Ethiopian Airlines first flight to Dublin

Grandpa Hassan · 26-06-2015 01:33PM

I dont see the problem here, as long as it is handled efficiently. And fast.

1. keep them in a containment area / facility
2. Assess their application
3. If they cannot prove that they are genuinely in danger back in Ethiopia, then get them on the next flight home.

Accepting economic migrants is totally unacceptable

Grandpa Hassan · 26-06-2015 01:34PM

Gatling wrote: »

I wonder how many asylum seekers we can expect per flight

The more pertinant question is how many 'asylum seekers' are just economic migrants. Who should be sent straight back home

Collie D · 26-06-2015 01:34PM

ken76 wrote: »

7 isn't the issue.It's the amount that follow.Where does it stop?Or do you think it should just be free for all?Its a joke.they are rich enough to fly on inaugural flight.This us abusing the already abused system. They should be sent home and zero tolerance of this.

Out of curiosity how much was the inaugural flight? It's hardly Concorde or the Titanic

26-06-2015 01:38PM

Grandpa Hassan wrote: »

I dont see the problem here, as long as it is handled efficiently. And fast.

1. keep them in a containment area / facility
2. Assess their application
3. If they cannot prove that they are genuinely in danger back in Ethiopia, then get them on the next flight home.

Accepting economic migrants is totally unacceptable

The problem is it won't happen that way. There will be interminable delays, legal challenges, high court appeals, judicial reviews etc. etc. In about 7 years they will eventually be given leave to remain after the legal eagles have made a couple of million in fees and some landlord has hoovered up accommodation costs from the State. The asylum system is broken. Decisions should be made in 3 months maximum and they should be held in secure reception centres during that period. Then they should be removed immediately if unsuccessful. But that won't happen.

ken76 · 26-06-2015 01:38PM

Collie D wrote: »

Out of curiosity how much was the inaugural flight? It's hardly Concorde or the Titanic

No its not concorde or Titanic.But I bet it wasn't cheap for the average Ethopian to be able to fly

Crimsonforce · 26-06-2015 01:38PM

seems they had no problem picking up and paying for a ticket to LA , making sure their documentation is in order and then jumping ship in Dublin.

im confused, "im seeking asylum, Ive just come on the inaugural flight from Ethiopia where we drank champagne on arrival to welcome us as the first flyers to Ireland"

snubbleste · 26-06-2015 01:39PM

Collie D wrote: »

Out of curiosity how much was the inaugural flight? It's hardly Concorde or the Titanic

A normal return scheduled flight
Add-Dub €700
Add-Lax €1100

Cuban Pete · 26-06-2015 01:41PM

Caovyn Lineah wrote: »

Careful or you'll be labelled a racist

Y'know, it's funny: in these discussions, it's almost always people like yourself who use that term.

Crimsonforce · 26-06-2015 01:45PM

average monthly salary in Ethiopia is Teaching / Education 5,000 ETB

when you convert Ethiopian birr currency, that equates to euros in €216 euros a month

so its at least 3-4 months salary ( for a qualified teacher) to get to Dublin..

NachoBusiness · 26-06-2015 01:48PM

Relax. I'm sure they're just here to thank Bob for sending all that money back in the 80s.

mynamejeff · 26-06-2015 01:50PM

Nodin wrote: »

We're obligated under agreement to offer asylum

?
are you sure about that?

they at least 1100 in order to get on the plane and if they were going to LAX they had the correct documents when they got on the plane too.

we are being taken advantage once again by people who want free money despite not needing it and just wanting it.

just what Ireland needs more over entitled people

snubbleste · 26-06-2015 01:50PM

You make an assumption that the asylum seekers are Ethiopian, Addis is a busy airport, they could be from anywhere.

Ben D Bus · 26-06-2015 01:52PM

I wonder if any Irish took the next leg to LAX with no plan to come back

VinLieger · 26-06-2015 01:55PM

Forward them onto the States or straight back Ethiopia, also fine the airline cus ****s and giggles

The Diabolical Monocle · 26-06-2015 01:56PM

Ben D Bus wrote: »

I wonder if any Irish took the next leg to LAX with no plan to come back

I wonder did anyone from Longford eat their passport en route to Ethiopia.

Caovyn Lineah · 26-06-2015 01:57PM

Ben D Bus wrote: »

I wonder if any Irish took the next leg to LAX with no plan to come back

And if found do you think they would be allowed to stay in the states and receive benefits and housing over there?

danganabu · 26-06-2015 01:59PM

Pretty funny that some here seem to assume that if you have any money at all then you can't possibly qualify for assylum :rolleyes:

The assumption that every one that applies for asylum is granted it when the truth is that less than 10% of application are successfull is also amussing but I guess why let the facts get in the way of a good auld rant!

If its the ideal that these people are going to be receiving government handouts and freebies while contributing nothing to society ( no idea where that assumption comes from) then wee need look no further than home!

Ben D Bus · 26-06-2015 02:00PM

Caovyn Lineah wrote: »

And if found do you think they would be allowed to stay in the states and receive benefits and housing over there?

