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Reddit is Clueless

bnt

Went on Reddit this morning, and thought I had travelled back in time to 1995, the year Alicia Silverstone would, like, totally pause for Stop signs. Rage-quitting, subreddits going "dark" (private), and general first-world-problem whining. All because the lady who organised AMA (Ask Me Anything) interviews has been laid off from Reddit without advance notice. Here's one version of the story on Reddit.

I really thought the Internet had reached a level of professionalism and maturity where this kind of thing didn't happen any more. In a way, it's kind-of reassuring to see that the old Clueless spirit is still alive and kicking.

"Do you have any idea what you're talking about?"
"No. Why, does it sound like I do?"

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Earthhorse

I don't have a lot of sympathy for Pao as she comes across as a rich, entitled ass of which the world has plenty but I do think a lot of the ire surrounding this has been misdirected toward her and don't really understand why her rich, entitled ass should be singled out for attention in a world full of rich, entitled asses.

Tipsy McSwagger

strelok wrote: »

what about hating fat people

what about the fappening?

strelok

Wibbs wrote: »

Hating fat people if that's a thing wasn't the issue it seems, but doxing a whole bunch of them was. IMHO that's a line that shouldn't be crossed.

as far as I understand it no one was actually doxed (on the imgur side at least). fatpeoplehate hosted images (that the imgur employees themselves made public on imgur) on the fph sidebar and because reddit and imgur had entered into some sort of publicised agreement or mutual masturbation soon before that, action was taken.

it's pretty hard to complain about being doxxed when the 'doxx' is something you put online in a public setting to be viewed by the public

now there undoubtedly was doxxing/harrassment from fph generally speaking (from time to time) and fair enough, if that means it has to go then it has to go but everyone and their dog knows fph was targetted because of what they were not because of what they did. if what they did was actually the issue ****redditsays would have been banned and its mods hung from the streetlights of san francisco long before 2015.

Tipsy McSwagger

Reddit is awesome. A few months ago I was reading a book about JonBenet Ramsey's death and the police chief of Boulder Colorado did an infamous AMA on the unresolved mysteries subreddit, and he answered some of my questions, which were picked up by the local media, the AMA was deleted shortly afterwards because the chief didn't know what he had gotten himself into.

Wibbs

strelok wrote: »

what about hating fat people

Hating fat people if that's a thing wasn't the issue it seems, but doxing a whole bunch of them was. IMHO thats a line that shouldn't be crossed.

Carlos Orange

Links234 wrote: »

just look at the pants-on-head-stupid response to this whole debacle that one of the admins gave: "Popcorn tastes good", or many of the other long standing issues the moderators have had with the admins going back years

I think the popcorn remark was from a reddit cofounder and current executive chairman.

Links234

Wibbs wrote: »

I don't, one could argue she's a right chancer that wan, as is her husband. They could well write a book entitled "How to ease one's way to personal wealth on discrimination lawsuits". Pity their cases - yep cases - always go against them.

One could argue that, but it still seems like people are scapegoating her for all of reddit's problems. You only need to look at the **** some of the admins have come out with to see that, just look at the pants-on-head-stupid response to this whole debacle that one of the admins gave: "Popcorn tastes good", or many of the other long standing issues the moderators have had with the admins going back years

[Deleted User]

Just finished reading Tatum's one for the Nth time. I love it when you tell that someone is really enjoying themselves and actually let's loose. I'll read Radcliffe's now. Love that guy.

Herpes Cineplex

bnt wrote: »

I don't care for most topics discussed on Boards, but you don't see me jumping in to e.g. GAA threads, trying to tell people that my apathy means they shouldn't be interested themselves.

If you don't care for most of the topics on Boards.ie, then why don't you leave? It certainly would be better than whining about Boards.ie and then being a poster boy for another site on here. It's the constant plugs for a rubbish site that irks people.

Whatsisname

Deleted User wrote: »

Agreed. Switch to the top ones of all time and you get -

Obama, Gordon Ramsay (who actually gave a struggling chef an internship in one of his restaurants during it), Bill Gates, David Attenborough, Elon Musk, Edward Snowden. And that really is a small portion of some of the most famous and influential people in the world.

