Rotherham taxi drivers go on strike against child protection CCTV plans

Enjoy Heroin Responsibly

Laneyh wrote: »

If they all agreed to install it they could increase the fare to cover the cost of installation and maintenance.

Oh yes -Please take all my money :rolleyes:

Boring username

Egginacup wrote: »

If a taxi driver wants to install a security camera for his own safety he's free to do so. Your frothing at the mouth about how it should be mandatory may be your opinion but it's a crap opinion.

You hear the word child-abuse and commonsense just goes out the window. Cameras everywhere. Cameras in the toilet. Cameras in dressing rooms. Cameras in churches and libraries at every single fcuking point. Put a camera on every tree in every park. Listening devices on every lampost.

Anyone who objects is a pedo with something to hide. Later to be classified as "enemy of the state"

Did you read the links I provided where an unusually high number of Rotherham taxi drivers were convicted of sexual assaults?
I know you're probably trolling here as usual but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt on this one.

Pawwed Rig

Egginacup wrote: »

Have you even thought about what you just said?

So an abuser is going to abuse a victim on camera in his or someone's house? Or are you suggesting all houses be fitted with hidden cameras at construction time unbeknownst to the future owner?

My point was that where do you stop when you start to monitor the daily activities of people. We are already monitored to a scary level but some people seem to want to push it into every sphere of our lives. The logical conclusion is cameras in our homes. Sure if you haven't done anything wrong ya should have nothing to worry about.

Samaris

I would make two points to this, one pro, one against.

On the one hand, I'm aware of just how close to the line taxi-drivers live in terms of making enough profit to keep themselves going. It's a tight business, and even a couple of lost fares can really hurt. Paying out to have CCTV installed would be a kick in the nuts for a lot of people, and far worse for those who are absolutely innocent of all wrong-doing and just as appalled by it as everyone else.

Anyone convicted of being part of these awful crimes should be kicked out, or if their lives are threatened elsewhere and so Human Rights forbids it, stuck in prison and left to rot. They didn't think much of the Human Rights of those girls, but thems the rules.

Perhaps with some sort of sweetener as regards monetary aid towards getting all these CCTV cameras sorted, it could be doable, and if so, should be doable. It may be possible to ensure that they're on when the meter is running, so if those cars are used as private conveyance, the drivers aren't being constantly monitored in their normal lives. Anyone picking someone up without the meter running is up to something anyway, so that should be a huge warning sign.

CCTV in taxis would in the long run protect the drivers from people that ride and run without paying as well, so overall, it does benefit everyone.

end of the road

Boring username wrote: »

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-south-yorkshire-33340654


An appalling and disturbing decision by these taxi drivers. Every last one of these people should be banned from driving a taxi if this is their position. It's incredible that this can even be tolerated in this day and age, you would wonder how many of these taxi drivers have something to hide. At a time when public confidence in Rotherham taxi drivers is non-existent you would think there would be widespread support for these plans.

actually, no . we all know these CCTVS will be abused by the council and their installation isn't about "child protection" but most likely another scam or a way for the council to spy on people so they can scam money from them. never trust a uk local authority. if the council was genuinely concerned about child protection they would pay for the instalation and maintenence costs.

end of the road

DeadHand wrote: »

Seems a solid idea to me now that TBM has helpfully pointed out the relative cheapness of these systems.

It may seem like an extreme measure but it is an extreme situation, one largely downplayed by the media for the usual, craven reasons.

Local taxi drivers were integral to the sordid activities of these Muslim rape gangs.

well, the council can pay for installation and maintenence. they ****ed up because they were to lazy, their job to pay

end of the road

Hunterbiker wrote: »

There's more CCTV in the UK than you can shake a stick at.
It seems to be 'the go to response' for everything.
They seem to be using the Child Protection issue as just an excuse for more CCTV.

absolutely. make no mistake, this isn't about child protection, but about trying to scam more money

end of the road

Enjoy Heroin Responsibly wrote: »

Funny thing is with the cut backs a lot of councils are turning OFF their CCTV systems. They mustn't think they help much in reducing crime ?

well they turn off a lot of other things to. as long as the lot at the top get payed i suppose

DeadHand

end of the road wrote: »

well, the council can pay for installation and maintenence. they ****ed up because they were to lazy, their job to pay

No, they ****ed up because they were paralysed by political correctness.

