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The 2015 All Ireland Senior Football Championship

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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,257 ✭✭✭Peist2007


    The pitch in Clones is 142*87 metres. TheThe pitch in Croke park is 14.5*88 metres.

    There is barely any difference in the size of the pitch and it would make zero difference.

    I beg to differ. It would be a far different game in Clones


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 978 ✭✭✭Fudge You


    The pitch in Clones is 142*87 metres. TheThe pitch in Croke park is 14.5*88 metres.

    There is barely any difference in the size of the pitch and it would make zero difference.

    Dont you dare let facts get in the way of a good rant.
    Croker is bigger, much much bigger. End of.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,399 ✭✭✭✭ThunbergsAreGo


    Peist2007 wrote: »
    I suppose my point is that you cant just flick a switch in September and turn it on. The Dubs have class and Connolly is brilliant to watch but they get zero test until at least August and then have to flick the switch. That is a problem in my opinion

    Kerry do it


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,074 ✭✭✭pmasterson95


    The pitch in Clones is 142*87 metres. TheThe pitch in Croke park is 14.5*88 metres.

    There is barely any difference in the size of the pitch and it would make zero difference.

    Dingus I'm fairly sure theres a difference between 142 meters and 14.5 meters.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,476 ✭✭✭ardmacha


    Fudge You wrote: »
    Then why not move Kilkenny to Munster championship in Hurling???

    And while we're at it, let move Barcelona to the english soccer premier league cause I think Stoke city will take them.
    We'll move Liverpool to Spain, just for the laugh.

    None of these examples feature a team with a bigger pick than the total of all the other teams put together, like the Leinster "championship". Kilkenny win because they are better, not just because they are bigger.


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,257 ✭✭✭Peist2007


    naughtb4 wrote: »
    Kerry do it

    Kerry have to deal with Cork every year. They get their test and also the opportunity to tweak based on that test. Kerry found Donaghy was a full forward in the qualifiers when they had to adjust and it won them the All-Ireland (think it was against Sligo but could be wrong). I'd say the Dub players think the qualifiers are just an urban legend


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Well done to Jim Gavin on keeping a straight face in that interview. He nearly buckled but he managed to convince himself just in time that the Dubs were somehow given a test today and thus passed the humility test himself in the process. If the Dubs are fatigued after that then its for every other reason then footballing reasons.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 978 ✭✭✭Fudge You


    ardmacha wrote: »
    None of these examples feature a team with a bigger pick than the total of all the other teams put together, like the Leinster "championship". Kilkenny win because they are better, not just because they are bigger.

    I was messing of course with the examples.
    But lets have a debate then...
    Kerry have a population of 150000. Are they bigger than other counties??? but they are the champs, and can beat dublin on any given day.

    Spilane said it about 10mins ago. These counties (mayo,kerry,dub,donegal) have the systems put in place, the best coaches and therefore the best players...
    I dont remember hearing many moaning about dublin late 90s to early 2000s.
    They were laughing at Dublin then, I remember it too well.


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Fudge You wrote: »
    I was messing of course with the examples.
    But lets have a debate then...
    Kerry have a population of 150000. Are they bigger than other counties??? but they are the champs, and can beat dublin on any given day.

    Spilane said it about 10mins ago. These counties (mayo,kerry,dub,donegal) have the systems put in place, the best coaches and therefore the best players...
    I dont remember hearing many moaning about dublin late 90s to early 2000s.
    They were laughing at Dublin then, I remember it too well
    .


    i tend to agree. I mean fair enough the likes of Longford, Carlow, etc may have a case in hand but I dont think the likes of Kildare or Meath who have big populations can complain too much. They both need to take a good long hard look at themselves.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 278 ✭✭cailinardthair


    Fudge You wrote: »
    Then why not move Kilkenny to Munster championship in Hurling???

    And while we're at it, let move Barcelona to the english soccer premier league cause I think Stoke city will take them.
    We'll move Liverpool to Spain, just for the laugh.

    Galway mean nothing to you in hurling ;)....besides that I really do think there needs to be change. Brolly and Pat were going on about it was a joy to watch....but honestly I was bored watching the Dublin game.

    Yeah their Gaelic skills are great and fair play to them on getting through but as a spectator I was just bored. I don't want to see an exhibition its competition!!! The westmeath/meath game was brilliant....ok teams that probably won't win the all Ireland but it was on hell of a game.

    There needs to be tiered system and soon.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 978 ✭✭✭Fudge You


    Galway mean nothing to you in hurling....besides that I really do think there needs to be change. Brolly and Pat were going on about it was a joy to watch....but honestly I was bored watching the Dublin game.

