You need to know who Max Martin is right now

justchecked · 03-07-2015 01:59PM

At first I was surprised but then I wasn't.

Fat Christy · 03-07-2015 02:01PM

Cormac... wrote: »

Yeah..... here's a video about the guy

Love that guy.

DeadHand · 03-07-2015 02:02PM

Boring username wrote: »

art is DEAD now, so why not accept that and milk the cattle for all they are worth.

I'd agree that there is a lot of lazy tat on all media now but art is far from dead. There is still a lot of great music, cinema and television being made alongside the hogwash.

pablomakaveli · 03-07-2015 02:48PM

DeadHand wrote: »

I'd agree that there is a lot of lazy tat on all media now but art is far from dead. There is still a lot of great music, cinema and television being made alongside the hogwash.

What is great music,cinema or television though? At the end of the day art is purely subjective.

Junkyard Tom · 03-07-2015 02:56PM

How the hell is a person suffering with Parkinson's disease supposed to shake it off?

DEFTLEFTHAND · 03-07-2015 02:57PM

These artists are part of the Entertainment Industry. Artists in the Music Industry still by and large write and play their own material.

Summer wind · 03-07-2015 03:01PM

This is just the same as Stock Aiken and Waterman back in the 80's. Remember all those songs that were catchy and sounded alike. Most were sang by Kylie Minogue, Sonia, Jason Donovan and Bannarama. As an experiment they even got the tea boy from the office to record one of their songs. Couple of weeks later the star we know as Rick Astley hit the charts.

One eyed Jack · 03-07-2015 03:11PM

NachoBusiness wrote: »

Anyone remember the MTV live performance where Kelly Clarkson sung Since You've Been Gone in faux rain with no underwear on?

Just me? Really? Fair enough so.

Heh, I'm guessing that's on the unseen footage DVD?

Meanwhile, you wouldn't catch Taylor Swift wearing no underwear. Nope, big granny pants are where it's at apparently -

Fat Christy · 03-07-2015 03:14PM

One eyed Jack wrote: »

Heh, I'm guessing that's on the unseen footage DVD?

Meanwhile, you wouldn't catch Taylor Swift wearing no underwear. Nope, big granny pants are where it's at apparently -

Granny pants FTW!!!

NachoBusiness · 03-07-2015 04:35PM

One eyed Jack wrote: »

Heh, I'm guessing that's on the unseen footage DVD? [/youtube]

Nope, it was broadcast live. The 'rain' made her bottoms slip a few inches was all.

Think there is some screen caps of it somewhere. You got to see half her wet butt and and enough of her frontal zone area region to make it very clear she eh.. loves Hollywood (I sound like Patrick Stewart on Extras). There is an edited version on YouTube which is still good enough to fap to, don't get me wrong, but without the wardrobe malfunction it's just not the same really. Boy did she have a cracking body back then though. Not that I still wouldn't, I absolutely would. I've said too much haven't I. I'll stop talking now. Stopped.

Boring username · 03-07-2015 04:46PM

Conall Cernach wrote: »

That "Shake it off" has got to be one of the most insanely catchy songs of the last few years. If this guy had a hand in writing it or any other hit songs then fair dues to him, it's not as if he'd doing anything new this is just another incarnation of Tin Pan Alley. You'd think the way some people are going on that all pop music was some sort of deep and meaningful expression of a tortured soul until this guy came along and ruined it by writing and producing for good looking, easily marketable pop stars.

Well to a certain extent music in the 60s, 70s, and 80s was relatively 'real' (although there was always an element of manufactured bands during those periods too i.e. the monkees, abba, Kylie etc...).

But the cold hard reality is that manufactured pop music is by and large what the majority of people want/tolerate in today's musical free market. So the customer gets what the public wants. And that means 'genuine' artists get sidelined or left behind because they simply aren't profitable. It's simple economics at the end of the day.

cloud493 · 03-07-2015 04:49PM

Hey hey you shut your mouth nobody insults Taylor Swift like that :mad:

SmilesInMass · 03-07-2015 04:52PM

Boring username wrote: »

Well to a certain extent music in the 60s, 70s, and 80s was relatively 'real' (although there was always an element of manufactured bands during those periods too i.e. the monkees, abba, Kylie etc...).

But the cold hard reality is that manufactured pop music is by and large what the majority of people want/tolerate in today's musical free market. So the customer gets what the public wants. And that means 'genuine' artists get sidelined or left behind because they simply aren't profitable. It's simple economics at the end of the day.

