Would you work somewhere without sick pay?

fullstop · 27-06-2015 03:42PM

jimmycrackcorm wrote: »

I suppose your mobile phone bill is not an expense then.

Well I imagine people need to be contactable during work hours. How do you propose cutting this expense...carrier pigeon?

K.Flyer · 27-06-2015 03:43PM

jimmycrackcorm wrote: »

I suppose your mobile phone bill is not an expense then.

Is that the best you could come up with :rolleyes:

Jawgap · 27-06-2015 03:45PM

DeanAustin wrote: »

So many things are called "the flu" that are no such thing.

Christ, we are a nation of fannies.

Not really, I worked in a job previously were you spent 3/4 hour stretches wearing a respirator - impossible if you had any kind of bronchial illness, plus pretty dangerous for everyone else in the team if one person, literally, can't pull their own weight.

muboop1 · 27-06-2015 03:47PM

Before 2 years ago, I had never taken more then maybe one sick day a year. So didn't think much on it.

Then I had a serious accident playing sports and was in hospital for 2 months. And the rehab plus slow introduction back into work was tough. If I hadn't gotten sick pay... I don't know what I would have done.

I will always consider it in any future jobs.

But I detest those who abuse, as it can often force employers to not have it.

DeanAustin · 27-06-2015 03:48PM

Jawgap wrote: »

Not really, I worked in a job previously were you spent 3/4 hour stretches wearing a respirator - impossible if you had any kind of bronchial illness, plus pretty dangerous for everyone else in the team if one person, literally, can't pull their own weight.

You what?

swimming in a sea · 27-06-2015 03:50PM

My job has uncertified sick leave for up to two days, amazing how many two day sicknesses some get. I've been with the company for over 2 years and have not had a sick day so if I could get a raise and take away the sick days I'd gladly do it.

Jawgap · 27-06-2015 03:51PM

DeanAustin wrote: »

You what?

I'm not sure what's difficult to understand - if you're wearing a resp your breathing is already constricted - if you're suffering from even a mild cold, your congestion further constricts your breathing.

If your 'buddy' goes down or there's a requirement to evac the space and you are not capable of looking after yourself, then some else has to, in other words you become a liability just because you decided not to be a fanny and declare yourself unfit for work

Xaracatz · 27-06-2015 03:52PM

People who justify sick days when they have the sniffles always use the excuse that it's better than coming in and spreading it around.

Here - it's not like their co-workers are licking them.

In my job, the entire team in my department (about 20 people) have probably 3 sick days between them all year. Probably because we have a great team, and really good management. We'll go in because we want to do our job. It would take a hell of a lot for me to call in sick. And, if I really couldn't make it in (which happened once) I can work from home.

But, in saying that, I took plenty of "sick" days in my first job, which I hated and dreaded. So, if employees are routinely taking time off like this - it might be worth looking at the work / atmosphere, and figuring out if there's a reason that they're looking for excuses not to come in, rather than enjoying and getting satisfaction from their work.

DeanAustin · 27-06-2015 03:58PM

Jawgap wrote: »

I'm not sure what's difficult to understand - if you're wearing a resp your breathing is already constricted - if you're suffering from even a mild cold, your congestion further constricts your breathing.

If your 'buddy' goes down or there's a requirement to evac the space and you are not capable of looking after yourself, then some else has to, in other words you become a liability just because you decided not to be a fanny and declare yourself unfit for work

Understand the first half of this and have yet to encounter it in the workplace.

I've no idea what you're talking about after that.

monkeysnapper · 27-06-2015 04:06PM

nokia69 wrote: »

its been close to 10 years since I had a sick day, so I don't need sick pay

some people I work with can't go more than 2 weeks without calling in sick

I'm the same friend..... Some people are survivors and others victims .

Menas · 27-06-2015 04:09PM

It does surprise me that the average number of sick days in the private sector in ireland is 6. That seems high to me.

Dr conrad murray · 27-06-2015 04:22PM

my company copy the social welfare by not paying sickpay for the first 6 days of any illness. very rare that anyone is out sick where I work.

27-06-2015 04:43PM

I have sick days but I would most likely just "work" from home if sick rather than go getting it put down as a sick day. Obviously if I was out longer than a day or two it would be different.

Sam Kade · 27-06-2015 04:47PM

TwoShedsJackson wrote: »

What about someone who does come in and spreads it around the place?

Jawgap wrote: »

.....or the people who think what they have is a cold starting but it turns out to be flu, which they then spread around the place

Lame excuses to get days off work.