In fact, anyone brave enough to point out the reality of the situation was promptly forced into "diversity training".

An independent report found that this was so.

Egginacup

Boring username wrote: »

Did you read the links I provided where an unusually high number of Rotherham taxi drivers were convicted of sexual assaults?
I know you're probably trolling here as usual but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt on this one.

And as another poster pointed out there were years between when the assaults occurred and when they were reported/investigated. A camera in a taxi this week, an assault takes place next week, the camera has a retention time of 30 days, the incident is reported in 2017, what the fcuk has been accomplished?

Egginacup

And what's to stop a taxi driver from turning off or sticking tape on the lense if he doesn't want to be filmed?

end of the road

Magico Gonzalez wrote: »

Perhaps Rotheram County Council should have a proper transfer service that didnt rely on taxi drivers.

A wider debate on public spending I suppose, but if you cant get proper service from the private sector then it should be in house.

well that would make sense. but at the end of the day all its about is getting it done on the cheep. thats why most privatizations were done in the UK, all though in most cases it has cost more.

end of the road

DeadHand wrote: »

No, they ****ed up because they were paralysed by political correctness.

An independent report found that this was so.

bull****. they ****ed up because they couldn't be bothered, and then used "i was afraid of being called racist blah blah blah" as an excuse because they have none. political correctness had nothing to do with it, i don't care what some report found. they failed to do their jobs because they failed.

rubadub

The Backwards Man wrote: »

CCTV is getting cheaper all the time, a decent two way system with night vision shouldn't cost much more than €100-€150.

That's someone buying their own. I wonder what this would cost the taximen as it would presumably have to be offical and checked etc. I expect installation & certifying an official taxi meter costs a lot more than what a similar piece of equipment would cost.

DeadHand

end of the road wrote: »

bull****. they ****ed up because they couldn't be bothered, and then used "i was afraid of being called racist blah blah blah" as an excuse because they have none. political correctness had nothing to do with it, i don't care what some report found. they failed to do their jobs because they failed.

You're getting excitable now.

I'll believe an independent, extensive report before your childlike arguments.

It's findings were a tad more nuanced than "blah blah blah... They failed because they failed".

end of the road

DeadHand wrote: »

You're getting excitable now.

I'll believe an independent, extensive report before your childlike arguments.

It's findings were a tad more nuanced than "blah blah blah... They failed because they failed".

i'm still right. no matter what you say. political correctness doesn't stop one from doing their job when it comes to protecting children if they care about protecting children

DeadHand

end of the road wrote: »

i'm still right. no matter what you say. political correctness doesn't stop one from doing their job when it comes to protecting children if they care about protecting children

The report compiled by various persons far more qualified to assess the situation than you are says otherwise.

So, you are not right. You are wrong.

ceadaoin.

DeadHand wrote: »

The report compiled by various persons far more qualified to assess the situation than you are says otherwise.

So, you are not right. You are wrong.

Not this again. The 'political correctness' aspect was one of many failings found in the report, it was not the sole reason cited. There were many other factors at play that led to the abuse continuing.

DeadHand

ceadaoin. wrote: »

Not this again. The 'political correctness' aspect was one of many failings found in the report, it was not the sole reason cited. There were many other factors at play that led to the abuse continuing.

Indeed, there were many factors involved; political correctness being the outstanding one.

It's wrong to deny it was a factor at all.

So, the poster was wrong.

ceadaoin.

DeadHand wrote: »

Indeed, there were many factors involved; political correctness being the outstanding one.

It's wrong to deny it was a factor at all.

So, the poster was wrong.

