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UFC 189 -Chad Mendes v Conor McGregor

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,243 ✭✭✭✭Jesus Wept


    Well said Jose.


  • Posts: 3,598 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Great statement from the champ in all fairness, he's right at the end of the day, you can't come in and beat a guy who Aldo has beaten twice and be called the champ.
    Full training camp I'd take Mendes 9/10 times but the combo of only training for 2-3 weeks plus that reach disadvantage (65" vs 73") makes it difficult to pick him.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,271 ✭✭✭TireeTerror


    I dont follow UFC much at all. When I heard about Aldo officially going out and Mendes stepping in, I assumed it was some chump. I just downloaded and watched UFC 179 there. WOW that was amazing. So even though its disappointing not to see McGregor face Aldo, its still going to be an amazing match and McGregor must be at his best when faced with an athlete like Mendes.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,138 ✭✭✭✭Mellor


    I don't think anybody is acting like that, It's just a fact that McGregor will be more prepared than Mendes.

    People have said it a few times. I'm not suggesting the two weeks notice makes no difference. I'm just pointing out that he hasn't been only training for two week as some suggested.
    Pro fighters train between camps.
    Mr_Muffin wrote: »
    As someone who has only recently jumped on the MMA bandwagon how much of a chance realistically does Mendes have against Conor?

    Is this over before is has even begun for Mendes?
    Not even slightly.
    This is McGregor toughest fight by a long shot.
    ASOT wrote: »
    Great response from Conor there when asked would he like to fight in a stadium in Australia!
    This conference call is like Crocodile Dundee 4 with all the Aussie questions.

    What was the questions?

    Stadium is booked in australia for november 15th. Sunday daytime show to fit the US PPV.
    They're a massive Irish community in australia, he's mad to not consider it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,850 ✭✭✭Depp


    Mellor wrote: »
    People have said it a few times. I'm not suggesting the two weeks notice makes no difference. I'm just pointing out that he hasn't been only training for two week as some suggested.
    Pro fighters train between camps.

    TAM guys are known for maintaining fighting shape all year round, credit where credit is due


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 187 ✭✭goodolegill


    I'm really at a loss to see the odds for this fight. Mc Gregor 4/6 - Mendes 11/8

    History
    Mendes record in the UFC has been amazing, 17 wins and 2 losses. Those losses coming against the champ Aldo
    Of those 17 wins, in the current rankings - he has fought No. 1 (2 losses)(25-1)

    And has beaten the following

    No 4 - Lamas (15-4)
    No 6 - Swanson (21-7)
    No 9 - Lentz (25-7)
    No10 - Guida (32-15)

    Mc Gregor's record - has beaten No 14 Siver (22-11)

    He has beaten Porrier who was No. 5 at the time but has now moved back up to lightweight as he admitted as
    a 180 trying to make 145 left him in too weak a state to compete.

    Mc Gregor has beaten everything that has been put in front of him convincingly but his opposition has been cherry picked
    for him. In a sense it was madness that a guy who has done very little in terms of opposition got the chance for a title fight.
    So in terms of the quality of fighters faced - I'm sure there is little doubt that Mendes has been in with the tougher people,
    therefore he has proved his pedigree. Maybe Conor is in that class but he has yet to prove it.

    Styles

    Looking at styles - this is the wrong match up for McGregor, the opposition he has faced have all wanted to trade blows with
    him and that's been a big mistake. Conor's striking is incredibly good and his shot accuracy is among the best in the division
    and he has punished them in the only way he knows how. But he does drop his hands and takes a lot of risks in his leg striking
    with his balance, from what we see in the gym - his balance looks amazing but Mendes is a guy who finished SIXTH in NCAA
    wrestling championship.
    This guy is a wrestler first and a mma fighter second, his explosive burst from his back foot to
    the drive is phenomenal and that will be his sole purpose of the night to get Conor on the ground.

    Granted Mendes has only had 2 - 3 weeks training camp to get ready for this fight but also Conor's gameplan has been thrown
    out the window. Aldo was gonna be happy to trade shots with McGregor but Mendes knows with the reach advantage - he
    can't afford to do that. The odds are crazy, I would of had them both a pick'em at 10/11 but now i'll be lumping on Mendes,
    Mc Gregor's two losses have been submissions granted a few years ago but they were fairly quick and routine while Chad has
    lost twice - once where he walked onto a savage Aldo knee and secondly in a close WAR against Aldo which was fight of the
    year.

