Cork GAA Discussion Thread

can the munster final go to extra time?checking cause of train times

Aidan Walsh at right half back and Brian Lawton at left half forward ...Jamie Coughlan or Paidi I would have felt over Lawton ?? No Lorcan, Joyce or Shane O Neill .....and with Conor Sull and William Egan no longer involved defence is very tight with numbers.

ShamoBuc wrote: »

A right hammering in the junior final, 1-20. V 0-11. Complete dominance by Kerry in last 25 mins particulary considering we went from being 0-09 v 0-07 up to being 0-09 v 1-18 down - a complete collapse !

According to the Kerry twitter Cork dominated midfield for the second quarter of the match, Kerry took off Kearney so I can only assume Kerry were better there in the second half & able to supply what's a very strong inside forward line

Disappointing from a Cork POV given it's their strong year at junior, having missed the AI winning players last year.

D'Agger wrote: »

According to the Kerry twitter Cork dominated midfield for the second quarter of the match, Kerry took off Kearney so I can only assume Kerry were better there in the second half & able to supply what's a very strong inside forward line

Disappointing from a Cork POV given it's their strong year at junior, having missed the AI winning players last year.

Congratulations on a fine win

This kerry team are a fine team with a very good new management who are bring in youth with mix experience and based on the school success the minor and senior and next year the forthcoming under twenty one With the great jack in charge junior football is making this a complete package


This kerry team will not loose all Ireland like last year and imo will win it out
Of course I could be wrong
Just my opinion

Started well then we're behind by a few at half time but made three main change particular bringing on sullivan at midfield for the very good but just out minor kearney who will have better days and moving James Walsh to half back it negates cork midfield who had gone ist half when leary got two points


Be fair kerry won a lot ball at midfield after they changed things but leary still held he's own ist half
Tonight was a good test as I aside it would be and while second half kerry done well he should still get a run at senior

Sugrue looked good and it's odd he's not ever tried senior hurling by jbm as he works hard and would be ball winner

Cork we're dominated by a simply better team in the second half
This management term is over i think but having won the all ireland two years ago they deserve a another term but should bring in new selectors to keep it fresh and should do kerry in bringing in young players also

Rob O'Shea is injured surely?

Orizio wrote: »

Rob O'Shea is injured surely?

Your right

I forgot o shea was injured recently and didn't start in club games

D'Agger wrote: »

On the management - disagree completely. You can see from the team picked, this is far from Corks strongest second team. Now, perhaps players arent' making themselves available for the juniors but two years running Coughlan has been picked at 11 & hasn't made an impact imo.

From what I understand of the current setup, players are brought in early to trials and a core squad comes from that with additions every now and again - based on the teams they play in challenges - mainly divisional sides. If you're not in for the games around February then you're chances of getting selected, regardless of club form, are slim. There's players like Beston from Michelstown, Shorten from Ballingeary, Hegarty from St.Michaels - players who I feel would have been better placed playing last night for Cork but weren't. Now, perhaps they want to focus on clubs or don't have the interest to play junior football. But, so far as I'm concerned, the selection process is fundamentally flawed & needs to be improved.

Lastly, tactics are non existent from the manager which is the main reason I think Cork need a change. 15 on 15 & may the best team win days are over & I think that's what Cork are dealing with at the moment. Until that's sorted, due to the youth players coming out of Kerry with PCD & the minor win last year - Kerry could well dominate this unless Cork make the necessary changes to their structure

A lot of valid points here regards the style of play i totally agree and definitely tactics have been questioned after half time


However shorten imo whole okay here before I would not think hes deserves be there
A terrific coach though with immense potential
Beston I don't think so in he never stood out before for Cork and even for club in munster
Fine club Player though


Hegarty I'd agree should been there but Cork need to bring on minors and young players like kerry


Kerry are set to dominate here I agree and likely at minor depending who is their coach and if cork keep last year set up
Under twenty one Cork will be completed but there's an all Ireland in jack just a case of when