Sam Kade · 27-06-2015 04:51PM

Jawgap wrote: »

I'm not sure what's difficult to understand - if you're wearing a resp your breathing is already constricted - if you're suffering from even a mild cold, your congestion further constricts your breathing.

If your 'buddy' goes down or there's a requirement to evac the space and you are not capable of looking after yourself, then some else has to, in other words you become a liability just because you decided not to be a fanny and declare yourself unfit for work

You're really scraping the bottom of the barrel now, where do you work a nuclear power plant?

Jawgap · 27-06-2015 05:38PM

Sam Kade wrote: »

Lame excuses to get days off work.

Except my attendance at work for the last 25 years has been exemplary

Jawgap · 27-06-2015 05:39PM

Sam Kade wrote: »

You're really scraping the bottom of the barrel now, where do you work a nuclear power plant?

No, it was when I was pm'ing factory refits.

27-06-2015 05:43PM

Sick pay has never been relevant to me when applying for or accepting a job offer!

Employers don't like to hear, "I would like to know if I will get paid when out sick?"

"NEXT"

Little CuChulainn · 27-06-2015 05:47PM

DeanAustin wrote: »

This gets overstated.

Anyway a head cold never killed anyone.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1324793/Danielle-Brooker-dies-common-cold-virus-causes-fatal-brain-infection.html

At best you are being self centred by not caring if you infect others. Maybe they are very unlikely to die but you will still cause them a lot of discomfort for a few days and what right have you to do that?

27-06-2015 06:16PM

Some people I work really abuse the sick pay system. They see them as holidays!

I've taken one sick day off in my life, had a vomiting bug. And even at that I rang my manager to say sorry because I felt bad

anncoates · 27-06-2015 06:32PM

No I wouldn't. It'd be rare in my industry I'd have thought but maybe some people have to accept jobs without it so it's hard to judge.

YouTookMyName · 27-06-2015 06:39PM

I tried to call in sick once, was told get my hairy hole out of bed.

Teyla Emmagan · 27-06-2015 07:09PM

Currently self employed but in my last job I had to take 2 months off work after having an accident. Was a god send. Full pay and all.

DeanAustin · 27-06-2015 07:11PM

Little CuChulainn wrote: »

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1324793/Danielle-Brooker-dies-common-cold-virus-causes-fatal-brain-infection.html

At best you are being self centred by not caring if you infect others. Maybe they are very unlikely to die but you will still cause them a lot of discomfort for a few days and what right have you to do that?

"A lot of discomfort"????

Jesus wept.

Cold War Kid · 27-06-2015 07:20PM

Have done. It sucks when you've been out sick for a few days with a dose that requires dragging yourself to the doctor/pharmacist, and you have a sick cert, and there's a chunk of a deduction then on your next payslip.
Would never ring in sick unless actually sick enough to need to stay in bed - I'd be bored sh-tless if I did so falsely, and afraid to head out anywhere in case I was spotted.

Sometimes self employed people go on as if someone forced them to be self employed.

Employee protections aren't a sign of the apocalypse like. And can only be beneficial for morale and productivity and loyalty.

27-06-2015 07:31PM

Cold War Kid wrote: »

Sometimes self employed people go on as if someone forced them to be self employed.

They also aren't necessarily not making money when off sick, people who work alone etc lose out but people who run businesses and have people working for them are still making money when other people are doing the work.

failinis · 27-06-2015 07:44PM

I think its important its available if some is absolutely in need of it.
Severe flu or vomiting or something like that.
I have chronic health issues which means I would look for work with sick leave but the only reason I would miss would be a very bad flu. If its a poxy cold get your self into work (unless its in a care home or hospital)

Sam Kade · 27-06-2015 07:44PM

Little CuChulainn wrote: »

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1324793/Danielle-Brooker-dies-common-cold-virus-causes-fatal-brain-infection.html

At best you are being self centred by not caring if you infect others. Maybe they are very unlikely to die but you will still cause them a lot of discomfort for a few days and what right have you to do that?

Maybe we should all live in bubbles, germs spread and anyone won't be in agony with the common cold.

Streetwalker · 27-06-2015 08:11PM

Treat it as annual leave in my place when I can. Work is way down my list of priorities.

Streetwalker · 27-06-2015 08:14PM

Lia_lia wrote: »

Some people I work really abuse the sick pay system. They see them as holidays!

I've taken one sick day off in my life, had a vomiting bug. And even at that I rang my manager to say sorry because I felt bad

Morto for ya

Would you work somewhere without sick pay?

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