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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,586 ✭✭✭sasta le


    So a player off on a holiday playing hurling straight back in the squad?


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,586 ✭✭✭sasta le


    He has a poor attitude and behaviour record have been told by Clare people


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,485 ✭✭✭windy shepard henderson


    how can you qustion a guy for taking what maybe 2 months off and missing 1 championship match , as i said the guy at the age of 22 has about 4 all ireland medals in his pocket from 21s and senior , and before anyone says why didnt he wait until the off season .........there is no off season in gaa , if clonllara do happen to win the county championship this year he will be playing until november or december then the whole thing starts again in mid january

    the likley hood is he wont start against offaly , he never officaly left the panel its not lie the brian murphy situation in cork a few weeks back , how much hurling had dathi waters done before last sunday for wexford ? they guy is back he played through out the league he missed one game , amature game lads we should be glad the guy is sacrificing his holidays for the sake of our entertainment ,


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,276 ✭✭✭thinkstoomuch1


    sasta le wrote: »
    He has a poor attitude and behaviour record have been told by Clare people

    Such nonsense with respect
    Any logic back up what you been told?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,276 ✭✭✭thinkstoomuch1


    Clareman wrote: »
    First of all I think it's great that Galvin is back, but for a managment team to make such a big deal of saying that it's 1 rule for all I think it's a bit of a mockery that someone can go off for a few months, play for Tipperary and the come back straight on the panel when other fellas weren't allowed represent their own county in another code.

    Completely different scenario imo in dual codes huge demands greater with number games and Cork proved and Wexford last year dual codes won't work as even seen by Cork hurling next Saturday and football day after

    Dualism is over and Dublin don't allow it
    Fitzgerald had to end it
    Its no mockery galvin in exam ended clearly wanted go usa he did but always said he'd come back in interview in examiner and playing club hurling tipp and actually following strict training regime line clare panel over


    He always wanted travel

    Soon as injuries mounted up clare came back earlier and always communication with Davy and Davy handled it brilliant and shows loyalty and bond Davy has players he came back

    Great addition to the panel


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,274 ✭✭✭Figerty


    Completely different scenario imo in dual codes huge demands greater with number games and Cork proved and Wexford last year dual codes won't work as even seen by Cork hurling next Saturday and football day after

    Dualism is over and Dublin don't allow it
    Fitzgerald had to end it
    Its no mockery galvin in exam ended clearly wanted go usa he did but always said he'd come back in interview in examiner and playing club hurling tipp and actually following strict training regime line clare panel over


    He always wanted travel

    Soon as injuries mounted up clare came back earlier and always communication with Davy and Davy handled it brilliant and shows loyalty and bond Davy has players he came back

    Great addition to the panel

    Blind loyalty is never a good thing


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,276 ✭✭✭thinkstoomuch1


    Figerty wrote: »
    Blind loyalty is never a good thing

    Neither is no matter what situation is despite logic show other wise he's still wrong
    If he allowed dualism he was wrong anyway and if issues ultimatum galvin and once done no way back he's wrong also
    Galvin was going end off so he had managed best he could
    Dualism failed surely that's clear to see


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30 SteakandKidney


    Soon as injuries mounted up clare came back earlier and always communication with Davy and Davy handled it brilliant and shows loyalty and bond Davy has players he came back

    Great addition to the panel

    Thinkstoomuch1, I don't think your giving enough credit to Davy there ☺, Ban Ki Moon has nothing on his diplomatic skills.

    The guy wanted a break and the management facilitated that break. And now he has returned. As long as he expects nothing easy straight away and management don't play him too early at the expense of others who have not taken time off I see no issue. A serious hurled though which makes us a lot stronger provided we get past the next few game or so.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 677 ✭✭✭Cheese Wagstaff


    I heard his flights were paid for out of Davy O'Halloran's lunch money...;)


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Regional Midwest Moderators Posts: 24,053 Mod ✭✭✭✭Clareman


    Firstly, I just want to say that I think EVERY player should be available to play for Clare, doesn't matter who you are or what you are doing, if you are the best player in that position then you should be playing, I think it's great that Galvin's coming back.

    The problem I have with this is the lack of consistency, at the start of the year a player called out a lack of consistency between how players are treated, then there was the circling of the wagons behind the "team". Then you have the case where some players said that they'd like to play football as well, they were clear in saying that hurling would be the priority, they were told to chose, so they did. Now you have a player who wanted to take a few months off in the middle of the season and he's being welcomed back with open arms, in fact, his plane fares were covered to come back.