Senior they look strong even though o mahony and o se are caught for lack pace and fact kerry are vulnerable Sunday in just back from warm weather training camp and by all accounts will try a few players v Cork Sunday in there's talk of a few surprises to kerry starting team it shows like as been known for a while kerry haven't all focus on Cork it's Dublin they are watching



Donegal dominated derry but still just edges 🡠as you could see they had no want or desire with monaghan up next to show too much
I think kerry could be similar Sunday and there's a chance for Cork to grab a one off win if match up and team is picked correctly


The team tonight will tell a lot
I think cork have chance if right team is picked
However the worry which I think it's fair to say is defence conceding too much and no midfield options really and lads played out of position


Cinnede said it two months ago if kerry lost and they don't want to loose their record they would still improve and be all Ireland contenders
Only doubts regards kerry are defence that's poor however one v one it is but as kerry showed v tipp if needs be they will put twelve men behind the ball to hold out if needed
They are strong else where
I don't think kerry even though they won't admit it are entirely focused on Cork and warm weather camp just few weeks ago showed their peaking there fitness for later on


I think flangan would targeted this game and Cork as jack o Connor said will be very fit Sunday
If cork get the best players picked and get a good start you would maybe just maybe get hope
Team selection will tell a lot


Overall kerry living and breeding football means mistakes past at junior and under twenty one are now being solved and unlike Cork have school football nursery and there's also willing to develop young coaches and put the best men in charge kerry football I'd in great health going forward
This kerry team last year were never great absolutely any kerry fans say that but they developed a system and got everything out of the bunch


While we may not see kerry full peak Sunday the Walsh and Gooch etc and team will beat stronger than last year


Kerry are in a different position than Dublin and I think they want a close game and tomas o se said what he said as he wants cork to be tough but also be fair the big games recently cork played you can't argue with he's comments
He made a view on what he saw

Kerry will love a close game and win by three or four points
Dublin had to try and be as good as they could be v Kildale as they won't get a test in leinster so even against poorly teams have set minimum standard of performance
Kerry know what they have and where their at and against tippeary while never in full flow just wanted to win they didn't need to win hugely

Hopefully cork will pull of a huge shock and win as if cork loose Dublin in a quater final is going to be very difficult as Dublin wont be naive like last year
You would think Dublin would rather cork loose as I would say the one team don't want to play so early is kerry

thinkstoomuch1 wrote: »

A lot of valid points here regards the style of play i totally agree and definitely tactics have been questioned after half time


However shorten imo whole okay here before I would not think hes deserves be there
A terrific coach though with immense potential
Beston I don't think so in he never stood out before for Cork and even for club in munster
Fine club Player though


Hegarty I'd agree should been there but Cork need to bring on minors and young players like kerry


Kerry are set to dominate here I agree and likely at minor depending who is their coach and if cork keep last year set up
Under twenty one Cork will be completed but there's an all Ireland in jack just a case of when

Senior they look strong even though o mahony and o se are caught for lack pace and fact kerry are vulnerable Sunday in just back from warm weather training camp and by all accounts will try a few players v Cork Sunday in there's talk of a few surprises to kerry starting team it shows like as been known for a while kerry haven't all focus on Cork it's Dublin they are watching



Donegal dominated derry but still just edges 🡠as you could see they had no want or desire with monaghan up next to show too much
I think kerry could be similar Sunday and there's a chance for Cork to grab a one off win if match up and team is picked correctly


The team tonight will tell a lot
I think cork have chance if right team is picked
However the worry which I think it's fair to say is defence conceding too much and no midfield options really and lads played out of position


Cinnede said it two months ago if kerry lost and they don't want to loose their record they would still improve and be all Ireland contenders
Only doubts regards kerry are defence that's poor however one v one it is but as kerry showed v tipp if needs be they will put twelve men behind the ball to hold out if needed
They are strong else where
I don't think kerry even though they won't admit it are entirely focused on Cork and warm weather camp just few weeks ago showed their peaking there fitness for later on


