Reddit is Clueless

Cr4pSnip3r · 03-07-2015 03:32PM

In honesty, if you take the time to moan about boards.ie on Reddit or moan about Reddit on boards.ie, you're a bit of a ****ing loser.

tietambrown · 03-07-2015 03:34PM

In honesty, if you take the time to moan about people moaning about boards.ie on Reddit or moaning about Reddit on boards.ie, you're a bit of a ****ing lose

Cr4pSnip3r · 03-07-2015 03:35PM

tietambrown wrote: »

In honesty, if you take the time to moan about people moaning about boards.ie on Reddit or moaning about Reddit on boards.ie, you're a bit of a ****ing lose

Why does it seem like Irish humour is like a broken record? I fully expected this response.

Links234 · 03-07-2015 03:37PM

Magico Gonzalez wrote: »

The CEO isn't popular because she won't let her business be used as a vehicle to make fun of fat kids and racist abuse (ps...not referring to the aforementioned AMA). It's a hard life, it'll happen to 4chan too. As a site grows so do the amount of tvrds who sign up to post offensive nonsense. I have every sympathy with the CEO of Reddit, she's got a hard task putting up with morons who want to pick on fat kids and think that they are entitled to run the business however they want whilst not paying and not consenting to any type of revenue generation.

Reddit still has an insane amount of racist, neo Nazi subs, that hasn't gone anywhere, and fatpeoplehate was banned because they doxxed the employees of imgur.

I got a lot of sympathy for Ellen Pao too, she's being used as a scapegoat, when the problems with reddits admins have gone back way before she was ever CEO. But let's not kid ourselves about why certain subreddits were banned, reddit is still a hotbed of racism and other nasty ****.

Edit: worth noting that reddit has banned controversial subs such as /r/jailbait and others long before Pao.

Magico Gonzalez · 03-07-2015 03:48PM

Cr4pSnip3r wrote: »

Why does it seem like Irish humour is like a broken record? I fully expected this response.

I don't think it's humour, I think it's an accurate observation of the inane nature of your post.

Complaining about complaining online is so moronic that there is only one appropriate response.

Earthhorse · 03-07-2015 03:49PM

Magico Gonzalez wrote: »

Reddit is a business, she was responsible for a public facing part of it. If she didn't want to move (as is rumoured) to where the job is located, facilitated a completely disastrous AMA and objected to looking to make some money from her part of the business then cry me a river.

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Now this poor Victoria diddums is a cause celebre for, I dunno...having your cake and eating or something.

She stuck by her principles, it cost her the job, she'll get another one. Dry your eyes.

Except we don't really know why she was fired. Apparently, re-locating is not the reason. It's a bit unreasonable to suggest that you'll ever get an employee who doesn't host a disastrous AMA; the nature of the format means that will sometimes happen but again that apparently isn't the reason.

Her objection to doing video AMAs was not that it would make more money, rather that it would be a carefully managed PR exercise as opposed to the open format that makes AMAs worthwhile. Now, even if they decide to go in that direction they could at least give her notice and perhaps train someone else up into her position during the transition period. They could even perhaps move her into another position given the goodwill she has built up with the community. But no, of course not; if someone disagrees with you you should fire them, no wonder we have so many profitable and thriving businesses in the world.

Magico Gonzalez · 03-07-2015 03:50PM

Links234 wrote: »

Reddit still has an insane amount of racist, neo Nazi subs, that hasn't gone anywhere, and fatpeoplehate was banned because they doxxed the employees of imgur.

I got a lot of sympathy for Ellen Pao too, she's being used as a scapegoat, when the problems with reddits admins have gone back way before she was ever CEO. But let's not kid ourselves about why certain subreddits were banned, reddit is still a hotbed of racism and other nasty ****.

Edit: worth noting that reddit has banned conteoverial subs such as /r/jailbait and others long before Pao.

I think she has a long way to go, I suppose she has to protect the user base and is trying to weed out the idiots. I would like to see all of the hate speech and neo-nazi garbage disposed of.

Magico Gonzalez · 03-07-2015 03:54PM

Earthhorse wrote: »

Except we don't really know why she was fired. Apparently, re-locating is not the reason. It's a bit unreasonable to suggest that you'll ever get an employee who doesn't host a disastrous AMA; the nature of the format means that will sometimes happen but again that apparently isn't the reason.

