The US Think They Can Extradite Gary Davis

darkpagandeath · 15-07-2015 12:42PM

What's with the recent "I'M Irish" so I can break the law and get away with it ?

Menas · 15-07-2015 12:43PM

IrishTrajan wrote: »

I don't even know if you're being ironic. Allowing the transition of men/material does not constitute a breach of neutrality.

Course it does. We helped facilitate the war by allowing US troops and equipment use our territory. So we showed favor to one side over the other by assisting them. We were thus not neutral to both sides of this war.
Throw Shannon been used for rendition too and its a no brainer IMO.

IrishTrajan · 15-07-2015 12:43PM

Saipanne wrote: »

Like holding a conference for paedophiles to network.

Fair play to him.

I would be unsure whether this man had anything to do with that part of the site, though. You can't charge him with a crime he didn't commit just because he's affiliated with someone who did commit it.

darkpagandeath · 15-07-2015 12:45PM

Menas wrote: »

Course it does. We helped facilitate the war by allowing US troops and equipment use our territory. So we showed favor to one side over the other by assisting them. We were thus not neutral to both sides of this war.
Throw Shannon been used for rendition too and its a no brainer IMO.

Proof ?

IrishTrajan · 15-07-2015 12:47PM

Menas wrote: »

Course it does. We helped facilitate the war by allowing US troops and equipment use our territory. So we showed favor to one side over the other by assisting them. We were thus not neutral to both sides of this war.
Throw Shannon been used for rendition too and its a no brainer IMO.

I'm sorry, but that is not how that works. If it did, every scholar and historian would consider Sweden an Axis power during the Second World War rather than neutral.

TheLastMohican · 15-07-2015 12:47PM

Tangatagamadda Chaddabinga Bonga Bungo wrote: »

Has he ever even been to the US? If he committed a crime here he should be prosecuted here, here isn't there and there isn't here so there!

HERE THERE? HEAR HEAR!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UYQ1DSotWLg

darkpagandeath · 15-07-2015 12:48PM

IrishTrajan wrote: »

I'm sorry, but that is not how that works. If it did, every scholar and historian would consider Sweden an Axis power during the Second World War rather than neutral.

Ireland is not a Neutral country, Never has been Never will be.

Menas · 15-07-2015 12:50PM

darkpagandeath wrote: »

Proof ?

Open society 2014 report in to CIA torture and secret detention, for eg, lists ireland as one of 54 country that aided rendition.
Dont believe it if you dont want to...but it is good enough for me.

Menas · 15-07-2015 12:52PM

IrishTrajan wrote: »

I'm sorry, but that is not how that works. If it did, every scholar and historian would consider Sweden an Axis power during the Second World War rather than neutral.

Then so be it. But if you assist one side over another in a war then you are not neutral.

darkpagandeath · 15-07-2015 12:52PM

Menas wrote: »

Open society 2014 report in to CIA torture and secret detention, for eg, lists ireland as one of 54 country that aided rendition.
Dont believe it if you dont want to...but it is good enough for me.

I see. So No evidence at all then.

Menas · 15-07-2015 12:54PM

darkpagandeath wrote: »

I see. So No evidence at all then.

I must admit that I was not on a plane, and did not take photos, when a rendition act was carried out on irish soil.
That what you are looking for?

darkpagandeath · 15-07-2015 12:55PM

Menas wrote: »

I must admit that I was not on a plane, and did not take photos, when a rendition act was carried out on irish soil.
That what you are looking for?

No just more than "oh look that plan has in the past" has done renditions. So it must only do them.

IrishTrajan · 15-07-2015 12:58PM

Menas wrote: »

Then so be it. But if you assist one side over another in a war then you are not neutral.

If we actively supported one side, yes. But we didn't. US flights had transited through Shannon before it, the only difference is that we waived our requirements that they not be carrying arms (and that didn't need approval, since our neutrality is a Government policy, not legally binding).

darkpagandeath · 15-07-2015 01:02PM

IrishTrajan wrote: »

If we actively supported one side, yes. But we didn't. US flights had transited through Shannon before it, the only difference is that we waived our requirements that they not be carrying arms (and that didn't need approval, since our neutrality is a Government policy, not legally binding).

Ireland is not Neutral. Just saying it is does not make it so. Ireland has never ever ever been Neutral.

15-07-2015 01:04PM

What's the issue with neutrality?

This will not be a decision for our Government, but one for our Courts. The matter will be decided by the law on extradition, not the needs of Shannon Airport. As I said before, we have resisted US applications in the past for people they accuse of serious terrorism. Anyone who does the "oh, the US at it again, if they want him he will go" clearly doesn't know the first thing about our record on extraditions.

nxbyveromdwjpg · 15-07-2015 01:07PM

topper75 wrote: »

Assisting child porn facilitators to evade justice? There are many potential adjectives. "Ballsy" doesn't make the list.