    People are getting led by the nose to think Conor is the second coming from what he has done so far

    He has fought weak opposition
    Lost twice to submissions
    He is fighting a guy who is his Kryptinite in an all american wrestler
    Leaves that chin exposed to a guy whose standup has got better

    11/8 is begging to be backed


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 892 ✭✭✭Just a little Samba


    scudzilla wrote: »
    Statement from Aldo

    For three months, I trained three times a day. I invested my time and money, bringing training partners from Brazil and other countries, to do the best training camp of my life so I would be ready to defend by belt for the eighth time on July 11. Unfortunately, I fractured my rib during a training session, which I can prove from an official medical report, and besides trying my best to fight, I was forced the other way and that made me really sad. Only I, my family, coaches and teammates know how hard I worked to represent Brazil again.

    My decision was made in respect to the UFC and the fans that today see me as the best pound-for-pound fighter in the world. I couldn’t fight without being 100 percent physically and with a rib injury that could get worse if I got hit in the ribs. Many people told me to fight anyway because of the money I could make, but I wouldn’t sell myself for any money, no matter how much. I fight for love and I do it for my country. Money comes in second place, it’s like a shadow: when you try catching it, you can’t, but when you move forward, it follows you. Money ends some day, but legacy and things you do becomes part of the history, and that’s what I value the most.

    I’m the UFC champion since April 2011, defended my belt seven times in four years, and will do it for the eighth time in 2015, an average of twice a year. And I’m not even mentioning WEC, a Zuffa-owned company, like the UFC, where I became the champion in 2009 and put my belt on the line twice in less than a year. That why I can’t agree with UFC’s decision to have an interim champion in my division citing the five opportunities that I couldn’t defend my belt.

    If those fights had occurred, I would have done 12 title fights in four years in the UFC, an average of three fights a year, something that no other UFC champion did. A UFC champion rarely does three title defenses in one year. So that can’t be the main reason why they are creating an interim title, but the UFC is a private company which I work for, so I can’t complain about its decision, but I can’t say I agree either.

    As of my opponent, who told me to step up and fight like a man, I can’t say anything about a man that imitates a TV series character (Travis Fimmel, from Vikings). That’s really who he wanted to be, because he’s probably ashamed of being who he really is, so he imitates his lines, his style and this actor’s tattoos. He’s an artist, but not from martial arts, but cheap comedy. It’s disrespectful with the actor, and with real athletes. He should look for a stage and not an Octagon. The Octagon is my kingdom and there’s place for only one king, which is me. If he wants to participate, he can be the joker he already is.

    If he beats Chad Mendes, the only thing he will have is a toy belt to show his friends, drunk in his country’s bars, because that’s what an interim belt represents to me: a toy. I am the champion.


    What a tit

    That's a very poor translation.
    I'm a fluent Spanish speaker who is competent in Portuguese and even I can see through the hatche job that translation is.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,511 ✭✭✭Old Perry


    That's a very poor translation.
    I'm a fluent Spanish speaker who is competent in Portuguese and even I can see through the hatche job that translation is.

    let us know the differences please if ya can, id be curious to know.

    tbf however this ends it works for the ufc. if conor loses then mendes v aldo.3 wil get huge hype and conors story will continue. this really would be a big fight for mendes to lose.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,541 ✭✭✭Davei141


    That statement was brilliant! Good man Jose, the hype if Conor beats Mendes is going to go through the roof.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 892 ✭✭✭Just a little Samba


    Old Perry wrote: »
    let us know the differences please if ya can, id be curious to know.

    tbf however this ends it works for the ufc. if conor loses then mendes v aldo.3 wil get huge hype and conors story will continue. this really would be a big fight for mendes to lose.

    Its just a bad translation that makes Aldo seem inarticulate. It's very word for word, which just doesn't work for Latin languages and English.

    I might be a,little harsh, I read the English version first and thought it read horribly and then read the original statement on Portuguese and thought "That's far less awkward ".


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,681 ✭✭✭JustTheOne


    I'm really at a loss to see the odds for this fight. Mc Gregor 4/6 - Mendes 11/8

    History
    Mendes record in the UFC has been amazing, 17 wins and 2 losses. Those losses coming against the champ Aldo
    Of those 17 wins, in the current rankings - he has fought No. 1 (2 losses)(25-1)

    And has beaten the following

    No 4 - Lamas (15-4)
    No 6 - Swanson (21-7)
    No 9 - Lentz (25-7)
    No10 - Guida (32-15)

    Mc Gregor's record - has beaten No 14 Siver (22-11)

    He has beaten Porrier who was No. 5 at the time but has now moved back up to lightweight as he admitted as
    a 180 trying to make 145 left him in too weak a state to compete.

