Rotherham taxi drivers go on strike against child protection CCTV plans

Egginacup · 08-07-2015 05:17PM

And what's to stop a taxi driver from turning off or sticking tape on the lense if he doesn't want to be filmed?

end of the road · 08-07-2015 05:19PM

Magico Gonzalez wrote: »

Perhaps Rotheram County Council should have a proper transfer service that didnt rely on taxi drivers.

A wider debate on public spending I suppose, but if you cant get proper service from the private sector then it should be in house.

well that would make sense. but at the end of the day all its about is getting it done on the cheep. thats why most privatizations were done in the UK, all though in most cases it has cost more.

end of the road · 08-07-2015 05:24PM

DeadHand wrote: »

No, they ****ed up because they were paralysed by political correctness.

An independent report found that this was so.

bull****. they ****ed up because they couldn't be bothered, and then used "i was afraid of being called racist blah blah blah" as an excuse because they have none. political correctness had nothing to do with it, i don't care what some report found. they failed to do their jobs because they failed.

rubadub · 08-07-2015 05:25PM

The Backwards Man wrote: »

CCTV is getting cheaper all the time, a decent two way system with night vision shouldn't cost much more than €100-€150.

That's someone buying their own. I wonder what this would cost the taximen as it would presumably have to be offical and checked etc. I expect installation & certifying an official taxi meter costs a lot more than what a similar piece of equipment would cost.

DeadHand · 08-07-2015 05:34PM

end of the road wrote: »

bull****. they ****ed up because they couldn't be bothered, and then used "i was afraid of being called racist blah blah blah" as an excuse because they have none. political correctness had nothing to do with it, i don't care what some report found. they failed to do their jobs because they failed.

You're getting excitable now.

I'll believe an independent, extensive report before your childlike arguments.

It's findings were a tad more nuanced than "blah blah blah... They failed because they failed".

end of the road · 08-07-2015 05:58PM

DeadHand wrote: »

You're getting excitable now.

I'll believe an independent, extensive report before your childlike arguments.

It's findings were a tad more nuanced than "blah blah blah... They failed because they failed".

i'm still right. no matter what you say. political correctness doesn't stop one from doing their job when it comes to protecting children if they care about protecting children

DeadHand · 08-07-2015 06:05PM

end of the road wrote: »

i'm still right. no matter what you say. political correctness doesn't stop one from doing their job when it comes to protecting children if they care about protecting children

The report compiled by various persons far more qualified to assess the situation than you are says otherwise.

So, you are not right. You are wrong.

ceadaoin. · 08-07-2015 06:25PM

DeadHand wrote: »

The report compiled by various persons far more qualified to assess the situation than you are says otherwise.

So, you are not right. You are wrong.

Not this again. The 'political correctness' aspect was one of many failings found in the report, it was not the sole reason cited. There were many other factors at play that led to the abuse continuing.

DeadHand · 08-07-2015 06:34PM

ceadaoin. wrote: »

Not this again. The 'political correctness' aspect was one of many failings found in the report, it was not the sole reason cited. There were many other factors at play that led to the abuse continuing.

Indeed, there were many factors involved; political correctness being the outstanding one.

It's wrong to deny it was a factor at all.

So, the poster was wrong.

ceadaoin. · 08-07-2015 06:50PM

DeadHand wrote: »

Indeed, there were many factors involved; political correctness being the outstanding one.

It's wrong to deny it was a factor at all.

So, the poster was wrong.

I don't remember the report finding it was the outstanding factor? I'd imagine if the girls were seen as worth the effort in the first place then it wouldn't have been a factor at all.

It just seems a bit convenient that it was used as an excuse when organised abuse of vulnerable children has been happening for decades with nothing done about it. But suddenly in Rotherham it's all because they didn't want to be seen as racist?

steddyeddy · 08-07-2015 07:00PM

Zamboni wrote: »

No brainer investment for a taxi driver to get a competitive advantage and install one.

This. Eventually young girls would stop using the cabs without cameras.

frostyjacks · 08-07-2015 07:05PM

Why would girls even use them now without the cameras, after everything that's come to light? I wouldn't feel safe at all in their position.