    I understand completely why a fella would want to go travelling, he's not the first Clare player to head off for a summer back in the late 90s a guy decided to go travelling and ended up playing for Galway afterwards, not welcomed back into the squad straight away.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,276 ✭✭✭thinkstoomuch1


    Clareman wrote: »
    Firstly, I just want to say that I think EVERY player should be available to play for Clare, doesn't matter who you are or what you are doing, if you are the best player in that position then you should be playing, I think it's great that Galvin's coming back.

    The problem I have with this is the lack of consistency, at the start of the year a player called out a lack of consistency between how players are treated, then there was the circling of the wagons behind the "team". Then you have the case where some players said that they'd like to play football as well, they were clear in saying that hurling would be the priority, they were told to chose, so they did. Now you have a player who wanted to take a few months off in the middle of the season and he's being welcomed back with open arms, in fact, his plane fares were covered to come back.

    I understand completely why a fella would want to go travelling, he's not the first Clare player to head off for a summer back in the late 90s a guy decided to go travelling and ended up playing for Galway afterwards, not welcomed back into the squad straight away.


    And correctly so lad gave everything clare field play under age and senior was burned up needed break and light huge injured crisis brought him home early and quite logical under standsble board paid ticket home as he probably had later date booked so loose money other wise

    He's been following clare training abroad exactly what they were doing


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,276 ✭✭✭thinkstoomuch1


    Thinkstoomuch1, I don't think your giving enough credit to Davy there ☺, Ban Ki Moon has nothing on his diplomatic skills.

    The guy wanted a break and the management facilitated that break. And now he has returned. As long as he expects nothing easy straight away and management don't play him too early at the expense of others who have not taken time off I see no issue. A serious hurled though which makes us a lot stronger provided we get past the next few game or so.
    I'm agreeing with you on this
    Your getting me mixed up with another poster


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Regional Midwest Moderators Posts: 24,053 Mod ✭✭✭✭Clareman


    And correctly so lad gave everything clare field play under age and senior was burned up needed break and light huge injured crisis brought him home early and quite logical under standsble board paid ticket home as he probably had later date booked so loose money other wise

    He's been following clare training abroad exactly what they were doing

    Agreed 1000000000%, it's great to see a bit of cop on being used, these lads give their all for Clare for years and it's great that they are allowed to live their lives as well, in a business sense the Work/Life Blanace is critical, it's the same in a sports sense.

    Where I'm struggling however is the edict is given that all players are equal, and a player now can take a few months off and come back while other players are willing to do all the training/attend matches but are excluded cause of wanting to play football, other players are "punished" for 1 night out, I assume Galvin has given his word that he wasn't out drinking and that was good enough, why wasn't it good enough for the other players as well?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30 SteakandKidney


    I'm agreeing with you on this Your getting me mixed up with another poster

    I do agree with you in so much as I don't think it's an issue to let a player rejoin the panel esp in the circumstances that he left in the first place. There is a slight issue when you bring all the other issues which occoured earlier in the year but thats for another day. What I don't agree with you is the back slapping of Davy. What he and the managment have done is managed a situation in what I would consider a sensible and professional manner, that does not merit you or anyone else waxing lyrically about for well they have done.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,276 ✭✭✭thinkstoomuch1


    I do agree with you in so much as I don't think it's an issue to let a player rejoin the panel esp in the circumstances that he left in the first place. There is a slight issue when you bring all the other issues which occoured earlier in the year but thats for another day. What I don't agree with you is the back slapping of Davy. What he and the managment have done is managed a situation in what I would consider a sensible and professional manner, that does not merit you or anyone else waxing lyrically about for well they have done.
    Ah seriously so when he managed situation well he can't be praised but Christ above he's sneezes out place he's the condemned man
    He actually can't win either way with some be fair
    I ain't huge fan he's style but huge respect he's management
    Lot people allow emotions get away judgement
    Hes there to stay with clare as he said himself recently another two years


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Regional Midwest Moderators Posts: 24,053 Mod ✭✭✭✭Clareman


    I do agree with you in so much as I don't think it's an issue to let a player rejoin the panel esp in the circumstances that he left in the first place. There is a slight issue when you bring all the other issues which occoured earlier in the year but thats for another day. What I don't agree with you is the back slapping of Davy. What he and the managment have done is managed a situation in what I would consider a sensible and professional manner, that does not merit you or anyone else waxing lyrically about for well they have done.

    I think people are just highlighting that things are being handled correctly, unlike other situations.

