Dress codes

Boring username · 14-07-2015 11:51AM #1

A new pub and restaurant in Co. Kerry caused something of a stir recently when they announced that tracksuits were banned from the establishment. Naturally, some people were outraged over the policy.

http://www.independent.ie/regionals/kerryman/news/outrage-over-bars-antitracksuit-dress-code-31325246.html

Personally, I don't have a problem with this. Tracksuits are usually an indicator of someone with a, how shall I put this, limited cultural outlook. If a business is trying to attract a more upmarket clientèle then it is only fair that they request their customers to make an effort with personal grooming and dress.

Your opinions please.

jimgoose · 14-07-2015 11:56AM

I don't have a problem with this kind of thing. Their game, their rules.

kylith · 14-07-2015 11:57AM

I thought it was illegal to refuse entry based on what someone's wearing. AFAIK it's totally ok to refuse to let them in but if you say "I'm not letting you in because you're wearing a tracksuit" then you can sue.

Captain Chaos · 14-07-2015 12:00PM

kylith wrote: »

I thought it was illegal to refuse entry based on what someone's wearing. AFAIK it's totally ok to refuse to let them in but if you say "I'm not letting you in because you're wearing a tracksuit" then you can sue.

Tell that to Lewis Hamilton who got refused from Wimbeldon because he did not meet the dress code.

I have been refused many times in the past and given reasons like runners ect. I came back with shoes and was let in.

lazybones32 · 14-07-2015 12:06PM

They won't be getting my custom. Not 'cos I'm an ardent tracksuit wearer but because I disagree with dress-codes for public establishments.

dodzy · 14-07-2015 12:07PM

They are dead right. Definitely brings down the tone of a place, particularly a nice shiny new pad that they have spent a small fortune on.

Let's face it, they just want to keep the scrotes out, and unfortunately for the decent portion of society who are comfortable in a tracksuit and are quite capable of going into an establishment, having some grub and drinks, enjoying themselves and then heading off, the other shower just make pigs of themselves and cause trouble. Harsh reality, so a blanket ban on said attire is a prudent move IMO.

hairycakes · 14-07-2015 12:08PM

I've seen it happen plenty of times with guys being refused because they are wearing runners/hoodies etc and being given that specific reason. If they have a dress code set out, I imagine they couldn't be sued.

I don't see the big deal. If you can't be bothered to dress up to meet the code, just find somewhere that will accept trackies. My OH practically lives in tracksuits, hoodies, runners (bit of a fitness freak) in his spare time but if he is heading out for drinks or a meal, he will always get dressed up.

ThisRegard · 14-07-2015 12:08PM

lazybones32 wrote: »

They won't be getting my custom. Not 'cos I'm an ardent tracksuit wearer but because I disagree with dress-codes for public establishments.

Despite it being called a public house, it's a private establishment.

P. Breathnach · 14-07-2015 12:08PM

Their pub, their rules.

I suspect that the outrage is largely contrived, but it's an easy way for a journalist to fill a few column inches.

AnonoBoy · 14-07-2015 12:12PM

kylith wrote: »

I thought it was illegal to refuse entry based on what someone's wearing. AFAIK it's totally ok to refuse to let them in but if you say "I'm not letting you in because you're wearing a tracksuit" then you can sue.

I don't think that's true.

Refusal on the grounds of age, race, gender etc. etc. is discrimination. Don't think refusal because someone is wearing something shabby falls into that.

Plenty of pubs in Dublin have 'No tracksuits' or 'Neat Dress Essential' signs up.

theteal · 14-07-2015 12:14PM

In fairness, there should be a ban on tracksuits in public places if not accompanied by a bag containing sporting equipment!

callaway92 · 14-07-2015 12:19PM

As others have said, their pub, their rules.

We'd often to go the pub in tracksuits though if we are only going to watch football during the week for a couple of hours so can see why some would feel hard done by.

kfallon · 14-07-2015 12:20PM

AvB will be along shortly with some tips on the appropriate 'attire' for eating out in!

suicide_circus · 14-07-2015 12:23PM

kylith wrote: »

I thought it was illegal to refuse entry based on what someone's wearing. AFAIK it's totally ok to refuse to let them in but if you say "I'm not letting you in because you're wearing a tracksuit" then you can sue.

Nonsense.

I recall being told "not in those shoes" more than once.

Menas · 14-07-2015 12:40PM

Its ok to wear my Pajamas to this pub - right?

NachoBusiness · 14-07-2015 12:49PM

Bet you if OJ Simpson turned up in a tracksuit, they'd have no problem letting him in.
Bet you if Michael Vick turned up in a tracksuit, they'd have no problem letting him in.
Bet you if Ched Evans turned up in a tracksuit, they'd have no problem letting him in.
Bet you if Lance Armstrong turned up in a tracksuit, they'd have no problem letting him in.
Bet you if Jimmy Saville turned up in a tracksuit, they'd have no problem letting him in.

