Summer 2015 Transfer Window General Discussion

12-07-2015 12:30AM

Baldy Conscience wrote: »

Is there now question as to whether the starting Italy RB, and a guy who's made the Serie A Team of the Season 2 seasons running is one of the best in the world in his position?

Are people saying that that player, whoever it is, shouldn't be counted as one of the best in his position in the world?

Anyone saying that has a pretty weird agenda.

Cause that kind of logic always works

Neamhshuntasach · 12-07-2015 12:30AM

Rayne Wooney wrote: »

Amongst all the chatter United signing one of the best right backs in the world was almost forgotten

Instantly one of the best right backs in the league

I've watched nearly all of Torino's games for the past 2 seasons as my Italian house mate supports them. He's good but i think you're placing him on a level higher than he'll be able to deliver. Even though he was in the team of the year. He regressed last year from the season before in my opinion.

Lovely Bloke · 12-07-2015 12:33AM

MightyMandarin wrote: »

I'll take one for the team and say that he isn't.

I don't watch Serie A a whole lot but it's certainly improving although just because Juve reached the CL final does not mean it's above the PL and Bundesliga imo.

Italy are also far from as good as they were. All things aside they've failed to get out of the group stages the past 2 WC's, and the fact that aging players continue to start somewhat indicates that their young players aren't up to standard.

Also, if you think that just because he starts for Italy he must be good, then what about Abate who used to start for them? Surely he must've been an amazing player, right? or maybe he's just an average player in a mid-table SerieA side, just like Darmian.

Right Back is a problem position in the world at the moment, so yeah, anyone starting for Italy in that position is probably good enough to be called one of the best in the world in the position.

I'd like to see a, say, top twenty RBs in the world list, on which Darmian doesn't feature.

MightyMandarin · 12-07-2015 12:42AM

Baldy Conscience wrote: »

Right Back is a problem position in the world at the moment, so yeah, anyone starting for Italy in that position is probably good enough to be called one of the best in the world in the position.

I'd like to see a, say, top twenty RBs in the world list, on which Darmian doesn't feature.

Being in the top20 RB's does not make you 'world class'. That term is bandied about far too often, and this case is the prime example.

And as I've shown before, starting for Italy means f*ck all; are you prepared to say Balotelli is 'world class' because he was Italy's talisman at Euro2012?:pac:

I think you just need to wait and see with this player.

Lovely Bloke · 12-07-2015 12:50AM

never used the term. was careful not to, that's you putting words in my posts.

But being in the top 20 in any position does make you one of the best in that position in the world

ERG89 · 12-07-2015 12:52AM

Neamhshuntasach wrote: »

I've watched nearly all of Torino's games for the past 2 seasons as my Italian house mate supports them. He's good but i think you're placing him on a level higher than he'll be able to deliver. Even though he was in the team of the year. He regressed last year from the season before in my opinion.

Wasn't Bruno Peres their right back most of last season? Saw Darmian play in a back 3 a few times which wasn't pretty.
Always remember that amazing goal Peres got vs. Juve.
Gutted that El Sharrawy is going to Monaco as a Milan fan

I'd take him fit over Bacca or Luiz Adriano so much potential when injury free.
Being linked with Ibrahimovic again too at 33 on big wages. I hope it doesn't happen tbh....he's far better than what we have but I'd rather blow a load of money on someone younger

MightyMandarin · 12-07-2015 01:02AM

Baldy Conscience wrote: »

never used the term. was careful not to, that's you putting words in my posts.

But being in the top 20 in any position does make you one of the best in that position in the world

Fine, but the general consensus from United fans here is that Darmian is an amazing player who is one of the top RB's in the world, simply because he starts for Italy and was in the Serie A TOTY. This notion is unbelievably ridiculous, but I can't say I'm surprised where it's coming from tbh.

Yes, and so does being in the top50 and the top100 and top500. How far back do you go when classing someone as 'one of the best in that position in the world'? If it's for one single position then it's probably top10 at a stretch, and Darmian is not in that group.

Smithwicks Man · 12-07-2015 02:10AM

ERG89 wrote: »

Wasn't Bruno Peres their right back most of last season? Saw Darmian play in a back 3 a few times which wasn't pretty.
Always remember that amazing goal Peres got vs. Juve.
Gutted that El Sharrawy is going to Monaco as a Milan fan
I'd take him fit over Bacca or Luiz Adriano so much potential when injury free.
Being linked with Ibrahimovic again too at 33 on big wages. I hope it doesn't happen tbh....he's far better than what we have but I'd rather blow a load of money on someone younger

Can definitely see Ibrahimovic to Milan happening, he's been courted for too long.

