How to defeat Terrorists.

inforfun · 27-06-2015 11:37AM

SeanW wrote: »

I think some of the world governments are ahead of you, apparently the term "violent extremism" is in vogue nowadays, in preference to the the more accurate term, "Islamic terror".

Careful now, you don't want Nodin or some other lefty calling scweaming "waycism" ...

They are too busy defending those 7 Ethiopians that are trying to scam their way in by claiming asylum and having no documents.
Easier than this one.

Samaris · 27-06-2015 12:31PM

SeanW wrote: »

I think some of the world governments are ahead of you, apparently the term "violent extremism" is in vogue nowadays, in preference to the the more accurate term, "Islamic terror".

Careful now, you don't want Nodin or some other lefty calling scweaming "waycism" ...

You probably won't get a very civil debate on it by giving us "lefties" an apparent speech impediment. Is it a thing now that filthy liberals can't pronounce the letter "r"? O.o

There is certainly no point in ignoring that extremist Islamic beliefs are pushing all this forward, and unlike in Northern Ireland for instance, it's far more than just a label that covers a political motivation. (Sure, there was "Catholic" and "Protestant", but it was really Republican and Unionist). However, there's also no ignoring that extremist fundamentalism of any stripe is dangerous. I won't go so far as to say that going after all "Islam" to get to the terrorists is like wanting to destroy Christianity to get the Westboro Baptist Church, that's a little too simplistic. But calling it "Islamic terror" if anything gives it a lot more legitimacy by implying that everyone who is a Muslim is approving of ISIS and the like.

Sligo Quay · 27-06-2015 12:32PM

IrishTrajan wrote: »

Well, which is it, do you want them going in, or do you never want them to go in again?

You've obviously missed my point, if you believe Bush & Blair, their reasons for invading Iraq in 2003 was getting rid of weapons of mass distruction which where not there in the 1st place and also freeing the country of ''evil of Sadam'' now we have the evil of Isis and they do nothing, that's all I'm saying.

AndonHandon · 27-06-2015 12:33PM

Abolishing internet anonymity is start.

mud_raker · 27-06-2015 12:36PM

Streetwalker wrote: »

Stop invading their countries may be a good start.

the guy in many ISIS videos ( jihadi john ) grew up in London , who has invaded the uk of late ?

if the argument that western imperialism was the entire cause of the rise of ISIS

then surely we would be witnessing terror groups from all over latin America and Christian Africa , the west has been exploiting many parts of the world for a very long time through trade deals ( let alone arming factions etc ) yet the current terror threat all has a common theme

mud_raker · 27-06-2015 12:40PM

P_1 wrote: »

Education, secularisation and equality.

Show them a better path to life.

Show them their religion is nuts.

Give them a decent shake at life.

Long term,, no silver bullet, unsexy but it might just work

Sweden has been trying that for more than a decade yet cant understand why no go areas exist in Gothenburg and Stockholm and why muslim men make up a disproportionate number of rapists in that country

Depraved · 27-06-2015 12:41PM

Streetwalker wrote: »

Stop invading their countries may be a good start.

And bombing millions of their civilians.

40 years of American interference in the internal affairs of Muslim countries is what led to there being so many terrorists. And every time they civilians it cause recruitment in terrorist groups to sky rocket.

Taking revenge against terrorists by hurting their (mostly) innocent families serves no purpose other than giving terrorists more reason to fight.

However...what has started now will not end easily. Neither side wants peace. They both despise each other and will spend the next 50 years killing each other and achieving nothing but bringing misery to millions. Eventually I predict an all out war with Muslim vs Western nations, with Islam being banned in the West.

mud_raker · 27-06-2015 12:42PM

Eugene Norman wrote: »

And yet France was the country most opposed to American imperialism and Middle East imperialism.

they banned the head scarf

mud_raker · 27-06-2015 12:43PM

Eugene Norman wrote: »

How come we can generalise about the "wider western world" but not Islam?

because liberals tend to set the paramiters when it comes to the tone of a debate

mud_raker · 27-06-2015 12:46PM

donegaLroad wrote: »

she still proved that it could be done through dialogue... had she been around some years earlier it might not have dragged on a few decades.

If people like her were to intervene now, then this whirlpool of violence may cease.

the IRA were completely run over with informers by the time the dialogue began , the IRA lost , the politicans just showed up at the end to sugar coat the republican surrender

no country in western Europe would be allowed to discriminate againt 45% of the population as happened in northern Ireland by the orange sectarian statelet , the weird thing was that London was allowed to let it happen for so long , the unionists caused the troubles but in the end the IRA could not win , mow mowlam didn't do anything like various british army campaigns to bring about a resolution

mud_raker · 27-06-2015 12:48PM

Junkyard Tom wrote: »

Eh.. apportioning blame where it should be apportioned should be a good thing because it should prevent 'us' from repeating the mistakes of the past.

