How to defeat Terrorists.

tigerboon · 27-06-2015 01:10AM

LETHAL LADY wrote: »

Do you think they'd be less scary if they were called something other than terrorists? Something along the lines of a great big shower of bastards might suit them better.

Or bunny rabbits! Who's afraid of bunny rabbits?

IrishTrajan · 27-06-2015 01:11AM

Streetwalker wrote: »

Stop invading their countries may be a good start.

Yeah, Israel was the one who invaded first :rolleyes:

Turtwig · 27-06-2015 01:13AM

Isis's origin is a complex beast blaming the UK and Is stupid invasion of Iraq is far too simplistic. ISIS may or may not have surged into prominence with or without the invasion.

Easiest way to defeat terrorists is removed sensational media coverage. News media vultures make one fcking killing out to be a something that can tear apart society. More people are murdered in the US per day than terrorists kill in western countries in a year. At the end of day they could only kill tiny percentages of a population. Yet, the more the media insists of overly dramatic presentations the more insecure people will feel. Terrorists win by inflicting terror. You defeat that by telling everyone to calm the fck down. Less than hundred people were killed in the two main headline events today. Society was barely dented. Yet if reports are to believed our hearts were pierced and all of society was weakened.

RIP to the deceased, thoughts are with their families, the victims and their friends family. This story should just be ignored from now and let the families mourn in peace. Putting the extended media spotlight on it is how the terrorists win and gain motivation to try further garner further sensational coverage.

IrishTrajan · 27-06-2015 01:13AM

Sligo Quay wrote: »

The ''super powers'' USA UK & Russia etc should hang their heads in shame, for doing nothing to stop this slaughter.

You complain when they go in and say "never again", and now you're complaining when they don't go in?

Well, which is it, do you want them going in, or do you never want them to go in again?

Sand · 27-06-2015 01:16AM

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

Yeah

The big **** off wall they built had nothing to do with it at all :rolleyes:

It certainly didn't hurt and the building of that wall was equally decried as a monstrous and evil act. Either way, the Israeli response was effective. That 1 fatality in 2008 was the last death to a suicide bomber inside Israel on record. When you consider the 200+ deaths in 2002, that's thousands of lives saved.

Ludikrus · 27-06-2015 01:16AM

Change channel and watch Glastonbury.

donegaLroad · 27-06-2015 01:16AM

terrorism can be defeated through dialogue and bargaining.

IrishTrajan · 27-06-2015 01:20AM

P_1 wrote: »

Education, secularisation and equality.

Show them a better path to life.

Show them their religion is nuts.

Give them a decent shake at life.

Long term,, no silver bullet, unsexy but it might just work

You know, that all works in theory... Until you find that there are still psychotic bástards who will follow the scripture. Look at Jihadi John. He's from a well-to-do family and went to a nice school, yet he's still head-hacking.

Apologies but this hand-holding "everyone wants peace" is simply a farce. Is that what the majority want? Definitely. Is that going to stop those who are actually psychotic little shíts? Absolutely not.

IrishTrajan · 27-06-2015 01:22AM

Sand wrote: »

It certainly didn't hurt and the building of that wall was equally decried as a monstrous and evil act. Either way, the Israeli response was effective. That 1 fatality in 2008 was the last death to a suicide bomber inside Israel on record. When you consider the 200+ deaths in 2002, that's thousands of lives saved.

Surely the goal of a suicide bombing is to cause at least more than one death (his own is pretty much guaranteed), or it's failure?

tigerboon · 27-06-2015 01:25AM

donegaLroad wrote: »

terrorism can be defeated through dialogue and bargaining.

Which means comprises, which justifies the terrorism, thus inspiring the next lot

Eugene Norman · 27-06-2015 01:28AM

Streetwalker wrote: »

Stop invading their countries may be a good start.

And yet France was the country most opposed to American imperialism and Middle East imperialism.

SILVAMAN · 27-06-2015 01:34AM

Satire

https://www.facebook.com/100007400743625/videos/vb.100007400743625/1628654384057904/?type=2&theater

Pretzill · 27-06-2015 01:37AM

IrishTrajan wrote: »

You know, that all works in theory... Until you find that there are still psychotic bástards who will follow the scripture. Look at Jihadi John. He's from a well-to-do family and went to a nice school, yet he's still head-hacking.

Apologies but this hand-holding "everyone wants peace" is simply a farce. Is that what the majority want? Definitely. Is that going to stop those who are actually psychotic little shíts? Absolutely not.

Quite true and ISIS and the like are realising it doesn't take an army, just one badly intentioned f*ck with a gun or a bomb to create complete chaos. But it's not a psychosis no illness of the mind exists in terror from the perpetrators perspective, that's just another westernised way of trying to understand what drives these people. Truth is we don't truly understand. It's becoming the stuff of fiction, in the sense of good versus evil...it has little to do with Israel or Palestine or any troubled area in the world where you can identify or sympathise with both sides or either.

This sort of terror has no real home. It is separating the religion it believes it supports. It's shaming Islam. And all good thinking people need to remind them of that.

(Apologies for being too heavy for AH)

donegaLroad · 27-06-2015 01:42AM

tigerboon wrote: »

Which means comprises, which justifies the terrorism, thus inspiring the next lot

what about Mo Mowlam and the work she did in the lead up tho the Good Friday agreement?

SILVAMAN · 27-06-2015 01:45AM

Streetwalker wrote: »

We are talking about the wider western world here. As far as im aware Islamist terrorists haven't carried out any attacks in Ireland as of yet. Grow up :pac: any older and ill be in a box lad.

