How to defeat Terrorists.

Tigerbaby

I have been strongly anti-Israel for a long time, *but* I'm beginning to wonder that one of their policies may be right.

How can we respond to those who perpetrate these cowardly attacks?

These People , and I use the term loosely, commit barbaric acts; beheadings, racial and religious attacks, tourists.. innocents all.
The murderers/ jihadis/ psychopaths who can, with a clear mind, decide to visit dreadful injury and death on innocent people must be brought to justice.

HOW ?
How do you punish someone who has decided that death is a glorious coda to their lives? That they will float off to a heavenly paradise for their reward?

A simple solution, which may focus the minds of these erstwhile "followers of God" before they decide to attack;

Simply advise ( politely ) that in the event of them committing such an atrocity, that their Families will suffer. Made Homeless, deported, charged with being accessories to the crime.

The Israelis demolish the homes of suicide bombers.

Perhaps it might cause these "brave fighters" to reconsider their planned actions.

Hit them where it hurts.

NIMAN

put them in a field ..........

Sheep Lover

With a bad attitude and a serious case of halitosis.

Streetwalker

Stop invading their countries may be a good start.

Mr.Goodman

A big force field.

Mint Aero

Israel are right all along but don't waste your breathe on the sheeple which populate AH.

Mightydrumming

Terrorists Terrorists Terrorists, all over boards tonight... fabulously joyful Friday night I must say :rolleyes:

SEPT 23 1989

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Harry Palmr

Tigerbaby wrote: »

The murderers/ jihadis/ psychopaths who can, with a clear mind, decide to visit dreadful injury and death on innocent people must be brought to justice.

HOW ?
How do you punish someone who has decided that death is a glorious coda to their lives? That they will float off to a heavenly paradise for their reward?

A simple solution, which may focus the minds of these erstwhile "followers of God" before they decide to attack;

Simply advise ( politely ) that in the event of them committing such an atrocity, that their Families will suffer. Made Homeless, deported, charged with being accessories to the crime.

This pre-supposes that your average jihadi is a functioning well balanced insightful human being and that they'd give a fvck about their family, rather than regarding same as a necessary sacrifice in the eternal struggle to establish a caliphate.

The ones who would care are not the problem, beyond being fellow travellers and sneaking regarders.

worded

Maybe stop welcoming them into ireland and handing them Irish passports.

Tigerbaby

Streetwalker wrote: »

Stop invading their countries may be a good start.

dont see any Irish people invading anyones Country do you?

grow up . These are not nice people. However, familial ties may divert them from carrying out these acts.

Mightydrumming

Tigerbaby wrote: »

However, familial ties may divert them from carrying out these acts.

Would you stop, you sound like Liam Neeson. ''I'll find you and I'll hunt you down''. :pac:

Streetwalker

Tigerbaby wrote: »

dont see any Irish people invading anyones Country do you?

grow up . These are not nice people. However, familial ties may divert them from carrying out these acts.

We are talking about the wider western world here. As far as im aware Islamist terrorists haven't carried out any attacks in Ireland as of yet. Grow up :pac: any older and ill be in a box lad.

inforfun

Streetwalker wrote: »

Stop invading their countries may be a good start.

Unless you consider having an holiday on a Tunisien beach an invasion of their country, i dont think that was exactly the reason that **** went up the beach today and killed 37 people.

Which country had the visitors of that mosque in Kuwait that was bombed today invaded?

Tigerbaby

^^

Ye must be fairly old to call me a "lad".

so we wait and obfuscate until the problem arrives at our door, eh?

Well it just has for at least one Irish Family.

helimachoptor

Streetwalker wrote: »

Stop invading their countries may be a good start.

Yes very hard to stop the hordes of pasty white english/irish people invading Tunisia

tigerboon

Tigerbaby wrote: »

HOW ?
How do you punish someone who has decided that death is a glorious coda to their lives

The priority should be to remove the threat to innocent people regardless of what they believe.

keith16

tigerboon wrote: »

The priority should be to remove the threat to innocent people regardless of what they believe.

That's certainly not a priority for IS. There is no such thing as a pluralist society as far as they are concerned.

Sligo Quay

Streetwalker wrote: »

Stop invading their countries may be a good start.

Absolutely so true, Blair & Bush have a lot to answer for, they thought they'd never get into Iraq in 2003, they left chaos and mayhem behind, they went in when they shouldn't have, now they do nothing while Isis murder in the most horrendous fashion, when terrible atrocities occur, 2 words are used ''NEVER AGAIN'' they had good excuse in history, 1st WW, 2nd WW, Rwanda 1994 etc, well it is happening again.
In today's social media (via the internet) there is no excuse, we all know what happening inside Syria and Iraq, the links are too gruesome, chilling, horrible, horrendous and horrific to post here, but just Google ''men in a cage'' if you have a strong stomach, and you'll see people being murdered, the ''super powers'' USA UK & Russia etc should hang their heads in shame, for doing nothing to stop this slaughter.

kumate_champ07

try not to give them a reason to exist

OneOfThem

Tigerbaby wrote: »

I have been strongly anti-Israel for a long time, *but* I'm beginning to wonder that one of their policies may be right.