Milan go all out to sign him and he's already said before he really likes Milan and would play for them again.

Strange to focus on the attack when the defence is the real problem, although Ibrahimovic in the hole behind Carlos Bacca and Luiz Adriano is a lethal front 3.

12-07-2015 03:47AM

yabadabado wrote: »

Is he ?

I don't think I saw anyone mention that,do you think he is?

No, but when you put two strings together and analyse what he did last season it's abc

yabadabado · 12-07-2015 05:06AM

rarnes1 wrote: »

No, but when you put two strings together and analyse what he did last season it's abc

Can you elaborate on this ?

ERG89 · 12-07-2015 05:12AM

Smithwicks Man wrote: »

Strange to focus on the attack when the defence is the real problem, although Ibrahimovic in the hole behind Carlos Bacca and Luiz Adriano is a lethal front 3.

Mexes signed a new deal this week....:mad:

Oranage2 · 12-07-2015 05:27AM

United going for the shotgun approach, throw enough paint at the wall and hopefully something sticks.

31m for depay
14m for the Italian rightback
unknown number probably around 25m for bastian

A lot of money but their fans will be Happy, out spending their rivals should nearly guarantee united top 4 now.

Giggsy11 · 12-07-2015 06:04AM

Oranage2 wrote: »

United going for the shotgun approach, throw enough paint at the wall and hopefully something sticks.

31m for depay
14m for the Italian rightback
unknown number probably around 25m for bastian

A lot of money but their fans will be Happy, out spending their rivals should nearly guarantee united top 4 now.

Nice try, but as usual failed post from you. There is at least something that Manutd and Liverpool fans agree with.

In this window ManUtd have signed 3 players. Depay, Darmian, Schweinsteiger. There is nothing shot gun approach here.

Depay was signed for 22 Million including add ons. Darmian for 14 Milllion, Schweinsteiger for 12-13 Million. So in total ManUtd have spent just 40-48 Million (with and without add ons). How is that outspending rivals?

Also Falcao, RVP and Nani are off the wage bill. Total wages of all 3 is almost close to what Falcao was paid. Schweinsteiger deal is no strange than Cech deal.

Edit: Unknown number but around 25 Million for Bastian. Mirror, Metro journos would be proud of that guess work. It's like I don't the number, just me pull some number out of my ... well..

yabadabado · 12-07-2015 06:22AM

United have signed 3 players who instantly improve the starting 11.Shotgun approach :rolleyes:

Giggsy11 · 12-07-2015 06:25AM

yabadabado wrote: »

United have signed 3 players who instantly improve the starting 11.Shotgun approach :rolleyes:

Also both are young enough players and other one is 3 years younger than their only signing (I think 2 and half, but who cares)

Oranage2 · 12-07-2015 06:34AM

Giggsy11 wrote: »

Nice try, but as usual failed post from you. There is at least something that Manutd and Liverpool fans agree with.

In this window ManUtd have signed 3 players. Depay, Darmian, Schweinsteiger. There is nothing shot gun approach here.

Depay was signed for 22 Million including add ons. Darmian for 14 Milllion, Schweinsteiger for 12-13 Million. So in total ManUtd have spent just 40-48 Million (with and without add ons). How is that outspending rivals?

Also Falcao, RVP and Nani are off the wage bill. Total wages of all 3 is almost close to what Falcao was paid. Schweinsteiger deal is no strange than Cech deal.

Edit: Unknown number but around 25 Million for Bastian. Mirror, Metro journos would be proud of that guess work. It's like I don't the number, just me pull some number out of my ... well..

bbc says 31m for depay.

and fellani, mata, hererra, di Maria and now bastian. that's about 150 million excluding whatever number you want to make up for the German, that's certainly a shotgun approach.

Giggsy11 · 12-07-2015 06:41AM

Oranage2 wrote: »

bbc says 31m for depay.

and fellani, mata, hererra, di Maria and now bastian. that's about 150 million excluding whatever number you want to make up for the German, that's certainly a shotgun approach.

And the person who broke the story was 100% sure it was 31 Million Euros with add ons. I know whom to believe when whole english media didn't have a clue about the transfer.

What's the point of naming players for the sake of it. Fellaini and Mata were signed 2 seasons ago, Di Maria and Herrera last season.

