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  • #9542
    frazzledhome
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,278 ✭✭✭frazzledhome


    Greengrass1 wrote: »
    I'm not so sure on that one jay.
    We're 30% autumn calvers here and we supply 16% of our milk this yr in may and June and always have.
    Autumn calving has very little influence on our peak here.

    We're considering getting rid of autumn calving and just milk on.

    You're milking all winter so you can supply 40% in June if you please as winter guys are exempt


  • #9543
    frazzledhome
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,278 ✭✭✭frazzledhome


    I cannot see seasonality being an issue as now that quotas are gone the slow learners will milk for the winter without a bonus in place.


  • #9544
    Greengrass1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,493 ✭✭✭Greengrass1


    frazzledhome wrote: »
    You're milking all winter so you can supply 40% in June if you please as winter guys are exempt

    I don't get what you mean.
    we'll still milk on and keep our baileys just jan is the prob if we have alot calving in feb


  • #9545
    frazzledhome
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,278 ✭✭✭frazzledhome


    Greengrass1 wrote: »
    I don't get what you mean.
    we'll still milk on and keep our baileys just jan is the prob if we have alot calving in feb

    Winter and liquid suppliers are not effected by seasonality


  • #9546
    Milked out
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,433 ✭✭✭Milked out


    frazzledhome wrote: »
    Winter and liquid suppliers are not effected by seasonality

    Afaik it's the same in DG, however I wouldn't be surprised if the winter milk scheme here was done away with soon alot of our milk in Dec and jan headed for arrabawn or Ballyraggart the last few years


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  • #9547
    Deepsouthwest
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,282 ✭✭✭Deepsouthwest


    keep going wrote: »
    A word of caution as regards the clover trial.first this is some of the abest land that exist in ideal l8cation for clover growth, they had problems getting rid of it in the blocks they didnt want it .secondly its not a trial on clover replacing nitrogen,all paddocks are receiving full nitrogen allowance and thirdly its a 5 year trial.clover always increased intakes the problem is it often lets you down when you need it most.the extra production did it come from extra dm produced or increased intakes

    Not entirely accurate, it's not about reducing N in the clonakilty trials because the four different all have to be treated exactly the same. It's in the Moorepark clover trials that theyre finding it grows as much as a grass sward with 100 units of N less. That's some saving.
    I'm not Mr Pro-Clover by any means, in fact I've spent the last few yrs ordering grass seed mixes with the clover taken out. But it's the v narrowminded who could just dismiss these results so quickly. Not u, keep going!


  • #9548
    keep going
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,551 ✭✭✭keep going


    Deepsouthwest wrote: »
    Not entirely accurate, it's not about reducing N in the clonakilty trials because the four different all have to be treated exactly the same. It's in the Moorepark clover trials that theyre finding it's as much as a grass award with 100 units of N less. That's some saving.
    I'm not Mr Pro-Clover by any means, in fact I've spent the last few yrs ordering grass seed mixes with the clover taken out. But it's the v narrowminded who could just dismiss these results so quickly. Not u, keep going!
    e

    My bad I didnt realise there was another clover trial in moorpark.last time we were in clon they were worried about the grass seed dying out due to clover dominance insome paddocks.clover bring another layer to the management of a farm but maybe with research they come with a system or techniques which simplifies the running of clover swards.btw clover grows quite well here as we are always tight on grass


  • #9549
    Greengrass1
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    http://www.farmersjournal.ie/temperatures-to-drop-and-rain-to-spread-184503/

    Plenty of rain on the way :D


  • #9550
    frazzledhome
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    Greengrass1 wrote: »
    http://www.farmersjournal.ie/temperatures-to-drop-and-rain-to-spread-184503/

    Plenty of rain on the way :D

    Yumyum


  • #9551
    jaymla627
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,124 ✭✭✭jaymla627


    Looking at the latest edition of irish dairy farmer and their's some cases where debt levels seem to be absolutely staggering, but looking through it the debt level per cow and cost of servicing these debts in low price years dosent seem to of been discussed/highlighted at all...
    Jk is a great man to jump on high yielding herds carrying nice debt levels per cow but their isn't a peep out of him about the dangers of buying big chunks of land to milk cows of, its really poor journalism and misleading when no figures are put on these type of operations which leads normal lads from the outside looking in thinking they can't be up to a whole lot compared to these type of operations


