who hit him was a scumbag. Do I think he had the child in mind when he attacked him? No he was angry so he hit him. This kind of behaviour shouldn't be tolerated. Is the child going to feel any better about this? Like feck she is, the damage has been done to her and she needs to get psychological help, possibly for the rest of her life. She doesn't need people to beat up the guy that raped her. Fairly simple when you think about it.

How about instead of beating up that guy, that scumbag in the video decided to fundraise for the rape crisis centre? That to me would be much more heroic, but I suppose some of you bloodthirsty baboons would prefer to see more people get hurt.

suicide_circus · 20-07-2015 08:47AM

our hero tries to land a kick at a stationary target and falls over

Starokan · 20-07-2015 09:17AM

No it is not right, just because the person he attacked is a paedophile does not make his assault justified.

He should be prosecuted for assault and dealt with as the court determines. It amazes me at times how casually people can defend assault, do you really think the ward chap is the first person he has attacked in that way, if he can do that then this guy is the same character who will hop on some innocent person as they go about their business. You have two criminals on that video not just one.

In my opinion both of these individuals have the capacity to destroy ordinary decent peoples lives and my preference would be to see both removed from society for as long as possible.

BizzyC · 20-07-2015 09:22AM

I dont have sympathy for the man, messing with kids is one thing I'll never have sympathy for, but I'm surprised this happened in a Garda Station of all places.

Where were the Gardai, why was he left in a room with 2 strangers?

Flippyfloppy · 20-07-2015 09:58AM

Howyanow50 wrote: »

I sort of feel sorry for that Danny Ward fella, chances are he was probably abused as child himself like so many cases.

Not in every case. There are psychotic, narcissistic individuals out there who just have sick minds.

20-07-2015 10:02AM

No it's not right.

There is some saying about 2 wrongs...something about a right...one not making the other...just can't think of it...

hynesie08 · 20-07-2015 10:05AM

suicide_circus wrote: »

our hero tries to land a kick at a stationary target and falls over

And will now probably put in a claim against the Gardai for "loss of earnings"

VisibleGorilla · 20-07-2015 10:08AM

No of course it's not right.

Do people really want to live in a society where "Gavo" is walking around dishing out his own form of justice?

This man has served his time and is monitored by the Gardai, if people are not happy with his sentence take it up with your local politicians.

Chances he re-offends are extremely low according to all current statistics, over 90% of sexual abuse is done by someone close to the victim.

pablo128 · 20-07-2015 10:15AM

VisibleGorilla wrote: »

No of course it's not right.

Do people really want to live in a society where "Gavo" is walking around dishing out his own form of justice?

This man has served his time and is monitored by the Gardai, if people are not happy with his sentence take it up with your local politicians.

Chances he re-offends are extremely low according to all current statistics, over 90% of sexual abuse is done by someone close to the victim.

Do some fcuking research. This guy was going around leering in the windows of a primary school at little girls doing Irish dancing, AFTER he was released. The police had to put a squad car outside the school every day.

He is a serious danger to our children.

galljga1 · 20-07-2015 10:20AM

Howyanow50 wrote: »

I sort of feel sorry for that Danny Ward fella, chances are he was probably abused as child himself like so many cases.

No excuse. Never was, never will be, no way. Complete bull.

RichardCeann · 20-07-2015 10:32AM

It seems that Ward is a bit special and also likely to reoffend. He got battered outside a pub in Ringsend two weeks ago too. That was a proper kicking. He was also caught peeking into the windows of a primary school.

Perhaps it would be best for all involved if he was taken in to some mental health unit and given the help that he needs. Leaving him roam to get his head kicked in regularly and to hang about primary schools isn't the wisest course of action.

20-07-2015 10:39AM

I used to know his brother when I was younger. Very decent man & single father; had plenty of his own troubles but wouldn't harm a fly. He used to drive his children to school in a pony & trap, this was about 1997! Lovely man. It's that family I feel sorry for, seeing their relative live like a wretch and at the same time knowing what he's done.

RichardCeann wrote: »

He was also caught peeking into the windows of a primary school.

I can't be the only one who's skeptical about the stories of Ward peering in windows like some nefarious Wee Willie Winkie, and buying children's toys for bait. As far as I can see these claims have come from facebook. It's fueling a mob mentality and I don't think it will end well....

vicwatson · 20-07-2015 10:40AM

Tracky guy should sue the state for the garda station having a wet floor

doulikeit · 20-07-2015 10:41AM

You rape a child you loose your place in the human race, dirty creep, he deserves to be treated no better

inforfun · 20-07-2015 10:41AM

The guy handing out the beating would get my support if it was his child being the victim.
But i guess that isnt the case so neither gets my sympathy.

Danny Ward - Is this right?

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