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PC Gaming Forum [2015 Review & Update]
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26-06-2015 02:05PM#1Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 4,600 CMod ✭✭✭✭Join Date:Posts: 3897
Dear PCG'ers,
As you may or may not know, there has been quite a lot of discussion regarding the future of PCG given it unexpectedly broke its own boundaries and blossomed into something bigger than was originally intended. This isn't considered a bad thing by any means, yet our allowance of general gaming discussions here on PCG (when we already have a general gaming discussion board) required some review after being left unchecked for quite some time.
We're pleased to announce that PCG will be allowed to continue on the path it is going, though out of respect for our sister-forums and gaming areas here on boards, there have been some minor changes you should be aware of.
The Charter has been updated - and a new thread regarding "Non-PC Specifics" has been created. Considering PCG houses many 'general discussions' despite technically belonging on the Gaming (General) board, we encourage you to consider all options before creating a thread. While we won't be clamping down on general game topics in PCG (provided they are in a PC light to begin with), we will definitely be more vigilant when it comes to other off-topic threads.
Outside of that - thank you to everyone who has taken part in PCG since its creation. You've made it blossom beyond expectations and we hope you're enjoying the forum! If you have any public feedback regarding PCG in general, feel free to post your thoughts here
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For now, much like the General Gaming board, PCG will no longer house any discussions, thread titles or implications of 'Master Race', even in jest. We are not in competition here, so be mindful.
Sorry, but just to clarify, is this a piss-take?
Seriously.
Sure, it can be well annoying on unrelated forums where they mightn't be amenable to the joke and all that, but on a PC-centric board, who on earth is going to care?
If someone's going off on some rant about how they hate consoles and all that, it's probably off-topic anyway, and there's already Boards-wide policy in place for dealing with that.
If you're getting offended by sarcastic naming conventions on a board you don't post on, you seriously need to have a word with yourself.0 -
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This forum has gone to the dogs. There's just far too much nannyism and oversight now to the point where constructive debate and critique is stifled for fear of upsetting someone on the internetz (serious business). God forbid someone reads that a complete stranger disliked their favourite video game, walks outside and throws themselves off a bridge....I know it's not the ordinary mods fault because this crap is being set from above but it's clear no discussion towards it's merits are being brought up. For those real gamers out there that want to discuss positive issues AS WELL AS, MOST IMPORTANTLY, THE NEGATIVES...then I'll see you on Neogaf or Reddit. 0
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This forum has gone to the dogs. There's just far too much nannyism and oversight now to the point where constructive debate and critique is stifled for fear of upsetting someone on the internetz (serious business). God forbid someone reads that a complete stranger disliked their favourite video game, walks outside and throws themselves off a bridge....I know it's not the ordinary mods fault because this crap is being set from above but it's clear no discussion towards it's merits are being brought up.
For those real gamers out there that want to discuss positive issues AS WELL AS, MOST IMPORTANTLY, THE NEGATIVES...then I'll see you on Neogaf or Reddit.
Anyway this whole forum's smelling of butthurt and over-moderation.0 -
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The fact people are getting up in arms over it should indicate that it can easily be taken equally as serious in the other direction. Those who visit shouldn't have to see PCMR/CMR or any other titles or comments on either PCG, G(G), or any console forum - it should be applied everywhere, hence it is not an attack on PCG. You may not think it (and I certainly didn't, personally) but it 'can' offend and it 'can' derail threads or cause less traffic - and so it is going to stop, seeing as such attitudes are also held in the forum of which should have rightly housed a lot of our threads until we reaffirmed PCG's position.
There's no "getting up in arms over".
You're just wrong.
Stop being wrong and then nobody will want to tell you you're being wrong.
Those who visit shouldn't have to see PCMR/CMR or any other titles or comments on either PCG,
Why?it should be applied everywhere,
Why?but it 'can' offend and it 'can' derail threads or cause less traffic
In some contexts? Yes.
Like in a forum for a different gaming platform.
Here? No. Not having that. Even your choice of words is strange - "offend" rather than "irritate". Going OT is irritating, not offensive.
Like I said, going off topic is already against the rules.
Saying, "it's against the rules to go off topic and it's also against the rules to go off topic about a specific thing" doesn't make any sense. It's redundant.
It also doesn't follow from that that the way they've gone off topic ought to be banned.
Talking about cheese burgers can drag a thread off topic, but their mention isn't being banned.
The biggest thing about this is that it's just weird.
My impression is that people like light-touch moderation in general and if there's no particular problem, then wading in and throwing new rules around leaves a bad taste.
As far as I can tell we've a healthy community going here. What is the specific need for change? Tweaking the prevalence of multi-platform threads that oughtn't have a PC-specific thread? Yeah, maybe. I haven't noticed it as a problem but I would imagine that it's possible.
Any platform specific forum is going to be a bit insular but that's neither a strength or a weakness. It merely is.0 -
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There's no "getting up in arms over".
You're just wrong.