I think flangan would targeted this game and Cork as jack o Connor said will be very fit Sunday
If cork get the best players picked and get a good start you would maybe just maybe get hope
Team selection will tell a lot


Overall kerry living and breeding football means mistakes past at junior and under twenty one are now being solved and unlike Cork have school football nursery and there's also willing to develop young coaches and put the best men in charge kerry football I'd in great health going forward
This kerry team last year were never great absolutely any kerry fans say that but they developed a system and got everything out of the bunch


While we may not see kerry full peak Sunday the Walsh and Gooch etc and team will beat stronger than last year


Kerry are in a different position than Dublin and I think they want a close game and tomas o se said what he said as he wants cork to be tough but also be fair the big games recently cork played you can't argue with he's comments
He made a view on what he saw

Kerry will love a close game and win by three or four points
Dublin had to try and be as good as they could be v Kildale as they won't get a test in leinster so even against poorly teams have set minimum standard of performance
Kerry know what they have and where their at and against tippeary while never in full flow just wanted to win they didn't need to win hugely

Hopefully cork will pull of a huge shock and win as if cork loose Dublin in a quater final is going to be very difficult as Dublin wont be naive like last year
You would think Dublin would rather cork loose as I would say the one team don't want to play so early is kerry

On Shorten - I was talking about the player, not coach - was involved with Cork seniors a year or two ago but was dropped iirc - stands out massively anytime I've seen Ballingeary.

I think the main thing that's required is a structure or a formula - it may work, it may not but there should be a squad brought in with quotas of players over 25, under 21 etc. so that you ensure youth players are kept involved with Cork setups & experience & strength are there too.

You look to implement tactics early on and work on them in training. Training with Cork should be a different kettle of fish to training with your club & so far that's not the case at junior level.

I agree about young coaches - CCB should try to organise workshops with clubs to help bring on the standard. That said, there could be small steps already being taken here I'm unaware of & as you said, Kerry doesn't have hurling to contend with as Cork does.

I think it'll be a tough game in Killarney - Kerry tend to shade it at home but I think people writing off Cork to the extent they have been - is premature & unfair. Yes, Dublin have beaten them two years running in the league & Kerry tonked them last year - that tonking last year was a freak that I for one certainly didn't expect - and what made it a freak was Cork tactically playing into Kerrys hands & not changing things quick enough. The hope from a Cork POV is that Cuthbert will learn - so Sunday will tell alot. Even if they go via the backdoor, they'll go far - that inside forward line is very, very dangerous.

Smith614 wrote: »

With all due respect who really gives a s**t about a junior football championship. Cork have bigger problems than worrying about junior football or intermediate hurling. Senior, u21 and minor are the bedrocks of Cork GAA. Cork have won AI intermediate hurling titles with little or no training . Huge 4 days for Cork GAA starting tonite in the gaelic grounds.

I do. It's an opportunity to represent yourself, your club and your county on what's considered the second level of county football. Now...that's idealistic talk somewhat, but the point stands - it's county football - taking drubbings off Kerry two years in a row should rile your CCB & supporters. If the shoe was on the other foot & Kerry lost two years running by those margins - there'd be war about the state of football in the county.

Yet it happens in Cork and it's 'who gives a shít' 'it's only junior' - to me it's an indication of the strength of Cork football - there's clearly more strength & depth in Kerry right now, but if the CCB care about developing the sport, they'll implement changes to structures at all levels - not just the ones deemed most important.