DeadHand · 08-07-2015 07:08PM

ceadaoin. wrote: »

I don't remember the report finding it was the outstanding factor? I'd imagine if the girls were seen as worth the effort in the first place then it wouldn't have been a factor at all.

It just seems a bit convenient that it was used as an excuse when organised abuse of vulnerable children has been happening for decades with nothing done about it. But suddenly in Rotherham it's all because they didn't want to be seen as racist?

Most outstanding as in most controversial.

Class and race were also issues here as the victims that were targetted by these Muslim rape gangs were overwhelmingly working class indigenous girls. Had they been middle class and/or of a minority grouping the authorities would have moved much more swiftly.

Not convenient or even surprising to me that a country like the UK which probably has the most politically correct institutions in the world would eventually produce a case of institutions failing in their most basic duties because of, among other things, political correctness.

Anyways, cctvs for taxis? Excellent idea.

end of the road · 08-07-2015 07:24PM

DeadHand wrote: »

The report compiled by various persons far more qualified to assess the situation than you are says otherwise.

So, you are not right. You are wrong.

i am not wrong, i am right

end of the road · 08-07-2015 07:25PM

ceadaoin. wrote: »

I don't remember the report finding it was the outstanding factor? I'd imagine if the girls were seen as worth the effort in the first place then it wouldn't have been a factor at all.

It just seems a bit convenient that it was used as an excuse when organised abuse of vulnerable children has been happening for decades with nothing done about it. But suddenly in Rotherham it's all because they didn't want to be seen as racist?

exactly. it was just a convenient excuse. such an excuse will get sympathy from people like deadhand.

end of the road · 08-07-2015 07:29PM

DeadHand wrote: »

Most outstanding as in most controversial.

Class and race were also issues here as the victims that were targetted by these Muslim rape gangs were overwhelmingly working class indigenous girls. Had they been middle class and/or of a minority grouping the authorities would have moved much more swiftly.

Not convenient or even surprising to me that a country like the UK which probably has the most politically correct institutions in the world would eventually produce a case of institutions failing in their most basic duties because of, among other things, political correctness.

Anyways, cctvs for taxis? Excellent idea.

no . political correctness was just a convenient excuse to get sympathy from people like yourself. the real reason was they couldn't be bothered with the headache of helping these children.

DeadHand · 08-07-2015 07:33PM

end of the road wrote: »

no . political correctness was just a convenient excuse to get sympathy from people like yourself. the real reason was they couldn't be bothered with the headache of helping these children.

No, you're wrong.

My position is supported by a full, expert, independent report.

Yours is based on nothing.

Nodin · 08-07-2015 08:18PM

frostyjacks wrote: »

Why would girls even use them now without the cameras, after everything that's come to light? I wouldn't feel safe at all in their position.

Why not?

Electric Sheep · 08-07-2015 08:37PM

DeadHand wrote: »

Most outstanding as in most controversial.

Class and race were also issues here as the victims that were targetted by these Muslim rape gangs were overwhelmingly working class indigenous girls. Had they been middle class and/or of a minority grouping the authorities would have moved much more swiftly.

Not convenient or even surprising to me that a country like the UK which probably has the most politically correct institutions in the world would eventually produce a case of institutions failing in their most basic duties because of, among other things, political correctness.

Anyways, cctvs for taxis? Excellent idea.

Indeed. Most of the girls were in care - the "bottom of the barrel" who have always been the most vulnerable and easiest to exploit, from long before the days of Jimmy Saville to today.

end of the road · 08-07-2015 08:59PM

DeadHand wrote: »

No, you're wrong.

My position is supported by a full, expert, independent report.

Yours is based on nothing.

i'm right. the report was always going to take their excuses into account to effectively shut them up. still doesn't change the fact political correctness had nothing to do with the failings, but the backgrounds of these children. the authorities couldn't be bothered helping these children because of their background and it would have meant them having to do some work

DeadHand · 08-07-2015 09:05PM

end of the road wrote: »

i'm right. the report was always going to take their excuses into account to effectively shut them up. still doesn't change the fact political correctness had nothing to do with the failings, but the backgrounds of these children. the authorities couldn't be bothered helping these children because of their background and it would have meant them having to do some work

No, you're wrong.