I don't remember the report finding it was the outstanding factor? I'd imagine if the girls were seen as worth the effort in the first place then it wouldn't have been a factor at all.

It just seems a bit convenient that it was used as an excuse when organised abuse of vulnerable children has been happening for decades with nothing done about it. But suddenly in Rotherham it's all because they didn't want to be seen as racist?

steddyeddy

Zamboni wrote: »

No brainer investment for a taxi driver to get a competitive advantage and install one.

This. Eventually young girls would stop using the cabs without cameras.

frostyjacks

Why would girls even use them now without the cameras, after everything that's come to light? I wouldn't feel safe at all in their position.

DeadHand

ceadaoin. wrote: »

I don't remember the report finding it was the outstanding factor? I'd imagine if the girls were seen as worth the effort in the first place then it wouldn't have been a factor at all.

It just seems a bit convenient that it was used as an excuse when organised abuse of vulnerable children has been happening for decades with nothing done about it. But suddenly in Rotherham it's all because they didn't want to be seen as racist?

Most outstanding as in most controversial.

Class and race were also issues here as the victims that were targetted by these Muslim rape gangs were overwhelmingly working class indigenous girls. Had they been middle class and/or of a minority grouping the authorities would have moved much more swiftly.

Not convenient or even surprising to me that a country like the UK which probably has the most politically correct institutions in the world would eventually produce a case of institutions failing in their most basic duties because of, among other things, political correctness.

Anyways, cctvs for taxis? Excellent idea.

end of the road

DeadHand wrote: »

The report compiled by various persons far more qualified to assess the situation than you are says otherwise.

So, you are not right. You are wrong.

i am not wrong, i am right

end of the road

ceadaoin. wrote: »

I don't remember the report finding it was the outstanding factor? I'd imagine if the girls were seen as worth the effort in the first place then it wouldn't have been a factor at all.

It just seems a bit convenient that it was used as an excuse when organised abuse of vulnerable children has been happening for decades with nothing done about it. But suddenly in Rotherham it's all because they didn't want to be seen as racist?

exactly. it was just a convenient excuse. such an excuse will get sympathy from people like deadhand.

end of the road

DeadHand wrote: »

Most outstanding as in most controversial.

Class and race were also issues here as the victims that were targetted by these Muslim rape gangs were overwhelmingly working class indigenous girls. Had they been middle class and/or of a minority grouping the authorities would have moved much more swiftly.

Not convenient or even surprising to me that a country like the UK which probably has the most politically correct institutions in the world would eventually produce a case of institutions failing in their most basic duties because of, among other things, political correctness.

Anyways, cctvs for taxis? Excellent idea.

no . political correctness was just a convenient excuse to get sympathy from people like yourself. the real reason was they couldn't be bothered with the headache of helping these children.

DeadHand

end of the road wrote: »

no . political correctness was just a convenient excuse to get sympathy from people like yourself. the real reason was they couldn't be bothered with the headache of helping these children.

No, you're wrong.

My position is supported by a full, expert, independent report.

Yours is based on nothing.

Nodin

frostyjacks wrote: »

Why would girls even use them now without the cameras, after everything that's come to light? I wouldn't feel safe at all in their position.

Why not?

Electric Sheep

DeadHand wrote: »

Most outstanding as in most controversial.

Class and race were also issues here as the victims that were targetted by these Muslim rape gangs were overwhelmingly working class indigenous girls. Had they been middle class and/or of a minority grouping the authorities would have moved much more swiftly.

Not convenient or even surprising to me that a country like the UK which probably has the most politically correct institutions in the world would eventually produce a case of institutions failing in their most basic duties because of, among other things, political correctness.

Anyways, cctvs for taxis? Excellent idea.

Indeed. Most of the girls were in care - the "bottom of the barrel" who have always been the most vulnerable and easiest to exploit, from long before the days of Jimmy Saville to today.

end of the road

DeadHand wrote: »

No, you're wrong.

My position is supported by a full, expert, independent report.