Also none of them even play same role as Bastian except Herrera.

It's like saying Arsenal had the same approach with signing players like Welbeck, Sanchez, Ozil, Carzola, Flamini.

Oranage2 · 12-07-2015 07:20AM

Giggsy11 wrote: »

And the person who broke the story was 100% sure it was 31 Million Euros with add ons. I know whom to believe when whole english media didn't have a clue about the transfer.

What's the point of naming players for the sake of it. Fellaini and Mata were signed 2 seasons ago, Di Maria and Herrera last season.

Also none of them even play same role as Bastian except Herrera.

It's like saying Arsenal had the same approach with signing players like Welbeck, Sanchez, Ozil, Carzola, Flamini.

Yes one a reputable global news station, the other a random guy on twitter. Easy.

But it doesn't matter what he cost I don't care. The point is united have and will out spend the likes of Liverpool and spurs but for some reason you are foolishly arguing against this.

And felleini was brought in to play midfield but lvg played him up front as part of his attacking ball into the box game plan.

Mata was brought in to play attacking midfield but lvg didn't play him half the season and then played him on the right.

Di Maria was also brought in to play in the middle but couldn't get on the pitch he was playing so badly.

So nothing like the arsenal players You've mentioned except ozil and cazorla.

pmasterson95 · 12-07-2015 07:23AM

rarnes1 wrote: »

Alonso >>>>Sweinsteiger

So predictable. Poor guy

pmasterson95 · 12-07-2015 07:33AM

I'm suprised rarnes hasnt announced Clyne better than Darmian.

Giggsy11 · 12-07-2015 07:56AM

Oranage2 wrote: »

Yes one a reputable global news station, the other a random guy on twitter. Easy.

But it doesn't matter what he cost I don't care. The point is united have and will out spend the likes of Liverpool and spurs but for some reason you are foolishly arguing against this.

How much we spend doesn't matter. As on July 12th, we haven't spent OTT.

And felleini was brought in to play midfield but lvg played him up front as part of his attacking ball into the box game plan.

Mata was brought in to play attacking midfield but lvg didn't play him half the season and then played him on the right.

Di Maria was also brought in to play in the middle but couldn't get on the pitch he was playing so badly.

So nothing like the arsenal players You've mentioned except ozil and cazorla.

So again posting just for the sake of it. First, you are assuming that they were bought for that role, especially Di Maria when Van Gaal said we need wingers like Di Maria to play 4-3-3.

2. It's idiotic to even compare them. All 3 play different roles and not even same position.

3. What previous manager planned with these players doesn't matter. For Van Gaal Fellaini was better fit behind striker, Mata as RW and Di Maria as LW. So your point about shot gun approach is just nonsense and you are naming players who were signed in last few years to just big up the number.

Even then, there is something called squad depth. Good to have that rather than moaning about injuries.

With Schweinsteiger, our midfield options are Schweinsteiger, Carrick, Herrera, Blind. Yeah scatter gun approach. I'm surprised you didn't mention Rojo, Falcao also.

Using you logic, Ozil was signed as AM but was played as winger, still signed Welbeck, Sanchez who play as wingers when you already had Walcott, Ox. Logic full of nonsense and assumptions.

Oranage2 · 12-07-2015 08:09AM

Giggsy11 wrote: »

How much we spend doesn't matter. As on July 12th, we haven't spent OTT.

So again posting just for the sake of it. First, you are assuming that they were bought for that role, especially Di Maria when Van Gaal said we need wingers like Di Maria to play 4-3-3.

2. It's idiotic to even compare them. All 3 play different roles and not even same position.

3. What previous manager planned with these players doesn't matter. For Van Gaal Fellaini was better fit behind striker, Mata as RW and Di Maria as LW. So your point about shot gun approach is just nonsense and you are naming players who were signed in last few years to just big up the number.

Even then, there is something called squad depth. Good to have that rather than moaning about injuries.

With Schweinsteiger, our midfield options are Schweinsteiger, Carrick, Herrera, Blind. Yeah scatter gun approach. I'm surprised you didn't mention Rojo, Falcao also.

Using you logic, Ozil was signed as AM but was played as winger, still signed Welbeck, Sanchez who play as wingers when you already had Walcott, Ox. Logic full of nonsense and assumptions.

When has lvg ever said he needs wingerr like di maria?

Unless it was a private conversation with yourself I doubt he said.

Also di Maria came from a champions league winning team and team of the year playing as a midfielder, a position every united fan will agree is his best position and the position he played mostly all season for united except for a game or two up front. Please stop embarrassing yourself.