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  • #9552
    Greengrass1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,493 ✭✭✭Greengrass1


    jaymla627 wrote: »
    Looking at the latest edition of irish dairy farmer and their's some cases where debt levels seem to be absolutely staggering, but looking through it the debt level per cow and cost of servicing these debts in low price years dosent seem to of been discussed/highlighted at all...
    Jk is a great man to jump on high yielding herds carrying nice debt levels per cow but their isn't a peep out of him about the dangers of buying big chunks of land to milk cows of, its really poor journalism and misleading when no figures are put on these type of operations which leads normal lads from the outside looking in thinking they can't be up to a whole lot compared to these type of operations

    I haven't read it so can't really comment
    but lads might have high debt per cow but it could be over a very long period making them.manageable like a mortgage for land over 25 yrs


  • #9553
    Milked out
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,433 ✭✭✭Milked out


    Generally most long term debt would be planned on average price over a number of years not based on a peak or trough as they will always happen. I know BOI have an option of going interest only fir 12 months, once u talk to banks they may try and work with u a bit. Would still prefer if they would budge a bit with their interest rates tho..


  • #9554
    Greengrass1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,493 ✭✭✭Greengrass1


    Milked out wrote: »
    Generally most long term debt would be planned on average price over a number of years not based on a peak or trough as they will always happen. I know BOI have an option of going interest only fir 12 months, once u talk to banks they may try and work with u a bit. Would still pr7efer if they would budge a bit with their interest rates tho..

    What interest rates are they talking atm?
    We had thrm.out a few wks ago and they sent out figs with 3.5%


  • #9555
    WheatenBriar
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,170 ✭✭✭WheatenBriar


    Greengrass1 wrote: »
    My vet says it's more accurate because dung is not accurate fir hoose which is what really hits 1st lac hard

    Doctors differ I suppose regarding the milk test


  • #9556
    td5man
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,082 ✭✭✭td5man


    WheatenBriar wrote: »
    Doctors differ I suppose regarding the milk test

    Anyone using milk sampling instead of scanning?


  • #9557
    whelan2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,750 ✭✭✭✭whelan2


    td5man wrote: »
    Anyone using milk sampling instead of scanning?

    If it comes back negative would ya not still have to get her scanned/ handled to see why she's not?


  • #9558
    mahoney_j
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,705 ✭✭✭✭mahoney_j


    Greengrass1 wrote: »
    What interest rates are they talking atm?
    We had thrm.out a few wks ago and they sent out figs with 3.5%

    3.5% ????.whos your manager there want a chat with him/her quick.!!!loan I'm taking out for cubicles etc is 5.7% .


  • #9559
    mahoney_j
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,705 ✭✭✭✭mahoney_j


    td5man wrote: »
    Anyone using milk sampling instead of scanning?

    It's handy if u only want a pregnancy diagnosis but it won't tell u how long and if empty why.


  • #9560
    Greengrass1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,493 ✭✭✭Greengrass1


    mahoney_j wrote: »
    3.5% ????.whos your manager there want a chat with him/her quick.!!!loan I'm taking out for cubicles etc is 5.7% .

    Ah it'd be different from just a loan for yard improvemens iykwim
    Whole lot job


  • #9561
    Greengrass1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,493 ✭✭✭Greengrass1


    mahoney_j wrote: »
    It's handy if u only want a pregnancy diagnosis but it won't tell u how long and if empty why.

    Did it last yr. every cow we sent was empty and every cow we kept was incalf any way. All AI so know when they will calve any way.
    Write down any cow you see bulling after breeding is over and just test them. Don't test whole herd


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  • #9562
    mahoney_j
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,705 ✭✭✭✭mahoney_j


    Greengrass1 wrote: »
    Ah it'd be different from just a loan for yard improvemens iykwim
    Whole lot job

    Land purchase I think was circa 4.5%


  • #9563
    Greengrass1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,493 ✭✭✭Greengrass1


    mahoney_j wrote: »
    Land purchase I think was circa 4.5%

    I'd say it would be higher if we go ahead with it depends on cost of funds on the day I suppose


  • #9564
    darragh_haven
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,433 ✭✭✭darragh_haven


    mahoney_j wrote: »
    3.5% ????.whos your manager there want a chat with him/her quick.!!!loan I'm taking out for cubicles etc is 5.7% .