You're seriously misinformed or obsessed with child porn/hysteria.

No part of what this guy is accused of had anything to do with CP.

darkpagandeath · 15-07-2015 01:11PM

I fail to see why they brought up any of his mental problems. You can't send him to jail because he may do something ??? Sure everyone could say that.

OneOfThem · 15-07-2015 01:19PM

The Honey Monster wrote: »

He was allegedly an admin of The Silk Road...distributors of drugs, child porn, weapons, assassinations, stolen credit cards etc?

Tell me again how serving life in jail would be a harsh sentence?

Lemsiper wrote: »

To be fair, child porn was always forbidden on the original Silk Road.

The weaponry section was also closed early on.

Exactly, one of his main functions as a moderator would have been responding to flagged/reported ads for child porn, weapons, assassinations, stolen credit cards, and informing the admins so that they were removed and the vendors banned.

AlekSmart · 15-07-2015 01:23PM

johnc77 wrote: »

Because he has autism he should be prosecuted in Irish courts. Also the servers were not in the US. What gives the US the right to prosecute?

Good job I read the article....

The gent concerned is having his case heard in an Open Irish Court,with full legal representation.

Therefore it will be a judgement under Irish law that decides if he is to be extradited.

I'm quite sure that Mr Davis's lagal team will put forward the most robust case imaginable against his extradition.

Where exactly is the issue with this ?

darkpagandeath · 15-07-2015 01:24PM

OneOfThem wrote: »

Exactly, one of his main functions as a moderator would have been responding to flagged/reported ads for child porn, weapons, assassinations, stolen credit cards, and informing the admins so that they were removed and the vendors banned.

Really so he would have not reported This illegal activity to the police ? Would that not make one an accessory ?

YFlyer · 15-07-2015 01:25PM

corner of hells wrote: »

Steve Davis , ok

Ray Davis , ok

Derek Davis , ok

Gary Davis ?

Fred Davis?

OneOfThem · 15-07-2015 01:28PM

darkpagandeath wrote: »

Really so he would have not reported This illegal activity to the police ? Would that not make one an accessory ?

I'll consult the legal team I have on retainer and get back to you.

Not a clue man.

Just addressing the misconception that SR facilitated the trading of the things mentioned. They actively removed them.

walkingshadow · 15-07-2015 01:36PM

Extradite that scumbag and let him face the justice he deserves.

Timberrrrrrrr · 15-07-2015 01:42PM

walkingshadow wrote: »

Extradite that scumbag and let him face the justice he deserves.

When America is unwilling to extradite people for murder?

YFlyer · 15-07-2015 01:44PM

Captain Chaos wrote: »

News flash, we are not neutral. We don't declare ourselves to be neutral either. We conduct peace keeping missions on behalf of the UN are we are part of the Northern EU battle group when called upon.

A neutral country must have the capacity to defend it's self from the land, sea and air. We don't have that capability at all. We have to rely on others for air defence as we can't even detect aircraft flying in our airspace with no transponders.

The US military can fly around us all they want and we would have no idea unless the UK tells us as their military radars can see all over Ireland out past the wet coast. They have tell us that there are Russian bombers 12 miles off Sligo.

If I knew that those bombers were off the coast of Sligo.

darkpagandeath · 15-07-2015 01:48PM

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

When America is unwilling to extradite people for murder?

If the Americans are willing to pay his stay in jail why is one complaining ? Would you rather we pay from him in jail here for some reason ?

end of the road · 15-07-2015 02:18PM

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

and he's not charged with that, but he is charged with:

His autism didn't stop him from running the site, why should it prevent him for being tried?

because his trial has no legitimacy. the crime was commited in ireland. the US and their illegitimate trials of people for commiting crimes in their own country that have nothing to do with america must be stopped by not giving the US what it wants in having these people extradited.

end of the road · 15-07-2015 02:19PM

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

but they do with the newer banking laws, if any of those transactions went through the US they claim jurisdiction.

well what the US claim and what is reality are to different things. they have no jurisdiction

darkpagandeath · 15-07-2015 02:20PM

end of the road wrote: »

because his trial has no legitimacy. the crime was commited in ireland. the US and their illegitimate trials of people for commiting crimes in their own country that have nothing to do with america must be stopped by not giving the US what it wants in having these people extradited.

Ok so he should be in Jail here. What's the difference why not let the Americans pay for his stay in jail in America ?

Timberrrrrrrr · 15-07-2015 02:20PM

darkpagandeath wrote: »

If the Americans are willing to pay his stay in jail why is one complaining ? Would you rather we pay from him in jail here for some reason ?

Is he in jail? Should America demand people get extradited (for crimes not committed there) yet refuse to extradite Americans (or even non Americans) for murder?

The US Think They Can Extradite Gary Davis

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