Her objection to doing video AMAs was not that it would make more money, rather that it would be a carefully managed PR exercise as opposed to the open format that makes AMAs worthwhile. Now, even if they decide to go in that direction they could at least give her notice and perhaps train someone else up into her position during the transition period. They could even perhaps move her into another position given the goodwill she has built up with the community. But no, of course not; if someone disagrees with you you should fire them, no wonder we have so many profitable and thriving businesses in the world.

You are telling me that we don't really know the reasons she was fired for, then in the next paragraph telling why she was fired !

We're down the rabbit hole here.

Details aside, reddit has a right to run their website as the snr mgmt see fit, if there is a difference of opinion, and one which might potentially be aired publically and generate noise and resistance in the user base then I'm afraid I understand the need for a swift dismissal.

I would hope that what has happened is immediate gardening leave, payment of notice followed up by a swift NDA to ensure no further discussion. I would view that as fair.

bnt · 03-07-2015 03:59PM

If Reddit's going to be a business, it need do better than this. For an object lesson in how badly an Internet company can go down, have a read of this: digg.com was once valued at $160 million, and it just sold for $500,000. :eek:

fedor.2. · 03-07-2015 04:01PM

Vandango wrote: »

And you don't understand that this is Boards.ie and most Boarsdies couldn't give a crap about that shyte site.

The fact that you refer to yourself, and others, as " boardsies" makes me cringe

Turtyturd · 03-07-2015 04:02PM

catallus wrote: »

Maybe the mods of boards should emulate their reddit brethren

As in go against the site owners?

Heh, if this happened on boards mods would be falling over themselves to praise their overlords for firing her.

catallus · 03-07-2015 04:10PM

fedor.2. wrote: »

The fact that you refer to yourself, and others, as " boardsies" makes me cringe

What about their revelling in their sinfulness? Their enabling of self-confirming modalities? The deleteriousness of their nescience?

It is far, far indeed, from 4chan we are.

Caliden · 03-07-2015 04:12PM

Retrovertigo wrote: »

4chan a good website? :pac::pac::pac:

get out of /b/ and it is

Enjoy Heroin Responsibly · 03-07-2015 04:12PM

Links234 wrote: »

Reddit still has an insane amount of racist, neo Nazi subs, that hasn't gone anywhere.

Racism is hardly unknown around these parts .........?

KungPao · 03-07-2015 04:15PM

Fantastic website, hope they get their act together.

bnt · 03-07-2015 04:18PM

Vandango wrote: »

And you don't understand that this is Boards.ie and most Boarsdies couldn't give a crap about that shyte site.

I don't care for most topics discussed on Boards, but you don't see me jumping in to e.g. GAA threads, trying to tell people that my apathy means they shouldn't be interested themselves.

Earthhorse · 03-07-2015 04:36PM

Magico Gonzalez wrote: »

You are telling me that we don't really know the reasons she was fired for, then in the next paragraph telling why she was fired !

Nope. I'm discussing the third reason you gave for her being fired because it's the only one they haven't denied.

Details aside, reddit has a right to run their website as the snr mgmt see fit, if there is a difference of opinion, and one which might potentially be aired publically and generate noise and resistance in the user base then I'm afraid I understand the need for a swift dismissal.

Of course they have the right to run things how they see fit but that doesn't mean they run them well or are above criticism for the way they run things. If concern over public airing and noise generation was the reason for the swift dismissal then it has spectacularly backfired.

I would hope that what has happened is immediate gardening leave, payment of notice followed up by a swift NDA to ensure no further discussion. I would view that as fair.

Certainly it would be fairer but it's odd (though consistent with their poor communication) that they haven't said she's on paid notice as this would somewhat improve public perception as things stand.

03-07-2015 04:40PM

Yes, Reddit management have a right to decide how it is run, the same that the users have a right to fight against it. And, if you've gone on the site today, you'll notice that their decision had backfired massively.

steve_r · 03-07-2015 04:48PM

My main experience of Reddit was because of the Serial podcast. There’s a discussion thread on boards on it, but it only ran a few pages. In contrast, acres of coverage were done on the Serial subreddit.

However, the forum became derailed by people who held strong views (he either did it, or didn’t do it). They downvoted everything that disagreed with them, and upvoted everything that agreed with them. The moderation was also agenda driven, and people set up a separate subreddit in protest. All the while the conversation here on boards (in our sadly too-quiet podcast forum:() continued along with the same opinions being voiced, but in a much more civil fashion.

Upvoting can be very useful, but it can also be abused. Downvoting is a bigger risk because it allows people to smoother a conversation if there’s something they don’t want to hear.