How can we respond to those who perpetrate these cowardly attacks?

These People , and I use the term loosely, commit barbaric acts; beheadings, racial and religious attacks, tourists.. innocents all.
The murderers/ jihadis/ psychopaths who can, with a clear mind, decide to visit dreadful injury and death on innocent people must be brought to justice.

HOW ?
How do you punish someone who has decided that death is a glorious coda to their lives? That they will float off to a heavenly paradise for their reward?

A simple solution, which may focus the minds of these erstwhile "followers of God" before they decide to attack;

Simply advise ( politely ) that in the event of them committing such an atrocity, that their Families will suffer. Made Homeless, deported, charged with being accessories to the crime.

The Israelis demolish the homes of suicide bombers.

Perhaps it might cause these "brave fighters" to reconsider their planned actions.

Hit them where it hurts.

Did it work? I don't really keep up with these kinds of things. Is that what happened? Israel started demolishing the homes of suicide bombers and people stopped suicide bombing?

Son Of A Vidic

Tigerbaby wrote: »

The Israelis demolish the homes of suicide bombers.

Collective punishment is a breach of international law and the Geneva Convention. But hey, they're handy enough with the oul breaches of human rights and the brutalisation of innocent civilians. Such stone age tactics merely generate hate & violence and are completely counterproductive. Sometimes terrorists groups can't be reasoned with, but state terror inflicted upon the innocent is never the way to go.

tvnutz

Streetwalker wrote: »

Stop invading their countries may be a good start.

For a lot of these nutters its not even about that. Al-Qaeda even think ISIS and these new crazies have gone too far, not to say Al-Qaeda are in anyway sane but its not about invading countries. According to the scriptures for these people Islam has to be spread to the entire world, that's the goal, anyone who is not Muslim is an infidal and deserves to die. That is nothing to do with invading someones country, yet this is their logic.

They can't be reasoned with, they need to be wiped out.

Sand

OneOfThem wrote: »

Did it work? I don't really keep up with these kinds of things. Is that what happened? Israel started demolishing the homes of suicide bombers and people stopped suicide bombing?

Pretty much - 238 fatalities by suicide bombings in 2002. 1 fatality in 2008. You might argue with the methods, but they get results.

bb1234567

Streetwalker wrote: »

Stop invading their countries may be a good start.

Many of the terrorists come from countries that have never been invaded by westerners.

Herpes Cineplex

bb1234567 wrote: »

Many of the terrorists come from countries that have never been invaded by westerners.

I'd say they are easily outnumbered though, by the many uniformed terrorists from the west.

tigerboon

keith16 wrote: »

That's certainly not a priority for IS. There is no such thing as a pluralist society as far as they are concerned.

Not wishing to go round in circles but why even think about what concerns them. They are a threat to the West so Western Forces need to remove them. ISIS are evil bastards that need to be dealt with in a decisive way

Timberrrrrrrr

Sand wrote: »

Pretty much - 238 fatalities by suicide bombings in 2002. 1 fatality in 2008. You might argue with the methods, but they get results.

Yeah

The big **** off wall they built had nothing to do with it at all :rolleyes:

P_1

Education, secularisation and equality.

Show them a better path to life.

Show them their religion is nuts.

Give them a decent shake at life.

Long term,, no silver bullet, unsexy but it might just work

LETHAL LADY

Do you think they'd be less scary if they were called something other than terrorists? Something along the lines of a great big shower of bastards might suit them better.

Sir Osis of Liver.

Behead some sense into them.

tigerboon

LETHAL LADY wrote: »

Do you think they'd be less scary if they were called something other than terrorists? Something along the lines of a great big shower of bastards might suit them better.

Or bunny rabbits! Who's afraid of bunny rabbits?

IrishTrajan

Streetwalker wrote: »

Stop invading their countries may be a good start.

Yeah, Israel was the one who invaded first :rolleyes:

Turtwig

Isis's origin is a complex beast blaming the UK and Is stupid invasion of Iraq is far too simplistic. ISIS may or may not have surged into prominence with or without the invasion.

Easiest way to defeat terrorists is removed sensational media coverage. News media vultures make one fcking killing out to be a something that can tear apart society. More people are murdered in the US per day than terrorists kill in western countries in a year. At the end of day they could only kill tiny percentages of a population. Yet, the more the media insists of overly dramatic presentations the more insecure people will feel. Terrorists win by inflicting terror. You defeat that by telling everyone to calm the fck down. Less than hundred people were killed in the two main headline events today. Society was barely dented. Yet if reports are to believed our hearts were pierced and all of society was weakened.

RIP to the deceased, thoughts are with their families, the victims and their friends family. This story should just be ignored from now and let the families mourn in peace. Putting the extended media spotlight on it is how the terrorists win and gain motivation to try further garner further sensational coverage.

