General Rugby Discussion

.ak · 26-06-2015 11:05AM

K3v wrote: »

You should change the way you lace up your boots, it can really make a massive difference. I had terrible problems with my feet being cut up during the summer playing tag, then I was told to use 'heel lock lacing' on my boots. Made some difference.

I actually just discovered this a while ago. Yep certainly makes a difference, now I use this method whenever I use runners/boots during any physical activity, it's very good! But still isn't helping my toe issue.

.ak · 26-06-2015 12:05PM

OSI wrote: »

Sorted:

http://www.foxnews.com/health/2012/11/20/tiletto-surgery-removes-pinky-toe-for-better-fit/

Hahah honestly if I could get rid of them it'd be deadly! Nothing else cuts or blisters, just my big toe!

irishbucsfan · 01-07-2015 11:51PM

The London Welsh chairman is talking up the idea of them joining the Pro 12 now. Not sure if it's at all likely but he seems to be very keen on the idea.

Wang King · 01-07-2015 11:57PM

irishbucsfan wrote: »

The London Welsh chairman is talking up the idea of them joining the Pro 12 now. Not sure if it's at all likely but he seems to be very keen on the idea.

Bound to be an Italian team folding soon, could very well be considered

ouncer · 02-07-2015 02:10AM

irishbucsfan wrote: »

The London Welsh chairman is talking up the idea of them joining the Pro 12 now. Not sure if it's at all likely but he seems to be very keen on the idea.

It was mentioned that London welsh and London scottish were interested in taking up the two Italian positions. Not going to happen. While Treviso and zebre languish at the bottom end of the pro12 both have private investors who are happy with their financial return. They don't invest in players, they don't invest in stadia and their cash flows certainly do not reflect their table positions. The BT sport and sky television rights are financially rewarding enough to see two teams languish at the bottom of the table and happily achieve profits. So what you get is teams who want to develop and win and teams in private ownership who couldn't give a crap as they can lose all their games and still make a profit. Why wouldn't London welsh and Scottish want a piece of that

sydneybound · 02-07-2015 07:05AM

ouncer wrote: »

It was mentioned that London welsh and London scottish were interested in taking up the two Italian positions. Not going to happen. While Treviso and zebre languish at the bottom end of the pro12 both have private investors who are happy with their financial return. They don't invest in players, they don't invest in stadia and their cash flows certainly do not reflect their table positions. The BT sport and sky television rights are financially rewarding enough to see two teams languish at the bottom of the table and happily achieve profits. So what you get is teams who want to develop and win and teams in private ownership who couldn't give a crap as they can lose all their games and still make a profit. Why wouldn't London welsh and Scottish want a piece of that

God I've never heard so much crap in all my life. Trevino is backed by the Benetton family who are from the town and they don't make any money from the team. Zebre were owned by the Italian Union until a few months ago recently taken over by private investors. How could these teams actually make money when there tv deals along with crowds, which average 2-3,000, are extremely poor.

The sky deal is something like £30m over 4 years between 12 teams plus admin costs from the pro12 organisers, while only one italian team makes the European cup and the TV rights for that certainly wouldn't run a squad. Plus travel costs which are huge for every time an Italian team plays away. There's no profit there.

.ak · 02-07-2015 08:23AM

Plus they have to pay the Pro12 to be in the competition in the first place. I reckon they're defo in the red.

irishbucsfan · 02-07-2015 09:02AM

If they were making profits they wouldn't be incapable of paying the Pro 12 for the privilege of remaining in the league. Obviously that's complete nonsense.

The motivation for London Welsh is that they're potentially going to be permenanetly boxed out of the Premiership with their removal of relegation/promotion.

02-07-2015 09:04AM

I don't think the Italians even get a cut of the tv money...

irishbucsfan · 02-07-2015 09:09AM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I don't think the Italians even get a cut of the tv money...

No, but theyre lucky enough to get the Italian tv money in those rare occasions they can find a buyer.

RobbieRuns · 02-07-2015 11:17AM

I always was of the opinion that the Italian teams lost money.........

02-07-2015 11:23AM

RobbieRuns wrote: »

I always was of the opinion that the Italian teams lost money.........

And they do...