Yes, eventually

http://www.thejournal.ie/readme/undocumented-irish-immigrants-usa-1791798-Nov2014/

Crimsonforce · 26-06-2015 02:08PM

danganabu wrote: »

Pretty funny that some here seem to assume that if you have any money at all then you can't possibly qualify for assylum :rolleyes:

The assumption that every one that applies for asylum is granted it when the truth is that less than 10% of application are successfull is also amussing but I guess why let the facts get in the way of a good auld rant!

If its the ideal that these people are going to be receiving government handouts and freebies while contributing nothing to society ( no idea where that assumption comes from) then wee need look no further than home!

You must be sailing around on your Greenpeace ship.

crazygeryy · 26-06-2015 02:17PM

Crimsonforce wrote: »

seems they had no problem picking up and paying for a ticket to LA , making sure their documentation is in order and then jumping ship in Dublin.

im confused, "im seeking asylum, Ive just come on the inaugural flight from Ethiopia where we drank champagne on arrival to welcome us as the first flyers to Ireland"

i wonder would they have been let into L. a . they would in their holes.

Nodin · 26-06-2015 02:22PM

Caovyn Lineah wrote: »

What right have they to be given asylum in our country? Chances are they will offer nothing to our society while having everything handed to them for free while Irish people suffer of the streets.

They have the right to claim asylum in any country that signed those additions to the Geneva convention. The rest of your post is unfounded xenophobic nonsense.

mynameisjeff wrote:

are you sure about that?

they at least 1100 in order to get on the
plane and if they were going to LAX they had the correct documents when they got
on the plane too.
we are being taken advantage once again by people who want
free money despite not needing it and just wanting it

And theres no way they would have sold all they could to get the airfare...

Crimsonforce · 26-06-2015 02:22PM

crazygeryy wrote: »

i wonder would they have been let into L. a . they would in their holes.

airline is saying they had their correct documentation to board
when they arrived in dub, they said they had no documentation.

someone needs a long glove to put the hand down the jacks...

jacksie66 · 26-06-2015 02:26PM

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conorhal · 26-06-2015 02:29PM

danganabu wrote: »

Pretty funny that some here seem to assume that if you have any money at all then you can't possibly qualify for assylum :rolleyes:

It's a pretty funny that they travelled half way across the world to do so and didn't bother having a go in LA, though I suspect they Yanks are a lot less likely to give you mickey money and a free gaff.

danganabu wrote: »

The assumption that every one that applies for asylum is granted it when the truth is that less than 10% of application are successfull is also amussing but I guess why let the facts get in the way of a good auld rant!

10% are successful, but 80% still get to stay, so they odds are in your favour here if you're a scammer.

danganabu wrote: »

If its the ideal that these people are going to be receiving government handouts and freebies while contributing nothing to society ( no idea where that assumption comes from) then wee need look no further than home!

The assumption comes from the fact that we spend on average a quater of a million processing each asylum case and once we do half of those from Africa are welfare dependent with the other half heavily subsidised in low paid employment. African migrants are a net loss the the exchequer, and that's not even considering the social and economic cost down the line.

Magico Gonzalez · 26-06-2015 02:30PM

jacksie66 wrote: »

I'm in New Zealand for the past 2 years. If I came home in the morning I'd be refused dole, car insurance, mobile phone contract. These people have more rights and entitlements than a returning Irish citizen it seems..

These won't qualify for any of the above.

You would be able to work straight away, these wouldn't.

You have more rights.

A Primal Nut · 26-06-2015 02:31PM

Nodin wrote: »

They have the right to claim asylum in any country that signed those additions to the Geneva convention. The rest of your post is unfounded xenophobic nonsense.

And theres no way they would have sold all they could to get the airfare...

Why didn't they keep their documentation then? So that they can be processed honestly.

Ben D Bus · 26-06-2015 02:31PM

jacksie66 wrote: »

I'm in New Zealand for the past 2 years. If I came home in the morning I'd be refused dole, car insurance, mobile phone contract. These people have more rights and entitlements than a returning Irish citizen it seems..

Do asylum seekers get dole, car insurance & phones?

http://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/moving_country/asylum_seekers_and_refugees/services_for_asylum_seekers_in_ireland/direct_provision.html

The main failure of the Irish asylum system isn't the benefits, it's the slowness in processing asylum applications.

I'd prefer if the system could process people quickly, welcome those who genuinely deserve asylum and quickly deport the rest.

It would be nice if the reactionary masses would address this, the real issue

snubbleste · 26-06-2015 02:32PM

Magico Gonzalez wrote: »

These won't qualify for any of the above.
You would be able to work straight away, these wouldn't.
You have more rights.

They'd have free accommodation, free food and €19pw.

Timberrrrrrrr · 26-06-2015 02:32PM

jacksie66 wrote: »

I'm in New Zealand for the past 2 years. If I came home in the morning I'd be refused dole, car insurance, mobile phone contract. These people have more rights and entitlements than a returning Irish citizen it seems..

You wouldn't be "refused" any of those things.

26-06-2015 02:33PM

i've heard the eating passports story before.

is it an urban myth?

why wouldn't they simply flush it down the toilet? How can you literally eat a passport?

Ethiopian Airlines first flight to Dublin

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