I often filter boards by “thanks” because it throws up a lot of very good posts. It does however, throw up a lot of “popular opinion” stuff – it’s the voice of the majority and that’s not always the best thing.

Links234 · 03-07-2015 06:42PM

Enjoy Heroin Responsibly wrote: »

Racism is hardly unknown around these parts .........?

No, but boards doesn't have a forum called "Gas The Kikes" or "Coontown"

Reddit's racism problem is far, far more extreme than anything you'd find on boards

Tomagotchye · 03-07-2015 06:48PM

Tar.Aldarion wrote: »

The upvote/downvote system is great for the best posts going to the top, other forums you have to merely read things in order. (still have that choice on reddit)

The "best" posts....or the most popular posts? It's a rating system, it doesn't know quality.

bnt · 03-07-2015 07:06PM

Links234 wrote: »

No, but boards doesn't have a forum called "Gas The Kikes" or "Coontown"

It would if normal users had the ability to create their own forums. They wouldn't last very long, due to the paternalistic moderation and the regulatory environment here, but if people could try it, you know they would ... :eek:

Enjoy Heroin Responsibly · 03-07-2015 07:07PM

Links234 wrote: »

Reddit's racism problem is far, far more extreme than anything you'd find on boards

Generally its the more subtle racists who are the most insidious .

recylingbin · 03-07-2015 07:10PM

bnt wrote: »

Went on Reddit this morning, and thought I had travelled back in time to 1995, the year Alicia Silverstone would, like, totally pause for Stop signs. Rage-quitting, subreddits going "dark" (private), and general first-world-problem whining. All because the lady who organised AMA (Ask Me Anything) interviews has been laid off from Reddit without advance notice. Here's one version of the story on Reddit.

I really thought the Internet had reached a level of professionalism and maturity where this kind of thing didn't happen any more. In a way, it's kind-of reassuring to see that the old Clueless spirit is still alive and kicking.

"Do you have any idea what you're talking about?"
"No. Why, does it sound like I do?"

Can someone who speaks whatever this is translate the first, second and third paragraphs into a language that normal people speak?
Thanks.

Links234 · 03-07-2015 07:12PM

recylingbin wrote: »

Can someone who speaks whatever this is translate the first, second and third paragraphs into a language that normal people speak?
Thanks.

Referencing the movie "Clueless" because the reddit admins are clueless, gettit?

Wibbs · 03-07-2015 07:27PM

Links234 wrote: »

I got a lot of sympathy for Ellen Pao too,

I don't, one could argue she's a right chancer that wan, as is her husband. They could well write a book entitled "How to ease one's way to personal wealth on discrimination lawsuits". Pity their cases - yep cases - always go against them.

Turtyturd wrote: »

As in go against the site owners?

Heh, if this happened on boards mods would be falling over themselves to praise their overlords for firing her.

You'd be surprised. More than once in the past when for example the admins were perceived as heavy handed the user base including a load of mods asked WTF? And publicly. The Dispute resolution forum sprang from one such case. The Poker forum "incident" back in the day caused quite the bit of what the hell stuff on both sides. These days I can't see it happening to the same degree, not unless there was a major change to how the site operated coming down the line. 1) Boards has become more professional and honed over the years and better for it 2) with the rise of other social media outlets, including reddit and voat and who ever I'd say the deeper bond with the site and community has lessened somewhat, so fewer people would feel they had a horse in the race.

recylingbin · 03-07-2015 07:37PM

Links234 wrote: »

Referencing the movie "Clueless" because the reddit admins are clueless, gettit?

Nope.
But think you missed a trick not saying 'geddit'

03-07-2015 07:41PM

Fairly entertaining day on Reddit and I'm with the mods on this one.. The AMA had the president of the United States on it and suddenly, the contact is gone without any sort of support to others.

People who don't get Reddit.. Fine. Boardsies who have been using the same vBulletin software for ten years not giving it a chance? Mad.

It is by far and away the most stimulating site online. Have an interest in absolutely anything and the community is there.

strelok · 03-07-2015 07:45PM

Deleted User wrote: »

It is by far and away the most stimulating site online. Have an interest in absolutely anything and the community is there.

what about hating fat people

Whatsisname · 03-07-2015 07:53PM

Anyone who questions reddit usefulness needs to go onto the top tab in r/IAmA and read until their little heart is content. Fascinating subreddit and fascinating site.

Reddit is Clueless

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