The 2015 All Ireland Senior Football Championship

elefant · 01-07-2015 10:56AM

Boom__Boom wrote: »

Is there an argument to be made for a rule that anyone who represents their county in the championship is ineligible for a transfer abroad until that county is out of the championship ?

If you want to go to the States fair enough, but tell the manager before the start of the championship as opposed to heading to the airport if you lose a game and end up in the qualifiers.

How are US clubs allowed to have this exemption to eligibility rules? Moving to other counties or countries you can't play championship for 2 clubs in one year, never mind playing for your county and then onto playing for another club.

The rules are garbage anyway, but it's strange that US clubs are the only ones allowed to get around them.

Dr Crippen · 01-07-2015 11:02AM

Yeah there is an argument for that alright but even though the guys literally live on a professional sportsperson basis, it is an amateur game and I dont think you can tie any of them into a contract without proper remuneration. In my opinion that would only be fair, right?

There seems to an underlying issue in the Kildare dressing room, players coming and going. As a supporter I have watched some fantastic players walk away from the panel for the past few years and they haven't been replaced with equal or greater talent in some cases.

I felt McGeeney was making progress, building a strong physical squad, then he was thrown to the heap.

Its very frustrating as a supporter to see my team capitulate in some many games, hand passing across the pitch, kicking so many wides. A system for example where Ronan Quinn is running on to the pitch constantly telling players where to go, as a player that has to be so frustrating and confusing. As much as I hate to say it I cannot see things improving any time soon.

intellectual dosser · 01-07-2015 11:09AM

The shame about it is that they must have been planning this all along, they cant have been 100% certain on beating Dublin when they saw the draw.

Boom__Boom · 01-07-2015 11:24AM

Dr Crippen wrote: »

Yeah there is an argument for that alright but even though the guys literally live on a professional sportsperson basis, it is an amateur game and I dont think you can tie any of them into a contract without proper remuneration. In my opinion that would only be fair, right?

There seems to an underlying issue in the Kildare dressing room, players coming and going. As a supporter I have watched some fantastic players walk away from the panel for the past few years and they haven't been replaced with equal or greater talent in some cases.

I felt McGeeney was making progress, building a strong physical squad, then he was thrown to the heap.

Its very frustrating as a supporter to see my team capitulate in some many games, hand passing across the pitch, kicking so many wides. A system for example where Ronan Quinn is running on to the pitch constantly telling players where to go, as a player that has to be so frustrating and confusing. As much as I hate to say it I cannot see things improving any time soon.

Either ask them to make the commitment to the county as an amateur for the length of the county's run in the qualifiers or tell them they are free to go from the start of the summer.

I'm not saying that lads are stopped from going to the US if they want , but I am saying that that should all know if they want to be considered to play for a county at the start of the championship they have to commit for the full span of the their county's participation.

I can see there being a fair oul battle to get out of Division 3 next year - Tipp will be very eager to get promotion after narrowly missing out this year, Westmeath will want to build on the championship momentum to bounce back up, while Wexford will probably be thinking that after beating a team who are up in Division 1 they should be having a crack at promotion . Clare too could be a right tricky team in the mix as well depending on who is available for them. Kildare need to get back out of there pronto if they want to start turning things around but it's not going to be a cakewalk by any means.

Dyr · 01-07-2015 11:33AM

K-9 wrote: »

Donegal aren't impressive this year, but how do you deal with an attacking threat that punishes fouls out in the 45/50 with more or less guaranteed points, and if you don't foul will eventually score anyway!

Tough but to crack!

Donegal are looking good this year to me, their quality players are no longer stuck with a system designed for peasant conscripts.

Dr Crippen · 01-07-2015 11:36AM

Yeah division three will be a difficult league but can also help a team build and develop. All those teams you mentioned can play and are difficult to beat, maybe not for Dublin though

On the question of committing to the squad, I don't think there are many players out there who commit with the thought in the back of their mind that they might head to the US. Mulhall and Hyland have been left on the wings for one reason or another since the league so they may feel a bit like a disposable commodity and in fairness I do not blame them one bit for taking the opportunity to go away and make some money.

The expectation in my county from fans does not match the results. If you look at our game plan at the very basic level, for instance the goal keeper. We have no variation on kick outs, no inventiveness. We play the ball from defense, hand passing it out, slowly. I thought they looked quite lethargic and predictable really against Dublin.

In my opinion Dublin, Donegal, Tyrone, Kerry for example have excellent keepers who essentially dictate the pace and tactics of play. Kildare do not and you can analyze that right from goal keeper through to forwards.

