ISIL sends video message to Hamas threatening over their disapproval of Salafists

ElvisChrist6 · 02-07-2015 03:16PM #1

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2015/07/isil-warns-hamas-video-message-150701042302630.html

The Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (ISIL) group has threatened the Palestinian armed group Hamas, vowing to end the faction's rule in the territory.
In a 16-minute long video shared by social media accounts sympathetic to ISIL on Wednesday, fighters based in Syria's Aleppo province condemned Hamas for its crackdown on Salafist groups in the Gaza Strip, and its failure to implement a rigid enough interpretation of Islamic law.

"The point of jihad is not to liberate land ... but jihad as defined by God, is fighting for and implementing the law of God," said one masked fighter, who further condemned Hamas for its dealings with Iran and Lebanese Shia movement Hezbollah, as well as "nationalist", "secularist", and "communist" factions.

"They raise their children to respect this (Palestinian) flag," the fighter said, telling Palestinians that Hamas could not secure their freedom.

I think even the most militant zionist can respect Hamas for their crackdown on the likes of ISIL etc. ISIL are turning on their own people (not for the first time); that is the ones who struggle the most.

wes · 02-07-2015 03:22PM

Hamas have always been a Nationalist organization mixed with Religion, and ISIL pretty much hates everyone, including any other Islamist organizations.

fleet_admiral · 02-07-2015 03:22PM

What annoys me about them is they cant choose what their name is. Is it IS, ISIL, or ISIS
Come on lads, get your terrorist fingers out

Magico Gonzalez · 02-07-2015 03:24PM

I imagine their objective is to draw Israel into the whole mess which would be no good for anyone.

02-07-2015 03:26PM

Pfffft, when terrorists fall out...

Hamas have had a long history of turning on their own people, shooting them, sending their kids down digging tunnels, forcing them to remain in buildings despite warnings of incoming fire, throwing them off rooftops, dragging them behind cars, tolerating honour killings and so on and on and on.

I wouldn't give any Islamic terrorists praise just because they don't burn people in cages like ISIS.

Nodin · 02-07-2015 03:28PM

fleet_admiral wrote: »

What annoys me about them is they cant choose what their name is. Is it IS, ISIL, or ISIS
Come on lads, get your terrorist fingers out

Persecuting people for following the wrong Islam leaves little time for a brainstorming session to bring the matter to a conclusion.

Not a NSA agent · 02-07-2015 03:29PM

I wonder if those idiots who expect a written apology from every muslim any time a muslim litters assume hamas support this until they say something condemning IS.

02-07-2015 03:31PM

Not a NSA agent wrote: »

I wonder if those idiots who expect a written apology from every muslim any time a muslim litters assume hamas support this until they say something condemning IS.

Who wants a written apology from every Muslim?

SEPT 23 1989 · 02-07-2015 03:34PM

Magico Gonzalez wrote: »

I imagine their objective is to draw Israel into the whole mess which would be no good for anyone.

IDF v ISIL would be quite a battle

Nodin · 02-07-2015 03:34PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Who wants a written apology from every Muslim?

All muslims are expected to condemn anything any other muslim or muslims do. Usually a statement (written) is expected be it via the internet or elsewhere. Failure to do so means they silently condone whatever outrage they haven't condemned, while doing so means that yes, they are all the one.

NachoBusiness · 02-07-2015 03:35PM

Can't stand Hamas. Well, chick peas in general.

Nodin · 02-07-2015 03:36PM

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

IDF v ISIL would be quite a battle

Can't imagine so. Taking on a properly motivated and equipped army is a bit different to what they've been up against elsewhere.

Saipanne · 02-07-2015 03:39PM

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

IDF v ISIL would be quite a battle

And very one sided. Israel are a force to be reckoned with and have defended their land even when multiple Arab armies attempted to break them.

Not forgetting their American weaponry and nukes.

Micky Dolenz · 02-07-2015 03:42PM

It's only a matter of time before Israel are forced into action. Every bordering region has a lot of IS action going on.