Where else in the world do you get the opportunity to ask Bill Gates a direct question and have him answer it personally?

You might not like Reddit, but you can't deny it's cultural and even sociological importance.

And just because it's my favourite AMA, here's Channing Tatum.

https://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/3a7irw/i_am_channing_tatum_ama/

I must also add, Daniel Radcliffe, Chris Pratt, Aaron Paul and Bryan Cranston all had fantastic ones!

[Deleted User]

Whatsisname wrote: »

Anyone who questions reddit usefulness needs to go onto the top tab in r/IAmA and read until their little heart is content. Fascinating subreddit and fascinating site.

Agreed. Switch to the top ones of all time and you get -

Obama, Gordon Ramsay (who actually gave a struggling chef an internship in one of his restaurants during it), Bill Gates, David Attenborough, Elon Musk, Edward Snowden. And that really is a small portion of some of the most famous and influential people in the world.

Where else in the world do you get the opportunity to ask Bill Gates a direct question and have him answer it personally?

You might not like Reddit, but you can't deny it's cultural and even sociological importance.

And just because it's my favourite AMA, here's Channing Tatum.

https://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/3a7irw/i_am_channing_tatum_ama/

Whatsisname

Anyone who questions reddit usefulness needs to go onto the top tab in r/IAmA and read until their little heart is content. Fascinating subreddit and fascinating site.

strelok

Deleted User wrote: »

It is by far and away the most stimulating site online. Have an interest in absolutely anything and the community is there.

what about hating fat people

[Deleted User]

Fairly entertaining day on Reddit and I'm with the mods on this one.. The AMA had the president of the United States on it and suddenly, the contact is gone without any sort of support to others.

People who don't get Reddit.. Fine. Boardsies who have been using the same vBulletin software for ten years not giving it a chance? Mad.

It is by far and away the most stimulating site online. Have an interest in absolutely anything and the community is there.

recylingbin

Links234 wrote: »

Referencing the movie "Clueless" because the reddit admins are clueless, gettit?

Nope.
But think you missed a trick not saying 'geddit'

Wibbs

Links234 wrote: »

I got a lot of sympathy for Ellen Pao too,

I don't, one could argue she's a right chancer that wan, as is her husband. They could well write a book entitled "How to ease one's way to personal wealth on discrimination lawsuits". Pity their cases - yep cases - always go against them.

Turtyturd wrote: »

As in go against the site owners?

Heh, if this happened on boards mods would be falling over themselves to praise their overlords for firing her.

You'd be surprised. More than once in the past when for example the admins were perceived as heavy handed the user base including a load of mods asked WTF? And publicly. The Dispute resolution forum sprang from one such case. The Poker forum "incident" back in the day caused quite the bit of what the hell stuff on both sides. These days I can't see it happening to the same degree, not unless there was a major change to how the site operated coming down the line. 1) Boards has become more professional and honed over the years and better for it 2) with the rise of other social media outlets, including reddit and voat and who ever I'd say the deeper bond with the site and community has lessened somewhat, so fewer people would feel they had a horse in the race.

Links234

recylingbin wrote: »

Can someone who speaks whatever this is translate the first, second and third paragraphs into a language that normal people speak?
Thanks.

Referencing the movie "Clueless" because the reddit admins are clueless, gettit?

recylingbin

bnt wrote: »

Went on Reddit this morning, and thought I had travelled back in time to 1995, the year Alicia Silverstone would, like, totally pause for Stop signs. Rage-quitting, subreddits going "dark" (private), and general first-world-problem whining. All because the lady who organised AMA (Ask Me Anything) interviews has been laid off from Reddit without advance notice. Here's one version of the story on Reddit.

I really thought the Internet had reached a level of professionalism and maturity where this kind of thing didn't happen any more. In a way, it's kind-of reassuring to see that the old Clueless spirit is still alive and kicking.

"Do you have any idea what you're talking about?"
"No. Why, does it sound like I do?"