This is all purely my opinion though

cj maxx · 01-07-2015 11:41AM

Sure Donegal clubs have never won an official Ulster Club,and we've 2 AllIrelands, just as much as Down with a big history in lubs,

I think down have 5 all irelands ,

danganabu · 01-07-2015 12:02PM

STB. wrote: »

Diamuid Connolly 2008 (1 All Star)

Genuinely shocked at that stat, while he not a very likeable person, he is definitely one of the best players in teh country for the last 5-6 years, goes to show what a bit of a joke the All Stars are when comparing lads achievements.

DoctaDee · 01-07-2015 12:50PM

Diarmuid Connolly had never won an All Star which in itself speaks of the gombeenism of these awards

dcrosskid · 01-07-2015 12:51PM

DoctaDee wrote: »

Diarmuid Connolly has never won an All Star which in itself speaks of the gombeenism of these awards

Did he not win one last year?

DoctaDee · 01-07-2015 12:57PM

dcrosskid wrote: »

Did he not win one last year?

Yeah that didn't come across right :rolleyes: .. I was referring to him not getting an All Star in 2008

2moreMinutes · 01-07-2015 02:14PM

Bambi wrote: »

Donegal are looking good this year to me, their quality players are no longer stuck with a system designed for peasant conscripts.

Which quality players? Could you describe this system they were "stuck with" previously and how the "new" system is so dramatically different?

STB. · 01-07-2015 08:59PM

DoctaDee wrote: »

Yeah that didn't come across right :rolleyes: .. I was referring to him not getting an All Star in 2008

2008 is the year he starting playing County Football. He has won one All Star. And that is shocking. He'll have another this year. I would be very surprised if he is not among the top scorers. Dean Rock will probably run away with that.

STB. · 01-07-2015 09:04PM

Nidgeweasel wrote: »

S Cluxton, M Fitzsimons, R O'Carroll, P McMahon (0-01), J McCarthy, J Cooper, J McCaffrey, MD Macauley, C O'Sullivan, P Flynn (0-04), C Costello, D Connolly (0-05, 1f), A Brogan (0-02), E O'Gara, B Brogan (0-03, 1f)

"A lot of them are [younger] lads who haven't really had to go round the block, just thrust into an exceptional panel cruising through Leinster and easily competing in finals and semi finals. "

That is not the current Dublin panel. Eoghan O Gara done his cruciate and is out for the season for a start.

You got your answer. The Dublin team I quoted you have more AI's, NFL's and All Stars than your bunch of underachievers.

You are either on a wind up or just a complete spanner.

STB. · 01-07-2015 09:24PM

K-9 wrote: »

Anybody who tries to correlated AI Clubs and AI Seniors.........

Sure Donegal clubs have never won an official Ulster Club,and we've 2 AllIrelands, just as much as Down with a big history in lubs, and more than Derry, one of The strongest counties for clubs in the country.

Then you mention All Stars.

Karl Lacey had 3 and no AI medal!

AI Club medals (not provincial) ONTOP of their AI Championship medals.

None of your current players have even 2 All Ireland medals, let alone the handfull of NFL medals that the current Dublin team have.

Yes then I mentioned All Stars. Count them.

Donegal are underachievers for all the rubbish their fans talk. I suppose the reasoning is that if they say it enough it might come true. It might be better to stay in the bubble that the Donegal thread is. Some wake up call coming this year.

K-9 · 01-07-2015 09:43PM

cjmc wrote: »

Sure Donegal clubs have never won an official Ulster Club,and we've 2 AllIrelands, just as much as Down with a big history in lubs,

I think down have 5 all irelands ,

I did clear that up after, 55 years is stretching the comparison a bit, particularly as there was no club championship then!

K-9 · 01-07-2015 09:45PM

STB. wrote: »

AI Club medals (not provincial) ONTOP of their AI Championship medals.

None of your current players have even 2 All Ireland medals, let alone the handfull of NFL medals that the current Dublin team have.

Yes then I mentioned All Stars. Count them.

Donegal are underachievers for all the rubbish their fans talk. I suppose the reasoning is that if they say it enough it might come true. It might be better to stay in the bubble that the Donegal thread is. Some wake up call coming this year.

That's hilarious, we're under achievers, must make Dublin chronic under achievers and bottlers in that case.

2moreMinutes · 01-07-2015 09:51PM

It really is funny how Donegal seems to get under so many Dubs fans skin.

Nidgeweasel · 01-07-2015 09:55PM

STB. wrote: »

AI Club medals (not provincial) ONTOP of their AI Championship medals.

None of your current players have even 2 All Ireland medals, let alone the handfull of NFL medals that the current Dublin team have.

Yes then I mentioned All Stars. Count them.

Donegal are underachievers for all the rubbish their fans talk. I suppose the reasoning is that if they say it enough it might come true. It might be better to stay in the bubble that the Donegal thread is. Some wake up call coming this year.