It was an independent inquiry with absolutely no interest in saving anyone's job.

They found that political correctness was a major factor in covering up the abuse. This is an established and documented fact.

Muckracker · 08-07-2015 09:28PM

end of the road wrote: »

i'm right. the report was always going to take their excuses into account to effectively shut them up. still doesn't change the fact political correctness had nothing to do with the failings, but the backgrounds of these children. the authorities couldn't be bothered helping these children because of their background and it would have meant them having to do some work

The woman who raised the alarm about the 'Asian' (pc for Pakistani) pedos was sent on a diversity training course and told never to repeat what she had uncovered.

That's what political correctness does to a society. Brits would rather their children were gang raped than run the risk of being accused of racism.

Alexis Sanchez · 08-07-2015 09:31PM

Muckracker wrote: »

Brits would rather their children were gang raped than run the risk of being accused of racism.

Not all of them - just the multicultural lefties, as long as it's not their kids.

Muckracker · 08-07-2015 09:32PM

Alexis Sanchez wrote: »

Not all of them - just the multicultural lefties, as long as it's not their kids.

Yeah! The ones who live the safe affluent areas.

RDM_83 again · 08-07-2015 09:47PM

ceadaoin. wrote: »

I don't remember the report finding it was the outstanding factor? I'd imagine if the girls were seen as worth the effort in the first place then it wouldn't have been a factor at all.

It just seems a bit convenient that it was used as an excuse when organised abuse of vulnerable children has been happening for decades with nothing done about it. But suddenly in Rotherham it's all because they didn't want to be seen as racist?

Generally when you see these organized abuses rings occurring and being "tolerated" its a group with privilege e.g Churchmen or Politicians.
If British Pakistani taxi drivers are a privileged group in English society I guess I've been reading every single socially conscious publication ever wrong

Personally I think that political correctness is a very useful term in this case, the motivation wasn't just to avoid racial profiling or other issues, it was also prevent the rise of Right Wing groups and to avoid offending one of the core Labour voting groups in the area avoiding this was "politically correct".

Personally while its going to be very little use for preventing these kinds of abuse if the costs aren't too high shouldn't taxi drivers welcome these camera's they will help prevent any false allegations at a time when they are perceived with distrust (I know some taxi drivers already use camera and was told by one that he had one but he removed it as the customers didn't like it)

Enjoy Heroin Responsibly · 08-07-2015 09:49PM

Zamboni wrote: »

No brainer investment for a taxi driver to get a competitive advantage and install one.

If this is the case why all the calls to make it mandatory ? Surely market forces will take care of it ?

end of the road · 08-07-2015 09:54PM

Muckracker wrote: »

The woman who raised the alarm about the 'Asian' (pc for Pakistani) pedos was sent on a diversity training course and told never to repeat what she had uncovered.

That's what political correctness does to a society. Brits would rather their children were gang raped than run the risk of being accused of racism.

no it was simply to shut her up so she wouldn't expose the hatred and contempt the authorities had for these children. political correctness is just a convenient excuse rather then simply accepting the fact the authorities just didn't care about these children. for what its worth i believe she should have told them to shove their divercity course and exposed it come what may.

ceadaoin. · 09-07-2015 08:59AM

Muckracker wrote: »

The woman who raised the alarm about the 'Asian' (pc for Pakistani) pedos was sent on a diversity training course and told never to repeat what she had uncovered.

That's what political correctness does to a society. Brits would rather their children were gang raped than run the risk of being accused of racism.

Two Rotherham councillors have been identified as suspects. I don't doubt that there were police officers and other officials also involved. Handy that they could use the racism card to shut down investigation and protect their cronies. Personally, I think that was the true motivation - using any method they could to protect their own who were obviously held in higher esteem than the actual victims.

Rotherham taxi drivers go on strike against child protection CCTV plans

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