OldRio · 02-07-2015 11:46AM

ouncer wrote: »

It was mentioned that London welsh and London scottish were interested in taking up the two Italian positions. Not going to happen. While Treviso and zebre languish at the bottom end of the pro12 both have private investors who are happy with their financial return. They don't invest in players, they don't invest in stadia and their cash flows certainly do not reflect their table positions. The BT sport and sky television rights are financially rewarding enough to see two teams languish at the bottom of the table and happily achieve profits. So what you get is teams who want to develop and win and teams in private ownership who couldn't give a crap as they can lose all their games and still make a profit. Why wouldn't London welsh and Scottish want a piece of that

Wow. Just wow.

ouncer · 02-07-2015 07:02PM

Can't think that a bunch of private entrepreneurs bought zebre for the crack. Zebre will sit at the bottom of the pro12 for the forseeable future. So are they just in it to lose their money. Hardly think so. With TV rights, donations from the local rugby federation, from the European federation you maybe would guess these folks figured they can run at a profit. Why else would they be there? Never came across an entrepreneur who wished to lose money for the sake of losing money

total former · 02-07-2015 07:13PM

ouncer wrote: »

Can't think that a bunch of private entrepreneurs bought zebre for the crack. Zebre will sit at the bottom of the pro12 for the forseeable future. So are they just in it to lose their money. Hardly think so. With TV rights, donations from the local rugby federation, from the European federation you maybe would guess these folks figured they can run at a profit. Why else would they be there? Never came across an entrepreneur who wished to lose money for the sake of losing money

Zebre are owned and run by the Italian federation after the privately owned Aironi went bust...

aimee1 · 02-07-2015 07:16PM

total former wrote: »

Zebre are owned and run by the Italian federation after the privately owned Aironi went bust...

there was [paper] talk towards the end of last season about zebre being taken over by a private consortium

bilston · 02-07-2015 07:58PM

Zebre are making some progress on the field. Their results are steadily improving even if hey finished bottom again. I'm more disappointed at how far back Treviso have gone in the last few years.

CatFromHue · 02-07-2015 11:26PM

bilston wrote: »

Zebre are making some progress on the field. Their results are steadily improving even if hey finished bottom again. I'm more disappointed at how far back Treviso have gone in the last few years.

It is very dissappointing as at one stage they looked very promissing.

9, 7, and 10 games won in each of their first 3 seasons, since then it's been 5 and 3:mad:

b.gud · 03-07-2015 04:16PM

FIR stumped up the money so the Italian clubs will be staying put for a while
http://www.the42.ie/london-clubs-pro12-italy-zebre-treviso-2196813-Jul2015/

03-07-2015 04:28PM

b.gud wrote: »

FIR stumped up the money so the Italian clubs will be staying put for a while
http://www.the42.ie/london-clubs-pro12-italy-zebre-treviso-2196813-Jul2015/

Great news!

JPNelsforearm · 03-07-2015 04:48PM

b.gud wrote: »

FIR stumped up the money so the Italian clubs will be staying put for a while

Has the world gone mad, they have a squad of third rate mercenaries, are perennial whipping boys, yet the celtic nations see fit to scalp them for 1.5mill, who cares about giving them the opportunity to raise standards build/lease some facilities, get pro staff, actually help them have a proper crack at things, nah, we want money, utterly short sighted.

03-07-2015 04:53PM

JPNelsforearm wrote: »

Has the world gone mad, they have a squad of third rate mercenaries, are perennial whipping boys, yet the celtic nations see fit to scalp them for 1.5mill, who cares about giving them the opportunity to raise standards build/lease some facilities, get pro staff, actually help them have a proper crack at things, nah, we want money, utterly short sighted.

Should the Celtic teams raise ticket costs to cover the additional expense of having the Italians in the league? I'm pretty sure it's not a profit-making exercise.

The hope is that the Italians can unlock the market there to the extent that a shared deal and partnership makes sense. It's a medium-long term project really.

The geographical logistics make it tricky (aka expensive).

If you were to start from scratch, you'd pair the Italians with the French, and the British Isles would have a tournament.

Wang King · 03-07-2015 05:20PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Should the Celtic teams raise ticket costs to cover the additional expense of having the Italians in the league? I'm pretty sure it's not a profit-making exercise.

The hope is that the Italians can unlock the market there to the extent that a shared deal and partnership makes sense. It's a medium-long term project really.