Bet you if Mr.Motivator turned up in a tracksuit, they'd have no problem letting him in.

DEFTLEFTHAND · 14-07-2015 01:05PM

Hopefully bootcut jeans are still ok.

kylith · 14-07-2015 01:10PM

Captain Chaos wrote: »

Tell that to Lewis Hamilton who got refused from Wimbeldon because he did not meet the dress code.

I have been refused many times in the past and given reasons like runners ect. I came back with shoes and was let in.

Wimbeldon is neither a pub, nor in Ireland, so the laws would be different.

AnonoBoy wrote: »

I don't think that's true.

Refusal on the grounds of age, race, gender etc. etc. is discrimination. Don't think refusal because someone is wearing something shabby falls into that.

Plenty of pubs in Dublin have 'No tracksuits' or 'Neat Dress Essential' signs up.

Perhaps that's it and I'm misremembering.

Steppenwolfe · 14-07-2015 01:25PM

I don't have a problem with it myself. If a restaurant, hotel or pub has a dress code I'm not comfortable with I'll go elsewhere. I would never wear a tracksuit to any of those establishments anyway. However, I don't like wearing a suit and tie and only dress like that when absolutely neccessary. If an establishment requires me to wear a suit/tie I'd just avoid it and go somewhere with a less formal dress code.

rubadub · 14-07-2015 01:32PM

kylith wrote: »

I thought it was illegal to refuse entry based on what someone's wearing.

Not at all, when I was first drinking it was very common to be refused for runners, tracksuits would have been out of the question. I was refused for having a shaved head, just a blade 3 or 4, which is very common now.

These days I go into the odd pub in tracksuit bottoms now, I never plan to, I would be out cycling and get a text, or otherwise caught out. I would still be quite sheepish going into some pubs in it, and its not a flashy shell suit, and would have the same top I might wear with jeans.

Kids have it easy these days, put on a traveller accent and they would let you into the vaults of a bank for fear of being branded prejudiced.

Boring username · 14-07-2015 01:33PM

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

Hopefully bootcut jeans are still ok.

You've opened a can of worms now, boyo......

walkingshadow · 14-07-2015 01:36PM

The only dress code that should ever be enforced is the no shirts allowed rule for hot chicks.

Mahou · 14-07-2015 01:45PM

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

Hopefully bootcut jeans are still ok.

They haven´t arrived to Kerry yet.

darkpagandeath · 14-07-2015 01:56PM

Why would you want to sit in that place surrounded by hipsters ?

The Adversary · 14-07-2015 02:01PM

Pettiness. How about businesses have a "common sense code" rather than a "dress code"? Leave an ordinary person in if they feel most comfortable in a pair of tracksuit bottoms but if a scumbag with full luminous addidas and socks tucked into airmax refuse entry.

ohnonotgmail · 14-07-2015 02:09PM

kylith wrote: »

I thought it was illegal to refuse entry based on what someone's wearing. AFAIK it's totally ok to refuse to let them in but if you say "I'm not letting you in because you're wearing a tracksuit" then you can sue.

not true. discrimination is totally ok once it is not based on one of the protected groups. Sportswear enthusiasts are not a protected group.

darkpagandeath · 14-07-2015 02:11PM

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

not true. discrimination is totally ok once it is not based on one of the protected groups. Sportswear enthusiasts are not a protected group.

Ha, I love the way protected groups can discriminate on top of that, Refuse you as you are not a member of the protected group. It's like having one's cake and eating it.

ohnonotgmail · 14-07-2015 02:14PM

darkpagandeath wrote: »

Ha, I love the way protected groups can discriminated on top of that as you are not a member of the protected group. It's like having one's cake and eating it.

i think you are missing a couple of words from that post. care to rephrase?

Talib Fiasco · 14-07-2015 02:15PM

They won't be in business for long if they don't allow people in tracksuits to enter, in Tralee of all places.

lizzyman · 14-07-2015 02:56PM

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

not true. discrimination is totally ok once it is not based on one of the protected groups. Sportswear enthusiasts are not a protected group.

What about this line from their website:

"YOU MUST BE OVER 23 TO BE SERVED!"

Surely that can't be enforced, let alone be legal?

Re the dress code, personally I'd go a step further and ban any and all ripped jeans, tshirts and runners.

darkpagandeath · 14-07-2015 03:02PM

lizzyman wrote: »

What about this line from their website:

"YOU MUST BE OVER 23 TO BE SERVED!"

Surely that can't be enforced, let alone be legal?

Re the dress code, personally I'd go a step further and ban any and all ripped jeans, tshirts and runners.

They cannot rewrite the law so no they will not be refusing alcohol to under 23's

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