Yours is based on nothing.

i'm right. the report was always going to take their excuses into account to effectively shut them up. still doesn't change the fact political correctness had nothing to do with the failings, but the backgrounds of these children. the authorities couldn't be bothered helping these children because of their background and it would have meant them having to do some work

DeadHand

end of the road wrote: »

i'm right. the report was always going to take their excuses into account to effectively shut them up. still doesn't change the fact political correctness had nothing to do with the failings, but the backgrounds of these children. the authorities couldn't be bothered helping these children because of their background and it would have meant them having to do some work

No, you're wrong.

It was an independent inquiry with absolutely no interest in saving anyone's job.

They found that political correctness was a major factor in covering up the abuse. This is an established and documented fact.

Muckracker

end of the road wrote: »

i'm right. the report was always going to take their excuses into account to effectively shut them up. still doesn't change the fact political correctness had nothing to do with the failings, but the backgrounds of these children. the authorities couldn't be bothered helping these children because of their background and it would have meant them having to do some work

The woman who raised the alarm about the 'Asian' (pc for Pakistani) pedos was sent on a diversity training course and told never to repeat what she had uncovered.

That's what political correctness does to a society. Brits would rather their children were gang raped than run the risk of being accused of racism.

Alexis Sanchez

Muckracker wrote: »

Brits would rather their children were gang raped than run the risk of being accused of racism.

Not all of them - just the multicultural lefties, as long as it's not their kids.

Muckracker

Alexis Sanchez wrote: »

Not all of them - just the multicultural lefties, as long as it's not their kids.

Yeah! The ones who live the safe affluent areas.

RDM_83 again

ceadaoin. wrote: »

I don't remember the report finding it was the outstanding factor? I'd imagine if the girls were seen as worth the effort in the first place then it wouldn't have been a factor at all.

It just seems a bit convenient that it was used as an excuse when organised abuse of vulnerable children has been happening for decades with nothing done about it. But suddenly in Rotherham it's all because they didn't want to be seen as racist?

Generally when you see these organized abuses rings occurring and being "tolerated" its a group with privilege e.g Churchmen or Politicians.
If British Pakistani taxi drivers are a privileged group in English society I guess I've been reading every single socially conscious publication ever wrong

Personally I think that political correctness is a very useful term in this case, the motivation wasn't just to avoid racial profiling or other issues, it was also prevent the rise of Right Wing groups and to avoid offending one of the core Labour voting groups in the area avoiding this was "politically correct".

Personally while its going to be very little use for preventing these kinds of abuse if the costs aren't too high shouldn't taxi drivers welcome these camera's they will help prevent any false allegations at a time when they are perceived with distrust (I know some taxi drivers already use camera and was told by one that he had one but he removed it as the customers didn't like it)

Enjoy Heroin Responsibly

Zamboni wrote: »

No brainer investment for a taxi driver to get a competitive advantage and install one.

If this is the case why all the calls to make it mandatory ? Surely market forces will take care of it ?

end of the road

Muckracker wrote: »

The woman who raised the alarm about the 'Asian' (pc for Pakistani) pedos was sent on a diversity training course and told never to repeat what she had uncovered.

That's what political correctness does to a society. Brits would rather their children were gang raped than run the risk of being accused of racism.

no it was simply to shut her up so she wouldn't expose the hatred and contempt the authorities had for these children. political correctness is just a convenient excuse rather then simply accepting the fact the authorities just didn't care about these children. for what its worth i believe she should have told them to shove their divercity course and exposed it come what may.

ceadaoin.

Muckracker wrote: »

The woman who raised the alarm about the 'Asian' (pc for Pakistani) pedos was sent on a diversity training course and told never to repeat what she had uncovered.

That's what political correctness does to a society. Brits would rather their children were gang raped than run the risk of being accused of racism.

Two Rotherham councillors have been identified as suspects. I don't doubt that there were police officers and other officials also involved. Handy that they could use the racism card to shut down investigation and protect their cronies. Personally, I think that was the true motivation - using any method they could to protect their own who were obviously held in higher esteem than the actual victims.