The geographical logistics make it tricky (aka expensive).

If you were to start from scratch, you'd pair the Italians with the French, and the British Isles would have a tournament.

The Italian teams and a D2 combined competition would have some merit I'd say

ouncer · 03-07-2015 07:50PM

JPNelsforearm wrote: »

Has the world gone mad, they have a squad of third rate mercenaries, are perennial whipping boys, yet the celtic nations see fit to scalp them for 1.5mill, who cares about giving them the opportunity to raise standards build/lease some facilities, get pro staff, actually help them have a proper crack at things, nah, we want money, utterly short sighted.

Money paid by Italian federation not zebre. If I were to suggest a quality private limited company zebre are the dogs bollox. Need to win nuffin and all costs covered.

JPNelsforearm · 03-07-2015 08:04PM

ouncer wrote: »

Money paid by Italian federation not zebre. If I were to suggest a quality private limited company zebre are the dogs bollox. Need to win nuffin and all costs covered.

https: //www. youtube. com/watch?v=raI8UnL2aZc
Brendon Leonard doesnt seem to think so, how many times did he mention professionalism.... Either run them as a proper team or dont bother imo.

irishbucsfan · 03-07-2015 08:07PM

JPNelsforearm wrote: »

Has the world gone mad, they have a squad of third rate mercenaries, are perennial whipping boys, yet the celtic nations see fit to scalp them for 1.5mill, who cares about giving them the opportunity to raise standards build/lease some facilities, get pro staff, actually help them have a proper crack at things, nah, we want money, utterly short sighted.

It's better than the 3 million they were paying previously. There is an degree to which a payment on their behalf is justified, IE the other teams in the league bring in the majority of the revenue and their costs are increased by having the Italian teams in the league. Whether the charge being levied by the celtic nations is fair isn't really possible to say without knowing the figures however I certainly think the 3 million figure was extortionate.

JPNelsforearm · 03-07-2015 08:19PM

irishbucsfan wrote: »

It's better than the 3 million they were paying previously. There is an degree to which a payment on their behalf is justified, IE the other teams in the league bring in the majority of the revenue and their costs are increased by having the Italian teams in the league. Whether the charge being levied by the celtic nations is fair isn't really possible to say without knowing the figures however I certainly think the 3 million figure was extortionate.

I think though If Irish teams were actually challenged(outside of being challenged by inept coaching induced crapness a la Matt O connor led Leinster v Treviso) by the Italian teams, especially if we played young players, it would make the league a better spectacle, develop players more, bring in more crowds, more watching on tv, more sponsorship etc etc, how much are their costs increased by really, 24k a year? It couldnt cost more then that for two trips to Italy for a rugby squad.

irishbucsfan · 03-07-2015 08:25PM

JPNelsforearm wrote: »

I think though If Irish teams were actually challenged(outside of being challenged by inept coaching induced crapness a la Matt O connor led Leinster v Treviso) by the Italian teams, especially if we played young players, it would make the league a better spectacle, develop players more, bring in more crowds, more watching on tv, more sponsorship etc etc, how much are their costs increased by really, 24k a year? It couldnt cost more then that for two trips to Italy for a rugby squad.

Ha, it's considerably more than that. There's 4 extra games a season which means higher wage costs, high insurance costs and expanded squads. It would be a multiple of that.

If the Italians were competitive it would make the league a better spectacle, but they're not and there's a long way to go organisationally as well as at S10 and grassroots level before throwing money at the franchises will fix that problem.

Clearlier · 03-07-2015 10:42PM

irishbucsfan wrote: »

Ha, it's considerably more than that. There's 4 extra games a season which means higher wage costs, high insurance costs and expanded squads. It would be a multiple of that.

If the Italians were competitive it would make the league a better spectacle, but they're not and there's a long way to go organisationally as well as at S10 and grassroots level before throwing money at the franchises will fix that problem.

Don't Leinster charter their own planes too? I don't know what the rate is for that but 25k travelling costs seems optimistic.

sydneybound · 04-07-2015 08:56AM

Clearlier wrote: »

Don't Leinster charter their own planes too? I don't know what the rate is for that but 25k travelling costs seems optimistic.

Leinster have a deal with cityjet so woud get some type of discount. Do Munster or ulster charter their own planes. Connacht don't!

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