The US Think They Can Extradite Gary Davis

end of the road · 15-07-2015 02:21PM

wicklowwonder wrote: »

So should we try him or is OP looking for him to released?

If the yanks have a case and jurisdiction let him go if they don't have jurisdiction but he did commit a crime in Ireland we should deal with him.

no . not let him go. he must be kept in ireland at all costs. murka's illegitimate trial must not be facilitated

end of the road · 15-07-2015 02:22PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Well looks like you don't know the first thing about extraditions...

http://www.thejournal.ie/irish-citizen-deported-united-states-deported-algerian-2116734-May2015/

Though I don't think the citizenship aspect should give Davis any protection.

it should. he has no chance of a fair trial, just one where things will be made up and dramatized and the rest

darkpagandeath · 15-07-2015 02:23PM

end of the road wrote: »

it should. he has no chance of a fair trial, just one where things will be made up and dramatized and the rest

This sounds awfully familiar ...... :pac::pac::pac:

Gatling · 15-07-2015 02:25PM

Pack him off .

He knew what exactly he was involved in aspergers is no excuse

IrishTrajan · 15-07-2015 02:26PM

darkpagandeath wrote: »

If the Americans are willing to pay his stay in jail why is one complaining ? Would you rather we pay from him in jail here for some reason ?

Because this is not simply a matter of cost. It is a matter of supremacy. If Irish law states the person can only extradited for a crime they committed if they were in that country, why would we extradite someone who wasn't in their country just because their laws say so?

US law does not, and should not, supersede Irish law.

darkpagandeath · 15-07-2015 02:27PM

Gatling wrote: »

Pack him off .

He knew what exactly he was involved in aspergers is no excuse

Did not look to Awkward in that picture, Looks even like he enjoyed the photo opportunity. :pac:

Eugene Norman · 15-07-2015 02:27PM

darkpagandeath wrote: »

If the Americans are willing to pay his stay in jail why is one complaining ? Would you rather we pay from him in jail here for some reason ?

Is he accused of any crime here?

end of the road · 15-07-2015 02:30PM

darkpagandeath wrote: »

This sounds awfully familiar ...... :pac::pac::pac:

yes, it does. its called an american trial

darkpagandeath · 15-07-2015 02:35PM

Eugene Norman wrote: »

Is he accused of any crime here?

Just because the DPP are not going after him does not say he did not commit a crime. At a minimum he is an accessory to crime. Due to not reporting criminal activity to the Garda, I'm guessing the DPP are not going after him as the Americans are.

Timberrrrrrrr · 15-07-2015 02:36PM

darkpagandeath wrote: »

Ok so he should be in Jail here. What's the difference why not let the Americans pay for his stay in jail in America ?

For what?

end of the road · 15-07-2015 02:36PM

topper75 wrote: »

Not sure what Ireland owes this individual such that we would risk a reputation internationally for harbouring crims. I believe the U.S. judges understand Asbergers plenty good. Book him Danno.

book him for what. were not harbouring criminals (yes criminals not crims) . he commited the crime here. **** international reputation. us extraditing him would be actually dangerous for us as we would be giving up our jurisdiction. irish law over rules US law. i can't believe you would be happy to give up our jurisdiction for some mythical international reputation

Eugene Norman · 15-07-2015 02:37PM

darkpagandeath wrote: »

Just because the DPP are not going after him does not say he did not commit a crime. At a minimum he is an accessory to crime. Due to not reporting criminal activity to the Garda, I'm guessing the DPP are not going after him as the Americans are.

Ok. So no trial here.

What now if you did something illegal in America on this site, but legal in Ireland. This site doesnt have servers in the U.S. How far does the imperial reach of America go -- to the borders of all the world.

end of the road · 15-07-2015 02:38PM

my friend wrote: »

Ship him out.
Zero pity.
One less demanding burdensome PITA for our society .

no . our society's job to deal with criminals who commit crime in ireland. none of america's business with their illegitimate trial. so your happy to give up our jurisdiction as well? jesus, the amount who want this country to have no jurisdiction or law at all is frightening

darkpagandeath · 15-07-2015 02:39PM

Eugene Norman wrote: »

Ok. So no trial here.

What now if you did something illegal in America on this site, but legal in Ireland. This site doesnt have servers in the U.S. How far does the imperial reach of America go -- to the borders of all the world.

