The US Think They Can Extradite Gary Davis

darkpagandeath · 15-07-2015 03:17PM

end of the road wrote: »

laws brought in by a democratic government voted in by the people, verses laws brought in by a military junta who forced their way into power? no ****ing contest

What Jurisdiction Does Ireland have over Egypt as one is fond of Using the word Jurisdiction.

IrishTrajan · 15-07-2015 03:25PM

Noblong wrote: »

With the bit-coins then.

There's a lot of crypto-currencies, it's just that bit-coin was a one off-wonder. But trying to stop them all would, once again, require the devotion of large resources... I simply don't believe Ireland has those resources to dedicate.

lizzyman · 15-07-2015 03:35PM

Joeytheparrot wrote: »

Aspergers isn't autism and why does that mean a person shouldn't goto prison?

Actually, it is. The most recent version of the DSM has eliminated Aspergers as a separate diagnosis and instead included it as a form of autism.

darkpagandeath · 15-07-2015 03:37PM

lizzyman wrote: »

Actually, it is. The most recent version of the DSM has eliminated Aspergers as a separate diagnosis and instead included it as a form of autism.

Does it matter ? How does that diminish breaking the law.

Timberrrrrrrr · 15-07-2015 03:38PM

darkpagandeath wrote: »

Does it matter ? How does that diminish breaking the law.

What law has he broken? He hasn't been found guilty of anything yet, Do you not believe in innocent until proven guilty?
Hell the DPP are not even interested in investigating him.

Mr Davis, counsel submitted, should have been charged in Ireland with corresponding offences but the DPP has not investigated and had no intention of charging Mr Davis in relation to his alleged involvement with the Silk Road website.

BoJack Horseman · 15-07-2015 03:43PM

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

What law has he broken? He hasn't been found guilty of anything yet, Do you not believe in innocent until proven guilty?

That process can't start until he's extradited & questioned I imagine.

nxbyveromdwjpg · 15-07-2015 03:48PM

BoJack Horseman wrote: »

That process can't start until he's extradited & questioned I imagine.

So he's broken no Irish law then? Glad that's settled.

Why would we send this guy off to America then - they don't govern Ireland.

Eugene Norman · 15-07-2015 03:50PM

darkpagandeath wrote: »

Facilitating crime is legal in Ireland ?

That's a deliberate misunderstanding of my point.
If it's a crime here then have the trial here. If not, no extradition

ohnonotgmail · 15-07-2015 03:53PM

I see this thread has taken the predictable ugly turn.

Smiles35 · 15-07-2015 04:31PM

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

I see this thread has taken the predictable ugly turn.

Meh, the tread. What about your spooky next door neighbour buying a machine gun.

Wompa1 · 15-07-2015 04:57PM

end of the road wrote: »

no america are going after him in the hope that this time they will get their wish to over rule irelands jurisdiction

How much do you know about the case? Did he commit any crime or facilitate a crime that happened to cross into America? I'd bet that he did at some point. It's like the Fifa thing, the US had the levity to go after them because money was being wired through US accounts. If anything touched the US digital or otherwise. They can feel free to seek extradition. It doesn't mean Ireland will grant it but they might.

What if he facilitated a crime that somebody else or multiple people committed from the US? The crime which he facilitated would have originated from the US. Also, if he's an Administrator, I bet he used a US IP at some stage to get around something

darkpagandeath · 15-07-2015 04:59PM

nm wrote: »

So he's broken no Irish law then? Glad that's settled.

Why would we send this guy off to America then - they don't govern Ireland.

No they don't that's why they have applied to the courts.

darkpagandeath · 15-07-2015 05:01PM

Eugene Norman wrote: »

That's a deliberate misunderstanding of my point.
If it's a crime here then have the trial here. If not, no extradition

I would imagine the courts will be deciding the legalities of this.

nullzero · 15-07-2015 05:03PM

They may take our Gary Davis but they will never take our national inferiority complex.

end of the road · 15-07-2015 05:11PM

Wompa1 wrote: »

How much do you know about the case? Did he commit any crime or facilitate a crime that happened to cross into America? I'd bet that he did at some point. It's like the Fifa thing, the US had the levity to go after them because money was being wired through US accounts. If anything touched the US digital or otherwise. They can feel free to seek extradition. It doesn't mean Ireland will grant it but they might.

What if he facilitated a crime that somebody else or multiple people committed from the US? The crime which he facilitated would have originated from the US. Also, if he's an Administrator, I bet he used a US IP at some stage to get around something

as he wasn't in the US, any supposed crime he supposibly commited is irrelevant to the US.

Wompa1 · 15-07-2015 05:15PM

end of the road wrote: »

as he wasn't in the US, any supposed crime he supposibly commited is irrelevant to the US.

A long time ago laws were put in place for cyber crime. If somebody facilitates a crime and that crosses into the US. They can seek to prosecute. It doesn't mean the Irish Government will allow the extradition but they could if the US can make a case for him breaking the law there.