    Mc Gregor has beaten everything that has been put in front of him convincingly but his opposition has been cherry picked
    for him. In a sense it was madness that a guy who has done very little in terms of opposition got the chance for a title fight.
    So in terms of the quality of fighters faced - I'm sure there is little doubt that Mendes has been in with the tougher people,
    therefore he has proved his pedigree. Maybe Conor is in that class but he has yet to prove it.

    Styles

    Looking at styles - this is the wrong match up for McGregor, the opposition he has faced have all wanted to trade blows with
    him and that's been a big mistake. Conor's striking is incredibly good and his shot accuracy is among the best in the division
    and he has punished them in the only way he knows how. But he does drop his hands and takes a lot of risks in his leg striking
    with his balance, from what we see in the gym - his balance looks amazing but Mendes is a guy who finished SIXTH in NCAA
    wrestling championship.
    This guy is a wrestler first and a mma fighter second, his explosive burst from his back foot to
    the drive is phenomenal and that will be his sole purpose of the night to get Conor on the ground.

    Granted Mendes has only had 2 - 3 weeks training camp to get ready for this fight but also Conor's gameplan has been thrown
    out the window. Aldo was gonna be happy to trade shots with McGregor but Mendes knows with the reach advantage - he
    can't afford to do that. The odds are crazy, I would of had them both a pick'em at 10/11 but now i'll be lumping on Mendes,
    Mc Gregor's two losses have been submissions granted a few years ago but they were fairly quick and routine while Chad has
    lost twice - once where he walked onto a savage Aldo knee and secondly in a close WAR against Aldo which was fight of the
    year.

    People are getting led by the nose to think Conor is the second coming from what he has done so far

    He has fought weak opposition
    Lost twice to submissions
    He is fighting a guy who is his Kryptinite in an all american wrestler
    Leaves that chin exposed to a guy whose standup has got better

    11/8 is begging to be backed

    There should be a separate thread for these bets and bookies tips Etc.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,138 ✭✭✭✭Mellor


    Depp wrote: »
    TAM guys are known for maintaining fighting shape all year round, credit where credit is due
    Exactly, he has photo's on Instagram doing Tough Mudder with PVZ two weeks before Aldo's injury was first leaked.
    https://instagram.com/p/34XcxwPfeo/
    History
    Mendes record in the UFC has been amazing, 17 wins and 2 losses.
    His UFC record is 8-2

    Mendes has faced and beaten top level opponents, undoubtedly but...
    No 4 - Lamas (15-4)
    No 6 - Swanson (21-7)
    No 9 - Lentz (25-7)
    No10 - Guida (32-15)

    Mc Gregor's record - has beaten No 14 Siver (22-11)

    He has beaten Porrier who was No. 5
    ..the UFC ranking is largely arbitrary way of comparing records.
    Those 4 weren't ranked like that when they faced Mendes. Swanson was 5 years ago in WEC.

    So, you should be counting that McGregor has also beaten No 5 Max Holloway.
    McGregor has beaten everything that has been put in front of him convincingly but his opposition has been cherry picked
    for him.
    Who was cherry picked?
    Fair enough, Siver was a gimme. But the other 5 was a completely standard climb up the ladder.

    There's a huge amount of retrospective analysis right there. At the time there was a completely different attitude.

    Brimage - He hasn't fought anyone UFC level. He'll forget about being a striker when Brimage hits him.
    Holloway - hasn't fought a kickboxer as good as Holloway
    Brandao - So aggressive, steamrolled TUF, BJJ black belt too
    Porrier - High level grappler, McGregor's in trouble on the ground
    In a sense it was madness that a guy who has done very little in terms of opposition got the chance for a title fight.
    He done no more or no less than those that came before him.