Former US Army Col. Larry Wilkerson (Former Chief of Staff to Colin Powell, Visiting professor at the College of William & Mary, teaching courses on U.S. national security) estimates that in the year 2000 there was in the region of 300 to 500 people in the world with the desire and support/capacity to inflict damage on the US/West; recently Wilkerson estimates (via consulting with a CIA analyst) that there are now 50,000.

The above is a meaningless statement unless its purpose is to try play down the role the invasion played. If Dinosaurs hadn't been essentially wiped out then we may or may not have had WWII.

getting rid of sadamn and gadaffi was a disaster but we now see that the populations under those dictators were fanatical anyway , we did not see the same thing happen when Mussolini was removed from Italy or hitler from Germany , there is an inherent willingness to enforce morality upon others within islam

Harry Palmr · 27-06-2015 12:49PM

Part of the problem is unfortunately the media who delight in doing IS work for them in part with scary reports featuring IS propaganda.

I'm looking through the wiki list of what are termed Non Government Terrorist incidents

1970 A bomb explodes in the rear of Swissair Flight 330, causing it to crash near Zürich, killing 38 passengers and all nine crew members. The attack was carried out by Palestinian terrorist group PFLP

1971 February 22: The Official Irish Republican Army kills seven civilians in Aldershot after it bombs a British Army military barracks.

1971 Israel, May 30: Lod Airport Massacre by the Japanese Red Army terrorists, killing 26 and injuring 78.

1971 United Kingdom, July 31: Claudy bombings; three car bombs are detonated in Claudy, killing nine people. No group has claimed responsibility.

1972 USSR, May 18: An Aeroflot Tupolev Tu-104B flying from Irkutsk Airport to Chita Airport explodes in flight after a passenger detonated a bomb when refused passage to China. The plane crashed east of Lake Baikal, with all 82 passengers killed.[2]

1972 Italy, December 17: Pan Am Flight 110: 30 passengers were killed when Palestinian guerillas threw phosphorus bombs aboard the aircraft as it prepares for departure.[6]

1974 Israel, April 11: Kiryat Shmona massacre at an apartment building by the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine members, killing 18 people, nine of whom were children.

1974 Ireland, May 17: Ulster Volunteer Force detonate three car bombs in Dublin and one in Monaghan, killing 35 civilians, the deadliest toll of any one day in Ireland's 'Troubles'.

1974 Italy, August 4: Italicus Express train between Roma and Brennero explodes, killing twelve and injuring 44. Attributed to fascist group Ordine nero.

1974 United States, September 8: TWA Flight 841: Bomb kills 88 on jetliner. Attributed to Abu Nidal and his terrorist organization.

1974 United Kingdom, November 21: Birmingham pub bombing by the IRA kills 21 people, injures 182.

and so on, the 70s and early to mid 80s were incredibly violent across Europe, the mid-east and Japan but its easy to forget that now. IS and other Jihadist types are probably not killing more Westerners than were being murdered by the phalanx of Palestinian and far left or far right groups that ran riot for a generation.

Herb Powell · 27-06-2015 12:50PM

Punish their entire families?

Fucck off to North Korea with that kind of talk, OP.

As for how to defeat them? Their entire goal is to scare a population/government into submission, so probably the best thing is to avoid mass hysteria. Easier said than done.

People laughing at the idea that the west somehow has no hand in this are wrong. The west has been fuccking up the middle east for decades upon decades now. They never had a chance. It only makes sense that people lose hope and turn to something so extreme. It doesn't excuse their activity at all, but I really think anyone who thinks the west is blameless is in denial.

mud_raker · 27-06-2015 12:50PM

Depraved wrote: »

And bombing millions of their civilians.

40 years of American interference in the internal affairs of Muslim countries is what led to there being so many terrorist. And very time they civilians it cause recruitment in terrorist groups to sky rocket.

Taking revenge against terrorists by hurting their (mostly) innocent families serves no purpose other than giving terrorists more reason to fight.

However...what has started now will not end easily. Neither side wants peace. They both despise each other and will spend the next 50 years killing each other and achieving nothing but bringing misery to millions. Eventually I predict an all out war with Muslim vs Western nations, with Islam being banned in the West.

American goverments have been interfering in latin America for decades too yet we don't see terror moviements stemming from catholic Nicaragua

why

mud_raker · 27-06-2015 12:52PM

Herb Powell wrote: »

Punish their entire families?

Fucck off to North Korea with that kind of talk, OP.

As for how to defeat them? Their entire goal is to scare a population/government into submission, so probably the best thing is to avoid mass hysteria. Easier said than done.