IrishTrajan

Sligo Quay wrote: »

The ''super powers'' USA UK & Russia etc should hang their heads in shame, for doing nothing to stop this slaughter.

You complain when they go in and say "never again", and now you're complaining when they don't go in?

Well, which is it, do you want them going in, or do you never want them to go in again?

Sand

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

Yeah

The big **** off wall they built had nothing to do with it at all :rolleyes:

It certainly didn't hurt and the building of that wall was equally decried as a monstrous and evil act. Either way, the Israeli response was effective. That 1 fatality in 2008 was the last death to a suicide bomber inside Israel on record. When you consider the 200+ deaths in 2002, that's thousands of lives saved.

Ludikrus

Change channel and watch Glastonbury.

donegaLroad

terrorism can be defeated through dialogue and bargaining.

IrishTrajan

P_1 wrote: »

Education, secularisation and equality.

Show them a better path to life.

Show them their religion is nuts.

Give them a decent shake at life.

Long term,, no silver bullet, unsexy but it might just work

You know, that all works in theory... Until you find that there are still psychotic bástards who will follow the scripture. Look at Jihadi John. He's from a well-to-do family and went to a nice school, yet he's still head-hacking.

Apologies but this hand-holding "everyone wants peace" is simply a farce. Is that what the majority want? Definitely. Is that going to stop those who are actually psychotic little shíts? Absolutely not.

IrishTrajan

Sand wrote: »

It certainly didn't hurt and the building of that wall was equally decried as a monstrous and evil act. Either way, the Israeli response was effective. That 1 fatality in 2008 was the last death to a suicide bomber inside Israel on record. When you consider the 200+ deaths in 2002, that's thousands of lives saved.

Surely the goal of a suicide bombing is to cause at least more than one death (his own is pretty much guaranteed), or it's failure?

tigerboon

donegaLroad wrote: »

terrorism can be defeated through dialogue and bargaining.

Which means comprises, which justifies the terrorism, thus inspiring the next lot

Eugene Norman

Streetwalker wrote: »

Stop invading their countries may be a good start.

And yet France was the country most opposed to American imperialism and Middle East imperialism.

SILVAMAN

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Pretzill

IrishTrajan wrote: »

You know, that all works in theory... Until you find that there are still psychotic bástards who will follow the scripture. Look at Jihadi John. He's from a well-to-do family and went to a nice school, yet he's still head-hacking.

Apologies but this hand-holding "everyone wants peace" is simply a farce. Is that what the majority want? Definitely. Is that going to stop those who are actually psychotic little shíts? Absolutely not.

Quite true and ISIS and the like are realising it doesn't take an army, just one badly intentioned f*ck with a gun or a bomb to create complete chaos. But it's not a psychosis no illness of the mind exists in terror from the perpetrators perspective, that's just another westernised way of trying to understand what drives these people. Truth is we don't truly understand. It's becoming the stuff of fiction, in the sense of good versus evil...it has little to do with Israel or Palestine or any troubled area in the world where you can identify or sympathise with both sides or either.

This sort of terror has no real home. It is separating the religion it believes it supports. It's shaming Islam. And all good thinking people need to remind them of that.

(Apologies for being too heavy for AH)

donegaLroad

tigerboon wrote: »

Which means comprises, which justifies the terrorism, thus inspiring the next lot

what about Mo Mowlam and the work she did in the lead up tho the Good Friday agreement?

SILVAMAN

Streetwalker wrote: »

We are talking about the wider western world here. As far as im aware Islamist terrorists haven't carried out any attacks in Ireland as of yet. Grow up :pac: any older and ill be in a box lad.

Not yet.

tigerboon

donegaLroad wrote: »

what about Mo Mowlam and the work she did in the lead up tho the Good Friday agreement?

Unfortunately it took a few decades to get to that point.

Eugene Norman

Streetwalker wrote: »

We are talking about the wider western world here. As far as im aware Islamist terrorists haven't carried out any attacks in Ireland as of yet. Grow up :pac: any older and ill be in a box lad.

How come we can generalise about the "wider western world" but not Islam?

donegaLroad

tigerboon wrote: »

Unfortunately it took a few decades to get to that point.

she still proved that it could be done through dialogue... had she been around some years earlier it might not have dragged on a few decades.

If people like her were to intervene now, then this whirlpool of violence may cease.

IrishTrajan

donegaLroad wrote: »

she still proved that it could be done through dialogue... had she been around some years earlier it might not have dragged on a few decades.

If people like her were to intervene now, then this whirlpool of violence may cease.

Yeah, because dissidents didn't splinter and continue fighting or anything. It's not like there's still shootings and the occasional bomb scare on the island.

donegaLroad

IrishTrajan wrote: »

Yeah, because dissidents didn't splinter and continue fighting or anything. It's not like there's still shootings and the occasional bomb scare on the island.

that is very small buns now, compared to what was going on in the heat of the troubles. There was a death every second day in the 70's & 80's.