    Got a loan from BOI a few months back at slightly under 4%. Similar work to you MJ


  • #9565
    Milked out
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,433 ✭✭✭Milked out


    Greengrass1 wrote: »
    What interest rates are they talking atm?
    We had thrm.out a few wks ago and they sent out figs with 3.5%

    4.5 for land purchase, over a year ago now i spose, anything under 100k was closer to 6 I think. I couldn't get them any lower but we didn't have a great bargaining position as had to restructure existing debt.


  • #9566
    jaymla627
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,124 ✭✭✭jaymla627


    Greengrass1 wrote: »
    I haven't read it so can't really comment
    but lads might have high debt per cow but it could be over a very long period making them.manageable like a mortgage for land over 25 yrs

    In one case their's over 5 million euros worth of land involved all bought recently and fully converted from greenfield to dairying....
    One 255 acre block of ground was bought for over 3 million in the boom years and a further 800,000 spent developing it from cash flow, on a 25 year mortgage on this amount alone at 4 % intrest repayments are 16,000 a month before taking into account capital repayments are made from post tax profits.
    At current milk prices taking a average of 27 cent/litre 711,000 litres are needed just to service these repayments, something like 280 cows are being milked at a average of 5,000 litres a cow total production is around 1.4 million litres so basically half of gross output goes to service debt with milk at 27 cent


  • #9567
    RightTurnClyde
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    jaymla627 wrote: »
    In one case their's over 5 million euros worth of land involved all bought recently and fully converted from greenfield to dairying....
    One 255 acre block of ground was bought for over 3 million in the boom years and a further 800,000 spent developing it from cash flow, on a 25 year mortgage on this amount alone at 4 % intrest repayments are 16,000 a month before taking into account capital repayments are made from post tax profits.
    At current milk prices taking a average of 27 cent/litre 711,000 litres are needed just to service these repayments, something like 280 cows are being milked at a average of 5,000 litres a cow total production is around 1.4 million litres so basically half of gross output goes to service debt with milk at 27 cent

    But....the other 220 cows are knocking out 12,500 a month. So he's making €150,000 (and 250 acres paid for) a year just by having ball of steel.
    (PS..wouldn't be my cup of tea. Celtic tiger economics )


  • #9568
    jaymla627
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,124 ✭✭✭jaymla627


    RightTurnClyde wrote: »
    But....the other 220 cows are knocking out 12,500 a month. So he's making €150,000 (and 250 acres paid for) a year just by having ball of steel.
    (PS..wouldn't be my cup of tea. Celtic tiger economics )

    You can turn the figures a thousand different ways with the debt levels involved in these operations milk sub 30 cent was never factored into the equation for any sustained period, wonder are the loans fixed our variable imagen trying to service that loan if your intrest rate was raised a 2-3%


  • #9569
    Dawggone
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,506 ✭✭✭Dawggone


    mahoney_j wrote: »
    Land purchase I think was circa 4.5%

    Banks are taking ye for a ride.
    Financed some metal today 1.35% for 5yrs.
    Land/property is 1.8% fixed for 10yrs.


  • #9570
    mahoney_j
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,705 ✭✭✭✭mahoney_j


    Dawggone wrote: »
    Banks are taking ye for a ride.
    Financed some metal today 1.35% for 5yrs.
    Land/property is 1.8% fixed for 10yrs.

    Will u go away to fook back to France and don't be depressing us with your good milk price and nearly free money!!',


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  • #9571
    Dawggone
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,506 ✭✭✭Dawggone


    mahoney_j wrote: »
    Will u go away to fook back to France and don't be depressing us with your good milk price and nearly free money!!',

    I'm expecting a major milk price drop from September. They have to pay for it now because the summer months here would be the same as the irish winter months, production wise.
    This is the first time that they haven't quoted for three months in advance....
    However grain price is rising fast...:)


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