    Florian – Beat Nunes
    Mendes (first shot) - Beat Omigawa & Yahya
    Edgar – Title shot without any wins/fights at 145 (I don’t begrudge him the shot, he’s a legend and beat Bendo imo)
    Zombie – Garcia, Hominick, Porrier
    Lamas – Swanson, Hioki, Koch

    None of those are bad fighters, but are you really trying to say they are significantly different to Brimage, Holloway, Brandao, Porrier, Siver?
    Realistically, a lot of people yammering on about this fight (on both sides) won’t recognise half of those names.
    So in terms of the quality of fighters faced - I'm sure there is little doubt that Mendes has been in with the tougher people,
    therefore he has proved his pedigree. Maybe Conor is in that class but he has yet to prove it.
    He has definitely faced/beaten the better opponent on average overall. He’s had a longer career at the that level. So what?
    Who they’ve faced has no real impact on the “odds”, what matters is their ability right now

    He has fought weak opposition
    Lost twice to submissions
    He is fighting a guy who is his Kryptinite in an all american wrestler
    Leaves that chin exposed to a guy whose standup has got better


    Loses a few years ago when he was a white belt are essentially irrelevant.
    11/8 is begging to be backed
    I genuinely do think McGregor is too short here.
    But bear in mind that people said that for most of his previous fights too.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 786 ✭✭✭TheNap


    For the last couple of days i was freaked Aldo pulled out.

    Now im buzzing to go over . Mendes and his camp are such a-holes and get me so annoyed when they speak that i cant wait for this fight . Thats their job and they are doing it well in fairness.

    This time next week ill be sipping a beer in the airport

    Cant wait !


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,589 ✭✭✭Awesomeness


    The countdown begins



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,541 ✭✭✭Davei141




    And it begins ..

    Edit: too slow!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,681 ✭✭✭JustTheOne


    Only one place Chad is taking this fight


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,135 ✭✭✭✭mailburner


    214uzdi.jpg


    and what shape she is in...what a woman


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,882 ✭✭✭Saipanne


    Chael Sonnen just posted Mendes number on Facebook.

    Hehehe.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,782 ✭✭✭ASOT


    Saipanne wrote: »
    Chael Sonnen just posted Mendes number on Facebook.

    Hehehe.

    Never piss off a gangster!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,154 ✭✭✭akelly02


    Hahahah thats hilarious. If you put the boot on the other foot and said all that in a Dublin accent you would love it!

    Literally could not agree more! some people really need to take a step back and ease off the saddle sniffing with Conor. when he does something people defend him, some other fighter does something similar they are a twat. Like Conor taking the belt in Dublin for example, if Conor was champion and undefeated in a decade and somebody grabbed his belt it would be the most disrespectful thing ever, but because Conor did it its 'Gas'.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,056 ✭✭✭darced


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,541 ✭✭✭Davei141


    darced wrote: »
    This post has been deleted.

    UFC doesn't look good from that.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 310 ✭✭thelibertyboy


    jesus lads thats a break **** he could of got some serious damage if the fight was let go ahead


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,681 ✭✭✭JustTheOne


    akelly02 wrote: »
    Literally could not agree more! some people really need to take a step back and ease off the saddle sniffing with Conor. when he does something people defend him, some other fighter does something similar they are a twat. Like Conor taking the belt in Dublin for example, if Conor was champion and undefeated in a decade and somebody grabbed his belt it would be the most disrespectful thing ever, but because Conor did it its 'Gas'.

    Once again you're confusing things

    One person called aldo out on this thread for those comments

    I take it like me the rest don't care about them as they don't care about conors antics or comments outside of the ring

    I love watching him fight that's all I care about

    If You care more for his comments than his fighting then I don't need to say anymore.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,514 ✭✭✭but1er


    100% agree with Aldo comments, the interim belt is an embarrassment and a toy! Its a fancy way of saying no.1, we are a bunch of piss heads Aldo is correct!!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,681 ✭✭✭JustTheOne


    but1er wrote: »
    100% agree with Aldo comments, the interim belt is an embarrassment and a toy! Its a fancy way of saying no.1, we are a bunch of piss heads Aldo is correct!!

    Is that conors fault?
    Pretty sure he would rather be fighting for the belt than this


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 599 ✭✭✭Ian Whelan


    scudzilla wrote: »
    What a tit

    He does make some valid points in fairness.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,514 ✭✭✭but1er


    JustTheOne wrote: »
    Is that conors fault?
    Pretty sure he would rather be fighting for the belt than this

    Well he is going around saying its the real belt


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,681 ✭✭✭JustTheOne


    but1er wrote: »
    Well he is going around saying its the real belt

    Let him say whatever, the ufc obviously need it hyped up seems aldo pulled out

    Let's focus on the fight not the talk.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,756 ✭✭✭All_in_Flynn


    Just me or is there a lot of new posters with negative remarks now that we are edging closer to the fight?

    Perfectly entitled to express their opinion of course but it's typical Irish begrudgery for the most part.


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