Can someone who speaks whatever this is translate the first, second and third paragraphs into a language that normal people speak?
Thanks.

Enjoy Heroin Responsibly

Links234 wrote: »

Reddit's racism problem is far, far more extreme than anything you'd find on boards

Generally its the more subtle racists who are the most insidious .

bnt

Links234 wrote: »

No, but boards doesn't have a forum called "Gas The Kikes" or "Coontown"

It would if normal users had the ability to create their own forums. They wouldn't last very long, due to the paternalistic moderation and the regulatory environment here, but if people could try it, you know they would ... :eek:

Tomagotchye

Tar.Aldarion wrote: »

The upvote/downvote system is great for the best posts going to the top, other forums you have to merely read things in order. (still have that choice on reddit)

The "best" posts....or the most popular posts? It's a rating system, it doesn't know quality.

Links234

Enjoy Heroin Responsibly wrote: »

Racism is hardly unknown around these parts .........?

No, but boards doesn't have a forum called "Gas The Kikes" or "Coontown"

Reddit's racism problem is far, far more extreme than anything you'd find on boards

steve_r

My main experience of Reddit was because of the Serial podcast. There’s a discussion thread on boards on it, but it only ran a few pages. In contrast, acres of coverage were done on the Serial subreddit.

However, the forum became derailed by people who held strong views (he either did it, or didn’t do it). They downvoted everything that disagreed with them, and upvoted everything that agreed with them. The moderation was also agenda driven, and people set up a separate subreddit in protest. All the while the conversation here on boards (in our sadly too-quiet podcast forum:() continued along with the same opinions being voiced, but in a much more civil fashion.

Upvoting can be very useful, but it can also be abused. Downvoting is a bigger risk because it allows people to smoother a conversation if there’s something they don’t want to hear.

I often filter boards by “thanks” because it throws up a lot of very good posts. It does however, throw up a lot of “popular opinion” stuff – it’s the voice of the majority and that’s not always the best thing.

[Deleted User]

Yes, Reddit management have a right to decide how it is run, the same that the users have a right to fight against it. And, if you've gone on the site today, you'll notice that their decision had backfired massively.

Earthhorse

Magico Gonzalez wrote: »

You are telling me that we don't really know the reasons she was fired for, then in the next paragraph telling why she was fired !

Nope. I'm discussing the third reason you gave for her being fired because it's the only one they haven't denied.

Details aside, reddit has a right to run their website as the snr mgmt see fit, if there is a difference of opinion, and one which might potentially be aired publically and generate noise and resistance in the user base then I'm afraid I understand the need for a swift dismissal.

Of course they have the right to run things how they see fit but that doesn't mean they run them well or are above criticism for the way they run things. If concern over public airing and noise generation was the reason for the swift dismissal then it has spectacularly backfired.

I would hope that what has happened is immediate gardening leave, payment of notice followed up by a swift NDA to ensure no further discussion. I would view that as fair.

Certainly it would be fairer but it's odd (though consistent with their poor communication) that they haven't said she's on paid notice as this would somewhat improve public perception as things stand.

bnt

Vandango wrote: »

And you don't understand that this is Boards.ie and most Boarsdies couldn't give a crap about that shyte site.

I don't care for most topics discussed on Boards, but you don't see me jumping in to e.g. GAA threads, trying to tell people that my apathy means they shouldn't be interested themselves.

KungPao

Fantastic website, hope they get their act together.

Enjoy Heroin Responsibly

Links234 wrote: »

Reddit still has an insane amount of racist, neo Nazi subs, that hasn't gone anywhere.

Racism is hardly unknown around these parts .........?

Caliden

Retrovertigo wrote: »

4chan a good website? :pac::pac::pac:

get out of /b/ and it is

catallus

fedor.2. wrote: »

The fact that you refer to yourself, and others, as " boardsies" makes me cringe

What about their revelling in their sinfulness? Their enabling of self-confirming modalities? The deleteriousness of their nescience?

It is far, far indeed, from 4chan we are.