    Yeah their Gaelic skills are great and fair play to them on getting through but as a spectator I was just bored. I don't want to see an exhibition its competition!!! The westmeath/meath game was brilliant....ok teams that probably won't win the all Ireland but it was on hell of a game.

    There needs to be tiered system and soon.


    First off, the post was a joke, did you not read my post afterwards...

    You were bored, fair enough. But should you not be complaining about Kildare being rubbish???
    Is it dublin's fault that Kildare and Meath cant keep up. And I dont want to hear about the money. Dublin have always been bigger, but didnt always win.
    Meath and Kildare should take a look at themselves.
    Also, Dublin wont be this good forever.


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Nib wrote: »
    Brolly calls Dublin v Derry league game "the death of football" yet this 19 point hammering was a joy to watch..

    WOW.


    Alot of holes in Brollys argument. He also advocated that Kildare should use a zonal marking system rather than going man for man. So when you are open you are naive but when you actually defend its negative to watch? :confused: I thought he was against the negative stuff?

    Id argue that Kildare used absolutely no marking system whatsoever today. It was pathetic to watch. its not a secret that Dublin build from the back so why oh why on earth did Kildare not at the very least mark up from the kick outs. Tbf its not just Kildare who are this naive either.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 278 ✭✭cailinardthair


    Fudge You wrote: »
    First off, the post was a joke, did you not read my post afterwards...

    You were bored, fair enough. But should you not be complaining about Kildare being rubbish???
    Is it dublin's fault that Kildare and Meath cant keep up. And I don't want to hear about the money. Dublin have always been bigger, but didn't always win.
    Meath and Kildare should take a look at themselves.
    Also, Dublin wont be this good forever.

    Firstly...never said Kildare were rubbish.....fair play to them for not to bowing there heads and giving up...they tried and I commend them for it but they were just out matched ....its the same as the Longford game....they just aren't up to the standard at the moment against Dublin.

    yes I agree they need to look closer at there set up and I do agree Dublin won't be this good forever....like everything it ebbs and flows....look at Kerry they dominated everything and for nearly 10 years in the 90's they didn't win Sam and now they are back again! It be the same for Donegal and Mayo....


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60 ✭✭slogging...it


    Didn't Dublin hammer Monaghan in Clones this year Already??
    In all seriousness tho Leinster needs Dublin that's the standard of football you have to aspire to achieve, keep Monaghan etc are any of the anti football teams in Ulster I'd rather a hammering of Dublin than taking the reason teams are trying to play in Leinster out of it
    On another note I would ask anyone lauding Donegal against Dublin last year watch the match again Dublin had enough chances to have Donegal on the bus at half time and don't start about Monaghan losing to there B team in the league


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,797 ✭✭✭jimmytwotimes 2013


    Alot of holes in Brollys argument.

    That's the case with most arguments he makes. Brolly is a WUM and makes his money just being controversial. I don't know who, of himself and Spillane, is the bigger spoofer.

    Spillane is just hoping for a Kerry All-Ireland win so he can proclaim them as being able to walk on water and Brolly similarly waits for an Ulster All-Ireland win as proof of the superiority of the northern folk.

    Two clowns offering next to nothing in analysis.


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    That's the case with most arguments he makes. Brolly is a WUM and makes his money just being controversial. I don't know who, of himself and Spillane, is the bigger spoofer.

    Spillane is just hoping for a Kerry All-Ireland win so he can proclaim them as being able to walk on water and Brolly similarly waits for an Ulster All-Ireland win as proof of the superiority of the northern folk.

    Two clowns offering next to nothing in analysis.

    The gas thing about Brolly is that he says things with all the conviction of being his steadfast opinion which he has stuck to through thick and thin, akin to a pathological liar. Comes from being a barrister i suppose :pac:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,003 ✭✭✭2moreMinutes


    The pitch in Clones is 142*87 metres. TheThe pitch in Croke park is 145.5*88 metres.

    There is barely any difference in the size of the pitch and it would make zero difference.
    Always amuses me how the "big open spaces" of Croke Park is compared to provincial pitches. Very little difference in a lot of them and some are bigger. Lazy comment usually.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,229 ✭✭✭LeinsterDub


    Nib wrote: »
    The other 11 counties in Leinster still wouldn't have as big a population or the money to compete with the "Blue Juggernaut/Tsunami".

    Have a bit of perspective.
    It was just a general museing. Wasn't getting into the bigger discussion about money and population. All of which are red herrings in my book


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Always amuses me how the "big open spaces" of Croke Park is compared to provincial pitches. Very little difference in a lot of them and some are bigger. Lazy comment usually.