Put it into context - your big 4 days starts now - for me it should have been 5

zetecescort wrote: »

get through final round of qualifiers and its Dublin in the 1/4 final:(

Catch them on the hop? :pac:

http://www.eveningecho.ie/sport/winning-is-all-that-matters-now-for-corks-underage-hurlers/

Good read and yes it sounds bit much for under age but we have no choice but to be realistic and the famine years mean cork simply can't do this often greatly encouraged take on under age for years produce few good hurlers the system is working like disrmuid o Donovan had years ago when he's great gaa man like he's father but he's view was imo wrong

Cork have to treat minor and under twenty one as just must win in munster at least
Great that Christian are in the harty next year as it means like lads like flynn Hennessy and etc would been playing if in it this year

There's always lads from the barrs and glen etc that go here that are good hurlers that deserves be playing top level harty cup
Overs half last year team will be eligible next year so they won't be any means easy game for any team
Donal o mahony among others is a good coach there

It will take them a year's or two to get up to harty like Hamilton but they should be given time
Colmans showing signs of resurgence Hamilton holding their own Rochestown doing brilliant and midelton if they get coaching right have huge potential
Ag mhuire also

Last year was an excellent year across the harty and Dean Ryan and indeed the Munster b and c grades so Cork just can't forget bout next year but must build on it
Charville have a good young team coming up and should be strong at harty

Best of luck to our minors tonight to every panel members and coaching team.

Talk is kerry will not be fielding their strongest team Sunday and it actually merits value in I said for a while kerry only focus is Dublin

There's talks going round and it remains be seen but maher and Gooch dropped and could be up four changes kerry

If so it tells the real value in kerry don't like it feared actually rate Cork and to me if kerry field weak team it's how far Cork fallen in its insult really that they expect to beat is with a non strong team

Obvious beating kerry would be best answer to what would be perceived kerry arrogance but to be fair Cork have in the last four big games given performance irrespective results that don't actually give reason fear Cork


Kevin mvcssty gave good article today highlights flaws cork defence and midfield etc but has point in one off cork victory while no reasonable logic for it such is sport as westmeath proved and other shocks one off day may be there but if kerry field team weak a win against them has been kept reality


I hope to God kerry field a strong team as Cork football doesn't need another false dawns and actually a loss if defence showed well midfield showed improvement and management picked good team would show signs for the future than imo we beat kerry with not strongest team and team who are not peak training cycle where Cork are since November it is no value unless you can say we beat the strongest kerry team


Kerry imo are all about system and variation and building a panel so they don't see cork as top of the list
We beat tippeary hurling five years ago and it was later revealed tipp had no focus on Cork as they didn't rate Cork and were caught flat in the ist game

Naively people thought cork under Walsh were reborn
Cork were not
Cork as time proved never improved
Sport some times circumstances can have a bearing on results and we seem many times better cork teams winning munster loosing in all Ireland
It's timing when teams meet in what's the priority


Yes some can say Cork are in no win situation if kerry field weak team and Cork won't get credit
That's a fair point
But imo Cork would get huge credit if defence and midfield and management picked strong team tonight and not pick players haven't performance in big games before as then you would say look we have postive here
If cork field most players that haven't performance in big games before suddenly beat weak kerry then it is reasonable for imo a cautious view


I hope cork win and would love it
But as much as I don't want huge losses there is imo no point in kerry fielding weakened team for Cork game as league gave cork false dawns we don't need them in championship


In relation to the post cork managment have got critsed harshly
Imo on performance last year in league and championship to be fair they were justified and the defence as mcstdy said second worst league hasn't improved even against clare it's reasonable that cork were questioned
I genuinely believe most genuinely cork fans don't like being what seem harsh their own county but we have seen in hurling and football for years living in a unrealistic bubble isn't much good for Cork gaa at any level

The majority cork fans that seem harsh critics cork I'd guess you still have them both games hurling football the weekend and the reason there critsim a set up imo is cause they truly imo belive cork have players hurling and football win all Ireland titles and don't want to accept anything less when our greatest rivals kk and kerry creates legacy of sustainable excellence at senior level and we watch them every September win titles and Dublin are soon to join them on a regular basis in football imo

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Cork lead 13-11 with 10 to go. Limerick had a penalty saved