ElvisChrist6 · 02-07-2015 03:45PM

Micky Dolenz wrote: »

It's only a matter of time before Israel are forced into action. Every bordering region has a lot of IS action going on.

As hard as it is for me to support Israeli action, that'd be one thing I'd love to see happen.

Magico Gonzalez · 02-07-2015 03:46PM

Saipanne wrote: »

And very one sided. Israel are a force to be reckoned with and have defended their land even when multiple Arab armies attempted to break them.

Not forgetting their American weaponry and nukes.

They'd move them out of Palestine quickly enough, but they'd simply retreat and return. IS aren't really interested in Palestinian borders, they have a more general goal. It'd be a long fight and would probably involve IDF incursions in Syria and maybe further afield. That's when the trouble would really start.

How far would they chase them? I´ve never heard the Israeli perspective on IS. Right now they seem to be able to ignore it, but one wonders for how long?

OneOfThem · 02-07-2015 03:49PM

Could someone be so kind as to explain to me why any nation that opposes ISIL doesn't just send in a couple of squadrons of fighter bombers and wipe them off the face of the earth? A couple dozen Su-24s or F-18's or what have you should make short work of things surely?

Is this a stupid question?

Micky Dolenz · 02-07-2015 03:54PM

OneOfThem wrote: »

Could someone be so kind as to explain to me why any nation that opposes ISIL doesn't just send in a couple of squadrons of fighter bombers and wipe them off the face of the earth? A couple dozen Su-24s or F-18's or what have you should make short work of things surely?

Is this a stupid question?

Many countries have been doing this for the last few months. Air attack will only go so far. Troops on the ground are needed to gain and maintain control. No one seems to have te appetite for a long and expensive ground war.

OneOfThem · 02-07-2015 03:57PM

Micky Dolenz wrote: »

Many countries have been doing this for the last few months. Air attack will only go so far. Troops on the ground are needed to gain and maintain control. No one seems to have te appetite for a long and expensive ground war.

I see. Why do they only get you so far though? Surely dead is dead? Do they respawn after a certain amount of time?

Magico Gonzalez · 02-07-2015 03:57PM

OneOfThem wrote: »

Could someone be so kind as to explain to me why any nation that opposes ISIL doesn't just send in a couple of squadrons of fighter bombers and wipe them off the face of the earth? A couple dozen Su-24s or F-18's or what have you should make short work of things surely?

Is this a stupid question?

Bombing from the air might work against encamped armies but it's tricky with a guerilla force like ISIS. The casualties in the captive populations would be tremendous and would probably only serve to strengthen their local support.

A trained local Army needs to win a ground campaign, Syria have failed. Iran and Israel if provoked might fair better. Iraq is false construct, the army even moreso, they haven't the stomach for the fight.

Magico Gonzalez · 02-07-2015 03:59PM

OneOfThem wrote: »

I see. Why do they only get you so far though? Surely dead is dead? Do they respawn after a certain amount of time?

Effectively yes, you kill the people who are located where small groups of IS fighters are and you recruit their family, youtube video watchers, neighbours etc.

In all likelihood these Salafists are from a variety of countries and they continue to pour into the region. They aren't encamped in large bases and don't have an airforce to attack.

Their primitive nature makes them harder to target and easier to confuse with innocents.

OneOfThem · 02-07-2015 04:00PM

Magico Gonzalez wrote: »

Bombing from the air might work against encamped armies but it's tricky with a guerilla force like ISIS. The casualties in the captive populations would be tremendous and would probably only serve to strengthen their local support.

A trained local Army needs to win a ground campaign, Syria have failed. Iran and Israel if provoked might fair better. Iraq is false construct, the army even moreso, they haven't the stomach for the fight.

Ah right. They live amongst the non ISIL people in towns and things? That makes sense. And should have been obvious I guess. I don't brain so good sometimes.

Magico Gonzalez · 02-07-2015 04:01PM

OneOfThem wrote: »

Ah right. They live amongst the non ISIL people in towns and things? That makes sense. And should have been obvious I guess. I don't brain so good sometimes.

I'm only speculating, but that's my take on it. Otherwise they'd be long gone.