    Sometimes i can be just the setting or the atmosphere though. A half empty large stadium vs a packed house of angry locals baying for blood. I think the prospect of Dublin playing outside Croker should at least be looked at. Im not saying that it is guaranteed to make a whole heap of difference but in terms of routine and preparation it might mix it a round a bit. If your suddenly travelling long distances on a bus for games its a big difference to a short trip down the road.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,195 ✭✭✭✭Fr Tod Umptious


    Didn't Dublin hammer Monaghan in Clones this year Already??
    In all seriousness tho Leinster needs Dublin that's the standard of football you have to aspire to achieve, keep Monaghan etc are any of the anti football teams in Ulster I'd rather a hammering of Dublin than taking the reason teams are trying to play in Leinster out of it
    On another note I would ask anyone lauding Donegal against Dublin last year watch the match again Dublin had enough chances to have Donegal on the bus at half time and don't start about Monaghan losing to there B team in the league

    You are right about last years Dublin v Donegal game.
    Not only did Dublin have enough chances in the first half to have Donegal on the bus, but players that are usually reliable missed a scatter of simple scores in the second also.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,003 ✭✭✭2moreMinutes


    Sometimes i can be just the setting or the atmosphere though. A half empty large stadium vs a packed house of angry locals baying for blood. I think the prospect of Dublin playing outside Croker should at least be looked at. Im not saying that it is guaranteed to make a whole heap of difference but in terms of routine and preparation it might mix it a round a bit. If your suddenly travelling long distances on a bus for games its a big difference to a short trip down the road.
    I wouldn't argue against that at all.

    It's the more general argument that's often put out there about how Croke Park is apparently full of space compared to provincial pitches that is an annoyance to me. Granted, it doesn't take an awful lot to annoy me but still....


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,631 ✭✭✭Dirty Dingus McGee


    Sometimes i can be just the setting or the atmosphere though. A half empty large stadium vs a packed house of angry locals baying for blood. I think the prospect of Dublin playing outside Croker should at least be looked at. Im not saying that it is guaranteed to make a whole heap of difference but in terms of routine and preparation it might mix it a round a bit. If your suddenly travelling long distances on a bus for games its a big difference to a short trip down the road.

    I don't think it would make any signinficant difference at all.Home advantage in my opinion only really has an affect when teams are reasonably closely matched.A fully firing Dublin would destroy all but 3 teams in the country.

    I would say Dublin's players and management would quite like being tested more earlier in the championship as it would give them a better idea of where they are when the knock out stages come along and they would almost certainly benefit from playing more difficult matches earlier in the championship.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,003 ✭✭✭2moreMinutes


    You are right about last years Dublin v Donegal game.
    Not only did Dublin have enough chances in the first half to have Donegal on the bus, but players that are usually reliable missed a scatter of simple scores in the second also.
    Sure everyone knows Donegal are over hyped and have gotten super lucky in recent years. Especially since a certain AI final a few years ago.

    Sorry, where's my manners.....would you fancy some salt with that chip?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,256 ✭✭✭LeoB


    Nib wrote: »
    Brolly calls Dublin v Derry league game "the death of football" yet this 19 point hammering was a joy to watch..
    .

    H was sort of right. That game between Dublin and Derry was one of the worst games of football played for a few years. Where today we saw some good skills, plenty of scores although Kildare were physically not up to a tough game. The other important point Brolly made was Dublin play football no matter who the opposition is, be it Donegal, Kerry or Mayo. It is better to watch and had Dublin taken a few more chances in the first half last year against Donegal well who knows.............
    ardmacha wrote: »
    None of these examples feature a team with a bigger pick than the total of all the other teams put together, like the Leinster "championship". Kilkenny win because they are better, not just because they are bigger.

    None of the other counties in Leinster have the competition Dublin clubs have for players. FACT. You take club on south side like Ballyboden, Kilmacud or Cuala and Rugby are the big games with twice as many Rugby clubs as G.A.A. and schools Rugby is also huge. Go to west and north Dublin, Tallaght, Clondalkin, Blanchardstown, Finglas, Ballymun and Cabra and Soccer is a major sport with rugby a growing game and thats before you include any other sports but the competition for players from Rugby and soccer has to be seen to be believed.

    Dublin G.A.A. does not have the pick of all the kids but what it has is a very good structure in terms of coaching and development. It doesnt work every year but players will come through if you stick with it.

    There were no groans from people in 1990's or early 2000's when Dublin were down the pecking order behind Meath and at other times behind Laois or Westmeath. Meath, Kildare and Laois have not put the work into their structures and they dont have the challenges Dublin or Dublin clubs have to face.


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    I wouldn't argue against that at all.

    It's the more general argument that's often put out there about how Croke Park is apparently full of space compared to provincial pitches that is an annoyance to me. Granted, it doesn't take an awful lot to annoy me but still....