Stop being wrong and then nobody will want to tell you you're being wrong.
Why?
Why?
In some contexts? Yes.
Like in a forum for a different gaming platform.
Here? No. Not having that. Even your choice of words is strange - "offend" rather than "irritate". Going OT is irritating, not offensive.
Like I said, going off topic is already against the rules.
Saying, "it's against the rules to go off topic and it's also against the rules to go off topic about a specific thing" doesn't make any sense. It's redundant.
It also doesn't follow from that that the way they've gone off topic ought to be banned.
Talking about cheese burgers can drag a thread off topic, but their mention isn't being banned.
The biggest thing about this is that it's just weird.
My impression is that people like light-touch moderation in general and if there's no particular problem, then wading in and throwing new rules around leaves a bad taste.
As far as I can tell we've a healthy community going here. What is the specific need for change? Tweaking the prevalence of multi-platform threads that oughtn't have a PC-specific thread? Yeah, maybe. I haven't noticed it as a problem but I would imagine that it's possible.
Any platform specific forum is going to be a bit insular but that's neither a strength or a weakness. It merely is.
You're going to get an infraction for this. Sad.
Anyway, it's as clear as day that there is a complete chasm between what the users (the lifeblood) of this whole forum expects and what the mods want as seen in that the only people thanking the OP's post are mods and the only people thanking your post are actual normal users.
At the end of the day the only people left to discuss video games will be the mods if this continues.0 -
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It's a feedback thread - all 2cents welcome
While I felt the same, it also harps back to the issue we had before regarding lolcats or yorema. It's silly fare that is equally as silly if taken seriously but they became so norm and publicly acceptable that it was thrown around casually and started to grate on literally everyone.
Not saying the same could or would happen with PCMR related stuff - but on the whole, the Gaming Category is vast and should be pretty open armed. Some people did express offense and some of them can (and do) visit both forums in question - and those were the verbal knowns. There are many, many, quiet unknowns to take into consideration, too. Keeping the PCMR out of titles is a small but welcoming step - the rest can be monitored case by case.
Wait, so somebody came in here.....didn't like the term PCMR and reported it?
That equates me walking into my neighbours house right now and reporting them because I don't approve of the discussion they're having.....0 -
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We laid out the reasons we're imposing a similar ban on this in Gaming (General) here. Sadly, the way we see it used there is most often in a trolling manner, and that tends to lead threads astray and kick off the same old tired, go nowhere format wars. So we're just saying any of that sort of nonsense, be it from PC or console gamers, is not welcome, and frankly I have no doubt it will lead to a friendlier forum for everyone, no question whatsoever. And we've had very little disagreement on the issue from users there (or here, it seems)
I definitely think the case is different for PC Gaming forum, though, so I'd have total trust in RopeDrink and Kiith to take all of your feedback on board and come up with something that is right for this forum
I think the phrase's use will inevitably differ in the different contexts of this forum and over yonder.
Just to give my own personal opinion on the issue: It's only in the last few months I've gotten a proper gaming PC, and it is a beast. But while I certainly now find myself with more of an interest in PC-specific forums, here and elsewhere, I have to confess the attitudes one encounters often turn me right off. And, fair or not, I think the whole PCMR gag has become a sort of shorthand for a lot of that. I don't find it offensive or anything like that (although do tend to avoid likening myself to the Nazis wherever possible): I just find it tired and irritating. While undoubtedly it's often used tongue in cheek, I tend to find there's almost always some degree of earnestness in there as well, and it can be tricky to separate the two. It creates a sort of elitism, accidental or otherwise, that can IMO be a barrier to entry. I totally see the argument that it's mostly totally harmless too, and obviously all communities can and should have their own in-jokes. But above all else I think it just annoys me the same way any joke I heard dozens of times a week would start to grate pretty quickly. It's less the joke that I'd take umbrage with, and more its incessant overuse.
Anyway, that's just my 2c on the subject as somebody who plays a lot of games on PC and consoles alike. Again, total faith in the mods here in taking both sides of the argument on board and coming up with a reasoned solution.0 -
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Sorry, but just to clarify, is this a piss-take?
Seriously.
Sure, it can be well annoying on unrelated forums where they mightn't be amenable to the joke and all that, but on a PC-centric board, who on earth is going to care?
If someone's going off on some rant about how they hate consoles and all that, it's probably off-topic anyway, and there's already Boards-wide policy in place for dealing with that.
If you're getting offended by sarcastic naming conventions on a board you don't post on, you seriously need to have a word with yourself.
Agree with this seem ott, especially as I consider the gaming general forum as console domain and have for some time and this as a pc gamer section.
Similar type of tactic used in radio to calm stuff down when stuff was bad but to apply such a heavy hand here is bloody ridiculous, we must be a terrible bunch.
As someone who has most current and last generation of consoles and hand helds , I am at a loss how the argument of barrier to entry can be put across. Really are we so overly sensitive now ?0 -
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