Eugene Norman · 15-07-2015 05:24PM

Wompa1 wrote: »

How much do you know about the case? Did he commit any crime or facilitate a crime that happened to cross into America? I'd bet that he did at some point. It's like the Fifa thing, the US had the levity to go after them because money was being wired through US accounts. If anything touched the US digital or otherwise. They can feel free to seek extradition. It doesn't mean Ireland will grant it but they might.

What if he facilitated a crime that somebody else or multiple people committed from the US? The crime which he facilitated would have originated from the US. Also, if he's an Administrator, I bet he used a US IP at some stage to get around something

You are basically accepting that the U.S. has jurisdiction over the world/Internet in most circumstances.

Eugene Norman · 15-07-2015 05:25PM

Wompa1 wrote: »

A long time ago laws were put in place for cyber crime. If somebody facilitates a crime and that crosses into the US. They can seek to prosecute. It doesn't mean the Irish Government will allow the extradition but they could if the US can make a case for him breaking the law there.

But not the reverse. I mean the U.S. is probably in violation of European laws every day.

darkpagandeath · 15-07-2015 05:42PM

Eugene Norman wrote: »

You are basically accepting that the U.S. has jurisdiction over the world/Internet in most circumstances.

What an odd idea, I would see it as punishing people for facilitating crimes in another Jurisdiction. Or is facilitating crime not illegal ?

darkpagandeath · 15-07-2015 05:44PM

Eugene Norman wrote: »

But not the reverse. I mean the U.S. is probably in violation of European laws every day.

What's that got to do with this lad facilitating crime ?

Timberrrrrrrr · 15-07-2015 05:46PM

darkpagandeath wrote: »

What an odd idea, I would see it as punishing people for facilitating crimes in another Jurisdiction. Or is facilitating crime not illegal ?

The US refuses to extradite people accused of murder, why should anyone facilitate their request when they refuse to reciprocate other countries requests? Also you keep claiming he has facilitated crime, care to show where he has been found guilty of this?

darkpagandeath · 15-07-2015 05:50PM

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

The US refuses to extradite people accused of murder, why should anyone facilitate their request when they refuse to reciprocate other countries requests? Also you keep claiming he has facilitated crime, care to show where he has been found guilty of this?

Why would Ireland throw it's toys out of the pram ? He's not been found guilty hence the request for an extradition to try him under law.

Timberrrrrrrr · 15-07-2015 05:53PM

darkpagandeath wrote: »

Why would Ireland throw it's toys out of the pram ? He's not been found guilty hence the request for an extradition to try him under law.

So no proof of crime committed but send him off anyway, meanwhile they refuse to extradite murderers but expect special treatment. Hopefully the judge tells em to **** off out of it.

darkpagandeath · 15-07-2015 05:55PM

[QUOTE=Timberrrrrrrr;96253177]So no proof of crime committed but send him off anyway, meanwhile they refuse to extradite murderers but expect special treatment. Hopefully the judge tells em to **** off out of it.[/QUOTE]

I would imagine they have Proof hence the request to try him under the law.

JONJO THE MISER · 15-07-2015 05:57PM

I thought open court cases cant be discussed on here, my thread on Grainne Seoige has just been closed because there is a open court case yet this thread is allowed to stay open which is also a open court case

Double standards.

darkpagandeath · 15-07-2015 06:00PM

JONJO THE MISER wrote: »

I thought open court cases cant be discussed on here, my thread on Grainne Seoige has just been closed because there is a open court case yet this thread is allowed to stay open which is also a open court case
Double standards.

I don't think it effects Extradition, As he will be being tried in another Jurisdiction. This case just has to say yes or no to allowing this.

nxbyveromdwjpg · 15-07-2015 06:06PM

darkpagandeath wrote: »

I would imagine they have Proof hence the request to try him under the law.

Imaginations don't make him guilty of anything.

He has committed no crime here, that's a fact and there's no justification for sending an Irish citizen accused of deleting forum posts and what not by the self-appointed world police off to be fitted for an orange jumpsuit, on the basis of things like your imagination.

Hopefully the judge does the right thing.

darkpagandeath · 15-07-2015 06:12PM

nm wrote: »

Imaginations don't make him guilty of anything.

He has committed no crime here, that's a fact and there's no justification for sending an Irish citizen accused of deleting forum posts and what not by the self-appointed world police should be shipped off and fitted for an orange jumpsuit, on the basis of things like your imagination.

Hopefully the judge does the right thing.

I would wager it's to do with Facilitation of crime and not just deleting forum posts. If the person involved was aware of crimes being committed they should have gone to the Garda.

Timberrrrrrrr · 15-07-2015 06:17PM

darkpagandeath wrote: »

I would imagine they have Proof hence the request to try him under the law.

So why did the DPP refuse to even investigate?

darkpagandeath · 15-07-2015 06:20PM

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

So why did the DPP refuse to even investigate?

Not their jurisdiction maybe ? The crimes being committed were not here.

The US Think They Can Extradite Gary Davis

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