Not yet.

tigerboon · 27-06-2015 01:49AM

donegaLroad wrote: »

what about Mo Mowlam and the work she did in the lead up tho the Good Friday agreement?

Unfortunately it took a few decades to get to that point.

Eugene Norman · 27-06-2015 01:53AM

Streetwalker wrote: »

We are talking about the wider western world here. As far as im aware Islamist terrorists haven't carried out any attacks in Ireland as of yet. Grow up :pac: any older and ill be in a box lad.

How come we can generalise about the "wider western world" but not Islam?

donegaLroad · 27-06-2015 01:54AM

tigerboon wrote: »

Unfortunately it took a few decades to get to that point.

she still proved that it could be done through dialogue... had she been around some years earlier it might not have dragged on a few decades.

If people like her were to intervene now, then this whirlpool of violence may cease.

IrishTrajan · 27-06-2015 01:59AM

donegaLroad wrote: »

she still proved that it could be done through dialogue... had she been around some years earlier it might not have dragged on a few decades.

If people like her were to intervene now, then this whirlpool of violence may cease.

Yeah, because dissidents didn't splinter and continue fighting or anything. It's not like there's still shootings and the occasional bomb scare on the island.

donegaLroad · 27-06-2015 02:05AM

IrishTrajan wrote: »

Yeah, because dissidents didn't splinter and continue fighting or anything. It's not like there's still shootings and the occasional bomb scare on the island.

that is very small buns now, compared to what was going on in the heat of the troubles. There was a death every second day in the 70's & 80's.

tigerboon · 27-06-2015 02:11AM

donegaLroad wrote: »

she still proved that it could be done through dialogue... had she been around some years earlier it might not have dragged on a few decades.

If people like her were to intervene now, then this whirlpool of violence may cease.

She did and I like your optimism but how rational are the leadership of IS for example compared with the parties in NI. Did the NI parties have much options, making Mo's job easier? Mo was a big part of the peace process but what other forces were at play?

Junkyard Tom · 27-06-2015 02:12AM

Turtwig wrote: »

Isis's origin is a complex beast blaming the UK and Is stupid invasion of Iraq is far too simplistic.

Eh.. apportioning blame where it should be apportioned should be a good thing because it should prevent 'us' from repeating the mistakes of the past.

Former US Army Col. Larry Wilkerson (Former Chief of Staff to Colin Powell, Visiting professor at the College of William & Mary, teaching courses on U.S. national security) estimates that in the year 2000 there was in the region of 300 to 500 people in the world with the desire and support/capacity to inflict damage on the US/West; recently Wilkerson estimates (via consulting with a CIA analyst) that there are now 50,000.

ISIS may or may not have surged into prominence with or without the invasion.

The above is a meaningless statement unless its purpose is to try play down the role the invasion played. If Dinosaurs hadn't been essentially wiped out then we may or may not have had WWII.

A Primal Nut · 27-06-2015 07:17AM

Streetwalker wrote: »

Stop invading their countries may be a good start.

Many of the worst fighters are from Europe, especially Scandinavia and France.

27-06-2015 07:26AM

It's a tricky one alright.

Even the unprecedented step taken by Israel in their last offensive, warning people of incoming fire, was countered by terrorists forcing their own people to stand in the way and prevent them from leaving. Horrific...but predictable.

jank · 27-06-2015 08:10AM

People know what needs to be done, but are too afraid to do it!

27-06-2015 08:35AM

jank wrote: »

People know what needs to be done, but are too afraid to do it!

Do tell us.

NIMAN · 27-06-2015 08:49AM

You are still more likely to win the lottery than be killed by a terrorist.

Don't let the culture of fear dominate your life.

wendell borton · 27-06-2015 08:52AM

donegaLroad wrote: »

terrorism can be defeated through dialogue and bargaining.

IS want to create a totalitarian Islamic caliphate where minorities and dissenters will be wiped out or enslaved. How do you bargain with such savages?

SILVAMAN · 27-06-2015 09:15AM

What's fascinating in all of this is the role of Turkey.
It hasn't had any ISIS problems, becasue Erdogan quietly supports them in their desire to resurrect a Caliphate, which was abolished in I think 1923, by the farsighted Attaturk. He has been quietly seeking to Islamicize all aspects of Turkish life, and pull it back to the Dark ages. Note some months back ISIS gave Turkey 3 days to remove the tomb/body of a dead Turkish king which was on SYrian ground. Erdogan sent th troops in to do just that. He refused to help rout ISIS from Kobani, as he wanted the Kurds killed, and only pressure from the west forced a miniscule movement from the guy. He is a former Imam, known for his violent Jihadi verse.
ISIS will not attack Turkey because of whatever deal he as made with them, but if they do, then real Islamic viciousness will be plain to see.
Islam like most religions is barbaric bull****, but the others have been softened by enlightenment, and the sooner our government walks into Clonskeagh to see who is teaching what, and orders that gang to accept the law of this island as the only law, then I think we will have UK style trouble here.

SeanW · 27-06-2015 11:30AM

LETHAL LADY wrote: »

Do you think they'd be less scary if they were called something other than terrorists? Something along the lines of a great big shower of bastards might suit them better.

I think some of the world governments are ahead of you, apparently the term "violent extremism" is in vogue nowadays, in preference to the the more accurate term, "Islamic terror".

worded wrote: »

Maybe stop welcoming them into ireland and handing them Irish passports.

Careful now, you don't want Nodin or some other lefty calling scweaming "waycism" ...

How to defeat Terrorists.

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