    Thats a fair point. Take the all ireland hurling final and replay last year. The first game both teams had loads of space to run into wheras certainly in terms of our own forwards, Kilkenny couldnt afford to give us too much space last year or we'd stick the goal chances we missed the first day around.

    Dimensions are an illusion really but environment can make a huge difference


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 212 ✭✭davidfitz22


    Sure everyone knows Donegal are over hyped and have gotten super lucky in recent years. Especially since a certain AI final a few years ago.

    Sorry, where's my manners.....would you fancy some salt with that chip?

    He's right though. We were dead and buried until they missed that goal opportunity. We were very fortunate their backline was non existent. I don't fancy meeting them this year as they will be out for blood against us.


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 4,149 Mod ✭✭✭✭bruschi


    LeoB wrote: »
    H was sort of right. That game between Dublin and Derry was one of the worst games of football played for a few years. Where today we saw some good skills, plenty of scores although Kildare were physically not up to a tough game. The other important point Brolly made was Dublin play football no matter who the opposition is, be it Donegal, Kerry or Mayo. It is better to watch and had Dublin taken a few more chances in the first half last year against Donegal well who knows.............



    None of the other counties in Leinster have the competition Dublin clubs have for players. FACT. You take club on south side like Ballyboden, Kilmacud or Cuala and Rugby are the big games with twice as many Rugby clubs as G.A.A. and schools Rugby is also huge. Go to west and north Dublin, Tallaght, Clondalkin, Blanchardstown, Finglas, Ballymun and Cabra and Soccer is a major sport with rugby a growing game and thats before you include any other sports but the competition for players from Rugby and soccer has to be seen to be believed.

    Dublin G.A.A. does not have the pick of all the kids but what it has is a very good structure in terms of coaching and development. It doesnt work every year but players will come through if you stick with it.

    There were no groans from people in 1990's or early 2000's when Dublin were down the pecking order behind Meath and at other times behind Laois or Westmeath. Meath, Kildare and Laois have not put the work into their structures and they dont have the challenges Dublin or Dublin clubs have to face.

    being slightly facetious and argumentative, but still.

    did Dublin have the same massively inflated income from the GAA then? Did they also have more paid full time coaches than the whole province combined? Did they also play every championship game in Croke Park?

    I get your point, and more arguing for the sake of it than anything, but still, times have moved on hugely since the 90's, and the level of professionalism and money has moved on far beyond that at a huge rate. To try say just because they were down then, so why complain now. The same advantages werent there back then.

    And seriously, the excuse that other places dont have the same competition as Dublin do? Are you honestly using that as an argument to defend the problems that Dublin have to overcome. Dublin have clubs with more members than some county memberships. Every county has their problems, whether social, economic or sports competition, but to try say that Dublin are at a disadvantage because of the competition in the county? Thats really clutching at straws. You mention Cuala, and in one argument people go on about how Cuala are utterly dominating the rugby scene, and have nearly ten times as many members as Blackrock rugby club. They field 95 teams through their age groups. Dont tell me they are struggling with numbers like other clubs in counties do.

    Dublin have massive advantages financially, numbers wise, and home playing field. Ultimately, the best team will win a championship regardless of having any perceived advantages, and Dublin arent always the best team. At the end of it all, you can only have 15 on the field, you dont play with money or fans or club members.

    In spite of the above, I'm sick of reading the same arguments every single time Dublin play. They dont fix the games, the Leinster council do. They dont write the glowing articles about them, the journalists do.

    Dublin have been given a load of money, but they didnt waste a penny of it. They put in structures, they employed very good people and they have made the most of the income in a vast number of ways. The clubs have also done similar, they got great revenue and a lot of it through initiatives and excellent fund raising and this has raised the profile and playing numbers of these clubs.

    Credit to Dublin and what they have done. They have been given a massive leg up, but they took their opportunity to make the best of it, and have been successful in doing so. Its mainly jealousy, and I'll freely admit, I am hugely jealous of the set up, facilities, coaches, money etc dublin has. None of that brings success, and I am far more jealous of the success Dublin has had. More power to them, but I hope you wouldnt take offence if I said I hope it dries up again soon!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,952 ✭✭✭✭Stoner


    Nib wrote:
    Meath were 10 points up at one stage. Hard to blame O'Dowd for that collapse.


    I don't think they looked fit to be honest.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,653 ✭✭✭✭salmocab


    Stoner wrote: »
    I don't think they looked fit to be honest.

    You could be right I'm just watching the highlights and Meath had nothing left in the tank


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,845 ✭✭✭Hidalgo


    salmocab wrote: »
    You could be right I'm just watching the highlights and Meath had nothing left in the tank

    When you own the ball it's easier to run and keep going. When you're constantly chasing it gets more and more tiring. No matter how tired the body is getting, the adrenaline that was coursing through Westmeath players late on was priceless.


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