It's good to have squad depth but united over the past three seasons have thrown money at midfielders in the hope some would be good and now it looks like A lot of those pre lvg midfielders are out of favour.

Giggsy11 · 12-07-2015 08:30AM

Oranage2 wrote: »

When has lvg ever said he needs wingerr like di maria?

Unless it was a private conversation with yourself I doubt he said.

Yes, it was private conversation between Van Gaal and whole media.

Van Gaal wrote:

"Or, I should say, we don't have wingers of the highest level, like Ronaldo or Di Maria or somebody like that. So, I have to play in another way – and you have seen that already. I only buy when I think we need to buy – in the position that is necessary."

http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/12040/9415387/transfer-news-louis-van-gaal-hails-angel-di-maria-as-he-hints-at-signing-a-winger

Also di Maria came from a champions league winning team and team of the year playing as a midfielder, a position every united fan will agree is his best position and the position he played mostly all season for united except for a game or two up front. Please stop embarrassing yourself.

You don't have a clue. Di Maria played only few games there, after Leicester game it was either as winger or as striker. Around Christmas time ManUtd started with 4-1-4-1 formation, 1 was either Carrick or Blind, Mata and Young on wings and Herrera-Fellaini behind striker. Easy to see who is embarrassing themselves by posting something they don't clue about.

It's good to have squad depth but united over the past three seasons have thrown money at midfielders in the hope some would be good and now it looks like A lot of those pre lvg midfielders are out of favour.

If you consider DM and AM are same, then yes we have signed many midfielders. I'm sure you are also thinking ManUtd signed Darmian when they have Smalling, Jones, Rojo, Evans for that position.

Pre Van Gaal we didnt have midfield except Carrick.

Edit: Even is we assume Di Maria's best position is as a midfielder based on his 6 months spell then it's not as #6 and #8, the role Schweinsteiger will be player, it will be as a advanced midfielder in midfield 3 and nothing to do with other signings we made at all. All other midfielders are #6 or #8.

12-07-2015 08:48AM

pmasterson95 wrote: »

I'm suprised rarnes hasnt announced Clyne better than Darmian.

Strange.

No, I won't pretend I know much about Darmian. Odds on 95% of people are in the same boat

DM_7 · 12-07-2015 09:07AM

Oranage2 wrote: »

When has lvg ever said he needs wingerr like di maria?

Unless it was a private conversation with yourself I doubt he said.

Also di Maria came from a champions league winning team and team of the year playing as a midfielder, a position every united fan will agree is his best position and the position he played mostly all season for united except for a game or two up front. Please stop embarrassing yourself.

If you are going to ask others to stop embarrassing themselves you might want to confirm your own thoughts are correct. You are wrong to have doubt about what Van Gaal said and wrong about where Di Maria was playing last season.

Getting into a discussion with a fan of a side you don't support about that club is risky as they will probably remember more than you about the club they follow

Oranage2 · 12-07-2015 09:35AM

DM_7 wrote: »

If you are going to ask others to stop embarrassing themselves you might want to confirm your own thoughts are correct. You are wrong to have doubt about what Van Gaal said and wrong about where Di Maria was playing last season.

Getting into a discussion with a fan of a side you don't support about that club is risky as they will probably remember more than you about the club they follow

I'll hold my hands up I was wrong about the di Maria stuff. Though subsequently right about out spending their rivals and over buying midfielders.

Can't win 'em all.

Giggsy11 · 12-07-2015 09:39AM

Oranage2 wrote: »

I'll hold my hands up I was wrong about the di Maria stuff. Though subsequently right about out spending their rivals and over buying midfielders.

Can't win 'em all.

As of today we haven't and club make money to spend and improve team. Not to keep money in the bank and brag about it or even fill owner pockets.

rob316 · 12-07-2015 10:22AM

Rayne Wooney wrote: »

Amongst all the chatter United signing one of the best right backs in the world was almost forgotten

Instantly one of the best right backs in the league

Lol I'll be surprised if you've seen him kick a ball before in your man united centric world.

inforfun · 12-07-2015 10:39AM

My pool duvet cover is nicer than your utd duvet cover.

klose · 12-07-2015 11:16AM

MrMac84 wrote: »

If we hold onto De Gea it'd be brilliant!! I know he'll move for free next year but too see Madrid with Egg on their faces would be outstanding!

If Madrid want de gea they will get him, Madrid always get who they want.

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