People laughing at the idea that the west somehow has no hand in this are wrong. The west has been fuccking up the middle east for decades upon decades now. They never had a chance. It only makes sense that people lose hope and turn to something so extreme. It doesn't excuse their activity at all, but I really think anyone who thinks the west is blameless is in denial.

how come jihadi john is over in Syria , his country wasn't fcuked with by the west

why have muslims an instant kinship with other muslims in far away lands , shows a lack of loyalty to there home country and ties in with the ISIS idea of no borders , just the entire world being ruled under sharia

omega666 · 27-06-2015 12:53PM

mud_raker wrote:

if the argument that western imperialism was the entire cause of the rise of ISIS

I don't think there is an argument that western imperialism isn't the cause of this. The history of ISIS is free for anyone to read from Afghanistan to Iraq and then Syria

mud_raker · 27-06-2015 12:54PM

irish catholics didn't head to east timor around 1999 when that catholic part of Indonesia was under attack by muslims from the mainland

yet british born muslims are excused for travelling to the mid east to defend there muslim bretheren

we apply different rules for muslims

mud_raker · 27-06-2015 12:56PM

omega666 wrote: »

I don't think there is an argument that western imperialism isn't the cause of this. The history of ISIS is free for anyone to read from Afghanistan to Iraq and then Syria

im saying if it was down to western imperialism , swathes of latin America would be engaged in terror but they are not as they are catholic

the common theme is not a response to western imperialism , its islam

Johngoose · 27-06-2015 12:56PM

Sunbathe with a bullet proof vest on, in your holiday resort.:)

Herb Powell · 27-06-2015 12:56PM

mud_raker wrote: »

how come jihadi john is over in Syria , his country wasn't fcuked with by the west

why have muslims an instant kinship with other muslims in far away lands , shows a lack of loyalty to there home country and ties in with the ISIS idea of no borders , just the entire world being ruled under sharia

He's a good example of someone who probably never felt fully English, but found identity in Islam. It's the exact same pattern in extremists of any flavour, they're disenfranchised and start looking for extreme answers. Before you read it this way, this is not a "poor him" post, this is just a well observed and much reported phenomenon.

diomed · 27-06-2015 01:00PM

Keep Turkey out of the EU.
Stop flights to and from the middle east and north Africa.
Do not allow citizens back into the EU who have been in the middle east, north Africa, Pakistan, Afghanistan on holidays.

mud_raker · 27-06-2015 01:00PM

Herb Powell wrote: »

He's a good example of someone who probably never felt fully English, but found identity in Islam. It's the exact same pattern in extremists of any flavour, they're disenfranchised and start looking for extreme answers. Before you read it this way, this is not a "poor him" post, this is just a well observed and much reported phenomenon.

ive never felt fully from the county I hail from as hurling does nothing for me

Herb Powell · 27-06-2015 01:01PM

mud_raker wrote: »

ive never felt fully from the county I hail from as hurling does nothing for me

Are you now an extreme cricketer?

wes · 27-06-2015 01:21PM

So to stop terrorism the op suggests being terrorists ourselves......

BTW, the Israel/Palestine conflict is still ongoing, with Israel murdering a lot more civilians than Hamas, and as such are the bigger terrorists.

So the answer to terrorism is to make sure there is more of it. That is all kind of stupid.

Timberrrrrrrr · 27-06-2015 01:23PM

diomed wrote: »

Keep Turkey out of the EU.
Stop flights to and from the middle east and north Africa.
Do not allow citizens back into the EU who have been in the middle east, north Africa, Pakistan, Afghanistan on holidays.

LOL

Idiotic post full of idiotic ideas.

indioblack · 27-06-2015 01:41PM

Johngoose wrote: »

Sunbathe with a bullet proof vest on, in your holiday resort.:)

If that's a reference to the news from Tunisia it's in very bad taste.

Samaris · 27-06-2015 01:50PM

indioblack wrote: »

If that's a reference to the news from Tunisia it's in very bad taste.

Yeah, well, the guy after him doesn't want to let the survivors go home! Apparently we should leave them in Tunisia, presumably in case they suddenly converted.

Cork boy 55 · 27-06-2015 01:55PM

mass detentions, population relocation, food control collection of background information, pseudo-gangs (both double agents and false flag), and tactical patience during intelligence collection.

Samaris · 27-06-2015 01:57PM

Cork boy 55 wrote: »

mass detentions, population relocation, food control collection of background information, pseudo-gangs (both double agents and false flag), and tactical patience during intelligence collection.

Really not sure if you're advocating this, and if so, against who exactly, or saying that this is going on.

fullstop · 27-06-2015 01:59PM

Johngoose wrote: »

Sunbathe with a bullet proof vest on, in your holiday resort.:)

That's a pretty fcuking **** comment.

How to defeat Terrorists.

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