Jesus man you seem awful rattled.

Is everything alright?

Nidgeweasel · 01-07-2015 10:00PM

STB. wrote: »

That is not the current Dublin panel. Eoghan O Gara done his cruciate and is out for the season for a start.

You got your answer. The Dublin team I quoted you have more AI's, NFL's and All Stars than your bunch of underachievers.

You are either on a wind up or just a complete spanner.

That's the line up during the Dublin/Donegal game last year that I've been specifically referring to.

My word.

cj maxx · 01-07-2015 10:08PM

K-9 wrote: »

I did clear that up after, 55 years is stretching the comparison a bit, particularly as there was no club championship then!

Oh , didnt see that

corny · 01-07-2015 10:37PM

I generally take issue with the words 'Natural Footballer'. It implies something comes effortlessly which just isn't the case. Funny MDM was mentioned as a natural. Actually by his own admission he isn't "naturally gifted" (his words). However he was prepared to always work harder than the lad next to him and that made him best player in the country one year. Says it all for me.

Bringing it back to Donegal V Dublin. What i see with Donegal is a group of lads who work as hard or even harder that any group in the country. Whats key (thanks to Jim Mc) is their work is effective. Are they more 'natural' than Dublin? Who gives a **** because it doesn't matter. The hard work makes them effective, at every aspect of the game, and thats all that matters.

Dirty Dingus McGee · 01-07-2015 10:47PM

Just after watching the Westmeath match again and one thing that it highighted for me that in spite of it regularly being suggested that fisted points should be banned , banning fisted points would be an absolutely terrible idea.

Twice in the second half Kieran Martin cut inside the corner back near the end line and had a very tight angle to get a score.It would have been almost impossible to kick a score as the goalie was coming out to meet him so his only option was to fist the ball over the bar.

Without the option for the fisted point Martin's excellent corner forward play wouldn't have been rewarded.

STB. · 01-07-2015 11:07PM

K-9 wrote: »

That's hilarious, we're under achievers, must make Dublin chronic under achievers and bottlers in that case.

The current Dublin team have won 2 All Irelands in the last 4 years and 3 League Titles in the last 3 years.

Donegal have won 2 All Irelands in their history, the last of which was three years ago. What part of under achievment do you not understand.

Just trying to bring a semblance of reality to the deluded people talking out their backside about "the naturaly intelligient footballers of Donegal" and Dublin having "a lot of younger lads who haven't really had to go round the block".

Yis are gass. Nice try though.

keane2097 · 01-07-2015 11:13PM

danganabu wrote: »

Genuinely shocked at that stat, while he not a very likeable person, he is definitely one of the best players in teh country for the last 5-6 years, goes to show what a bit of a joke the All Stars are when comparing lads achievements.

Five or six years ago he probably wasn't in the top 20 footballers in the country, get a grip.

keane2097 · 01-07-2015 11:15PM

STB. wrote: »

The current Dublin team have won 2 All Irelands in the last 4 years and 3 League Titles in the last 3 years.

I always find it amusing that if we were in a different thread that stat would be written as "four All Irelands in 35 years"

Nidgeweasel · 01-07-2015 11:23PM

keane2097 wrote: »

I always find it amusing that if we were in a different thread that stat would be written as "four All Irelands in 35 years"

Some underachievement that.

ciarriaithuaidh · 01-07-2015 11:25PM

Dirty Dingus McGee wrote: »

Just after watching the Westmeath match again and one thing that it highighted for me that in spite of it regularly being suggested that fisted points should be banned , banning fisted points would be an absolutely terrible idea.

Twice in the second half Kieran Martin cut inside the corner back near the end line and had a very tight angle to get a score.It would have been almost impossible to kick a score as the goalie was coming out to meet him so his only option was to fist the ball over the bar.

Without the option for the fisted point Martin's excellent corner forward play wouldn't have been rewarded.

Agreed..one rule change made in modern times that was spot on.

STB. · 01-07-2015 11:28PM

keane2097 wrote: »

I always find it amusing that if we were in a different thread that stat would be written as "four All Irelands in 35 years"

The relevance of the stat is to the current Dublin squad vs the current "naturally intelligient footballers of Donegal". I dont think any player has managed to sustain 35 years on a County Panel.

Please do try an keep up.

keane2097 · 01-07-2015 11:31PM

STB. wrote: »

The relevance of the stat is to the current Dublin squad vs the current "naturally intelligient footballers of Donegal". I dont think any player has managed to sustain 35 years on a County Panel.

Please do try an keep up.

Where would I get an keep up at this hour?

The 2015 All Ireland Senior Football Championship

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