That's really not the case at all though. The Internet is the great leveller when it comes to art. Bands are touring the world, selling records and earning a decent living off their own back in a lot of cases. It's cut of the middleman and let's bands/artists get the music straight to the fans.

Even in the case of smaller record labels such as XL, Rough Trade, Stones Throw, Brainfeeder and Modular Recordings, they are putting out albums that are getting acclaimed year after year. And that's just a handful of labels off the top of my head. The quality and quantity of great music has never been as good as it is now.

Boring username · 03-07-2015 05:03PM

SmilesInMass wrote: »

That's really not the case at all though. The Internet is the great leveller when it comes to art. Bands are touring the world, selling records and earning a decent living off their own back in a lot of cases. It's cut of the middleman and let's bands/artists get the music straight to the fans.

Even in the case of smaller record labels such as XL, Rough Trade, Stones Throw, Brainfeeder and Modular Recordings, they are putting out albums that are getting acclaimed year after year. And that's just a handful of labels off the top of my head. The quality and quantity of great music has never been as good as it is now.

True, but none of them would be considered mainstream. The big players are mostly the manufactured ones.

Generic Dreadhead · 03-07-2015 05:05PM

Fat Christy wrote: »

Love that guy.

Yeah, one of my 1st Youtube subscriptions, I like to keep my sub list elite!!!

SmilesInMass · 03-07-2015 05:13PM

Boring username wrote: »

True, but none of them would be considered mainstream. The big players are mostly the manufactured ones.

In some cases, but not as much as you'd think really. I just had a look at the billboard top 100 and among the pop stars in the top 10 such as Taylor Swift, Selena Gomez & David Guetta are Fetty Wap, a rapper who's song Trap Queen blew up online. Kendrick Lamar, albeit featured on Taylor Swifts song but he's still considered the best rapper alive and has two critically alcaimed albums under his belt. The Weeknd, a dark r&b singer from Canada who blew up again from the Internet and is now starting to take over mainstream radio. Hardly what you'd call manufactured.

Boring username · 03-07-2015 10:54PM

SmilesInMass wrote: »

In some cases, but not as much as you'd think really. I just had a look at the billboard top 100 and among the pop stars in the top 10 such as Taylor Swift, Selena Gomez & David Guetta are Fetty Wap, a rapper who's song Trap Queen blew up online. Kendrick Lamar, albeit featured on Taylor Swifts song but he's still considered the best rapper alive and has two critically alcaimed albums under his belt. The Weeknd, a dark r&b singer from Canada who blew up again from the Internet and is now starting to take over mainstream radio. Hardly what you'd call manufactured.

Well hopefully this does indeed come to pass, I would like to see the bar being raised in terms of modern culture when it comes to music. But the fact remains that presently almost all the big names are manufactured. It remains to be seen whether the online bands will have the potential to truly revolutionise the music scene by taking over the mainstream. I would suspect though that you would need the assistance of one of the major labels to do this, and that means getting into bed with them......

Fat Christy · 04-07-2015 09:47AM

OP, can you please refrain from changing the title of the thread? The constant title changes are annoying me and it's not an annoyance I can simply 'shake off'.

If you do it again, I'm afraid you leave me with no option but to write a whole album about you.

Wibbs · 04-07-2015 10:05AM

Boring username wrote: »

Well to a certain extent music in the 60s, 70s, and 80s was relatively 'real' (although there was always an element of manufactured bands during those periods too i.e. the monkees, abba, Kylie etc...).

Abba? Are you in earnest Sir? They were most certainly not "manufactured", pop, yes, but as real as it gets. Actual songwriters and fantastic singers. No back room boys and auto tune going on there.

Plus music was rarely enough "real' back in the day. Mainstream pop anyway where singer songwriters were thin enough on the ground. I'd reckon the 70's would have been about the peak of it. The 50's was Tin Pan alley, rooms of writers knocking out hit after hit. Buddy Holly would have been one of the outliers there what with writing his own material. The Beatles coming along in the 60's were initially outliers too. You write your own songs, ah go away outa that was the attitude. At first.

RobertKK · 04-07-2015 10:34AM

On Taylor Swift's 1989 deluxe album, she explains how she writes songs. She explains how she took Blank Space to Max Martin and Johan Shellback for a 'session'. She had the music and some of the words like the chorus, and what one gets from what she says. She has the song, the music and together they add the finishing touches to the song.

You need to know who Max Martin is right now

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