Micky Dolenz · 02-07-2015 04:02PM

OneOfThem wrote: »

I see. Why do they only get you so far though? Surely dead is dead? Do they respawn after a certain amount of time?

There are many of them and while air strikes may be useful to take out resource buildings and the like, I assume they must not have high personal counts.

The other problem is, IS are spread over many different regions, foreign forces couldn't possibly occupy them all with out great expense and causing fraction with neighbouring regions.

02-07-2015 04:02PM

I just wish the media would stop reporting on ISIS propaganda material. They're all just furthering this group of monster's cause.

Micky Dolenz · 02-07-2015 04:05PM

Magico Gonzalez wrote: »

I'm only speculating, but that's my take on it. Otherwise they'd be long gone.

And IS is an ideology. Hard to fight that. Whole cities and towns may buy into the ideology but most would be passive (civil population) with a few (thousands) that fight.

xxyyzz · 02-07-2015 04:06PM

ElvisChrist6 wrote: »

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2015/07/isil-warns-hamas-video-message-150701042302630.html

I think even the most militant zionist can respect Hamas for their crackdown on the likes of ISIL etc. ISIL are turning on their own people (not for the first time); that is the ones who struggle the most.

That God fellah is an awful bollo*ks

Harry Palmr · 02-07-2015 04:07PM

Deleted User wrote: »

I just wish the media would stop reporting on ISIS propaganda material. They're all just furthering this group of monster's cause.

THIS THIS THIS

Every ****ing time someone from ISIL/ISIS/IS/whateverthefvck farts its accompanied by clips of propaganda. I'm not saying ignore them but play them down as much as possible - do it like the news programmes had to 30-40 years ago - a fuzzy still image over the newsreaders shoulder in a 30 second item and then move on.

ElvisChrist6 · 02-07-2015 04:10PM

Micky Dolenz wrote: »

And IS is an ideology. Hard to fight that. Whole cities and towns may buy into the ideology but most would be passive (civil population) with a few (thousands) that fight.

That's one important point. As well as some martyrdom that comes with it, more will join in along with the new recruitees becoming part of it all the time.

entropi · 02-07-2015 04:31PM

OneOfThem wrote: »

Ah right. They live amongst the non ISIL people in towns and things? That makes sense. And should have been obvious I guess. I don't brain so good sometimes.

Guerilla warfare. Live and fight amongst the resident population. Have some buildings as safehouses but never stay in the one building too long etc. They have a more nomadic way of movement, recruitment (seize town/city, make them submit and move on, while leaving behind a small amount of enforcers) and attack strategy. If you can't find them holed up in specific areas, its harder to find them and eradicate them.

Harry Palmr wrote: »

THIS THIS THIS

Every ****ing time someone from ISIL/ISIS/IS/whateverthefvck farts its accompanied by clips of propaganda. I'm not saying ignore them but play them down as much as possible - do it like the news programmes had to 30-40 years ago - a fuzzy still image over the newsreaders shoulder in a 30 second item and then move on.

But Fox and Sky News would have nothing left to report on if this happened :pac:

If a sizeable incursion occurred in either/or Israel and Iran, there would be a significant response from either side. Iran has a large ground force with over a million reservists and half million or so active personnel (irrespective of their ageing land and air power, they could still put up a good fight). Israel themselves have almost cutting edge equipment, training and firepower, with a sizeable ground force.

If anything, it would make for one hell of a fireworks show.

OneOfThem · 02-07-2015 04:41PM

Hmm. Israel would seem to be in a position to gain a lot by going in all guns blazing? They have international PR issues pretty much globally. Imagine if they took down ISIL? That'd be quite a shot in the arm to their reputation? Hamas would be somewhat in their debt. Which would be nice. Might earn them quite a lot of goodwill from the occupied territories? Get to be seen somewhat as liberators of Muslim nations? And they'd be taking out a new and ever more capable looking enemy, that they may end having to deal with at a future date anyway.

Looks like it'd be a win all round for them?

Have ISIL released any official Israel themed statements, out of interest?

ISIL sends video message to Hamas threatening over their disapproval of Salafists

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