Facilitating crime is legal in Ireland ?

end of the road · 15-07-2015 02:40PM

topper75 wrote: »

Assisting child porn facilitators to evade justice? There are many potential adjectives. "Ballsy" doesn't make the list.

if it stops america from getting him

darkpagandeath · 15-07-2015 02:41PM

end of the road wrote: »

no . our society's job to deal with criminals who commit crime in ireland. none of america's business with their illegitimate trial. so your happy to give up our jurisdiction as well? jesus, the amount who want this country to have no jurisdiction or law at all is frightening

Yet people here are wanting Ireland's laws to supersede Egyptian for example. Odd world view.

darkpagandeath · 15-07-2015 02:42PM

end of the road wrote: »

if it stops america from getting him

Hahahaha Jesus wept... :pac::pac::pac::pac::pac::pac:

Irish Praetorian · 15-07-2015 02:44PM

*Rabble Rabble* Death to America, evil empire, worst country in world, boo hiss! *Rabble Rabble*

There we go, I just saved you all a thread...

Smiles35 · 15-07-2015 02:47PM

Can we not just declare these tor networks a millitary tech and bring in a heafty 10 years for those caught using it along with bit coins. We need a deterant ourselves along with every other country.

end of the road · 15-07-2015 02:47PM

darkpagandeath wrote: »

Just because the DPP are not going after him does not say he did not commit a crime. At a minimum he is an accessory to crime. Due to not reporting criminal activity to the Garda, I'm guessing the DPP are not going after him as the Americans are.

no america are going after him in the hope that this time they will get their wish to over rule irelands jurisdiction

end of the road · 15-07-2015 02:48PM

Eugene Norman wrote: »

Ok. So no trial here.

What now if you did something illegal in America on this site, but legal in Ireland. This site doesnt have servers in the U.S. How far does the imperial reach of America go -- to the borders of all the world.

it goes to wherever it decides it goes

end of the road · 15-07-2015 02:50PM

darkpagandeath wrote: »

Yet people here are wanting Ireland's laws to supersede Egyptian for example. Odd world view.

laws brought in by a democratic government voted in by the people, verses laws brought in by a military junta who forced their way into power? no ****ing contest

end of the road · 15-07-2015 02:52PM

Noblong wrote: »

Can we not just declare these tor networks a millitary tech and bring in a heafty 10 years for those caught using it along with bit coins. We need a deterant ourselves along with every other country.

there would be no deterrent to this. people will use this type of stuff no matter what, just like people will commit crimes no matter what. if we want just simple punishments for those caught using however

IrishTrajan · 15-07-2015 02:54PM

Noblong wrote: »

Can we not just declare these tor networks a millitary tech and bring in a heafty 10 years for those caught using it along with bit coins. We need a deterant ourselves along with every other country.

The problem with that is that there's more than just Tor, and trying to police it would cost an arm and a leg. Heck, not even everyone uses Tor for illegal deeds (though most would, yes), some just don't want corporations having their info.

Smiles35 · 15-07-2015 02:55PM

end of the road wrote: »

there would be no deterrent to this. people will use this type of stuff no matter what, just like people will commit crimes no matter what. if we want just simple punishments for those caught using however

Yeah, have to make it simple. Too expensive and time consuming all this 'rico' stuff.

IrishTrajan · 15-07-2015 02:58PM

end of the road wrote: »

laws brought in by a democratic government voted in by the people, verses laws brought in by a military junta who forced their way into power? no ****ing contest

Morsi was trying to become a tin-pot dictator and the military removed him to ensure democracy... And Egypt's military isn't even in power any more, Sisi took over back in 2012.

Timberrrrrrrr · 15-07-2015 03:01PM

Noblong wrote: »

Can we not just declare these tor networks a millitary tech and bring in a heafty 10 years for those caught using it along with bit coins. We need a deterant ourselves along with every other country.

So people shouldn't have the right to privacy? What next? Ban all encryption?

IrishTrajan · 15-07-2015 03:02PM

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

So people shouldn't have the right to privacy? What next? Ban all encryption?

Isn't Cameron trying to bring that into legislation in the UK?

Good-bye, online banking, hello massive banking fraud.

Smiles35 · 15-07-2015 03:04PM

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

So people shouldn't have the right to privacy? What next? Ban all encryption?

With the bit-coins then.

Smiles35 · 15-07-2015 03:11PM

IrishTrajan wrote: »

Isn't Cameron trying to bring that into legislation in the UK?

Good-bye, online banking, hello massive banking fraud.

A load of solictors and quangos waiting for cash no doubt.

The US Think They Can Extradite Gary Davis

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