    By the way, am I the only 1 amused that there's a PR company dealing with the press releases now, I'm guessing they've learnt from some of the past issues, you never know Davy might have gotten some PR training as well :)


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Regional Midwest Moderators Posts: 24,053 Mod ✭✭✭✭Clareman


    Heard a rumour there that there's "war" going on over dressing rooms for Saturday week already.

    Apparently Davy likes to have 2 dressing rooms setup well in advance of games to allow players get ready/rubs/whatever, normally in Cusack Park this isn't an issue cause there's something like 6 dressing rooms. Unfortunately 2 of the dressing rooms are being done up/damaged and the current ref's changing room isn't big enough for 2 full sets of officials so the second small room will be used for them rather than for a physio's room, there's only 1 dressing room per team for Saturday week. Apparantly the phrase "f**k the footballers" was used a few times.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,274 ✭✭✭Figerty


    Ah seriously so when he managed situation well he can't be praised but Christ above he's sneezes out place he's the condemned man
    He actually can't win either way with some be fair
    I ain't huge fan he's style but huge respect he's management
    Lot people allow emotions get away judgement
    Hes there to stay with clare as he said himself recently another two years

    He fairly let his emotions show after the Limerick match and made a right tool of himself.
    The fact that he says he is staying on two or three more years is arrogant, presumptious and most likely a sign of weakness. if he was secure in his position he wouldn't need to telling everyone.
    I'm glad to see Galvin back and I hope we do well. But we have one leg in chain with Davy in charge.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,906 ✭✭✭✭Kristopherus


    Clareman wrote: »
    Heard a rumour there that there's "war" going on over dressing rooms for Saturday week already.

    Apparently Davy likes to have 2 dressing rooms setup well in advance of games to allow players get ready/rubs/whatever, normally in Cusack Park this isn't an issue cause there's something like 6 dressing rooms. Unfortunately 2 of the dressing rooms are being done up/damaged and the current ref's changing room isn't big enough for 2 full sets of officials so the second small room will be used for them rather than for a physio's room, there's only 1 dressing room per team for Saturday week. Apparantly the phrase "f**k the footballers" was used a few times.

    Can he not take his precious hurlers out to Roslevan to get their rub, or is that now a bigger dive?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,274 ✭✭✭Figerty


    Can he not take his precious hurlers out to Roslevan to get their rub, or is that now a bigger dive?

    Sure isn't Glor accross the road.. can't he have the whole place to himself..


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,485 ✭✭✭windy shepard henderson


    i am not sure about the substance to the fresh bout of rumors, personally i am starting to get a bit tired of all of it , it seriously affected team performances through out the league , none of it helps player preparation what ever about whos in charge

    davy is feeliing the pressure in my opinion and it has caused a massive change in his persona , for example there was the heart to heart with peter o'connell in the clare champion over at the temple gate a few weeks ago

    then came the now famous crossbar challenge to show what a unit the squad was , and if we didnt quiet get how much craic it was to play for clare , we now have tommy hegerty cycling around a pitch in nui galway last week to get the lads of training early , followed by snap shots of them eating out afterwards at the greyhound stadium. . . . .with the final credits of " get behind the boys" at the end

    while it dose have all the hallmarks of propaganda there is a fair argument for the videos , this is the county that put out the story 4 years ago that ger loughnane had died , when he was sitting at home recovering from cancer

    we have heard of so many bust ups at training now you would be forgiven for imagining that none of the panel actually talk to each other any more , the only way davey keeps his job this year is by geting clare into a challenging position for the all ireland , any thing less then a 1/4 place will see him in trouble with the clubs

    its next year with the likely hood of a podge collins return and a full deck of cards to deal with will mean demands in the county will be very high and support very unforgiving


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,507 ✭✭✭keeponhurling


    The best PR is winning matches.
    A good win over Offaly, and it'll give us something else to talk/speculate about.
    Roll on July 4th!!


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Regional Midwest Moderators Posts: 24,053 Mod ✭✭✭✭Clareman


    They have taken on a PR firm, same guy who runs the Clare Herald, so hopefully that'll sort out some of the bullsh!t that's going on.

    Hopefully against Offaly they'll go out and just play 15 v 15 and show what they can do, no need for tricks or "game plans", just let them out to play hurling.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,586 ✭✭✭sasta le


    A PR firm are you serious?expect new accounts here so ha


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Regional Midwest Moderators Posts: 24,053 Mod ✭✭✭✭Clareman


    sasta le wrote: »
    A PR firm are you serious?expect new accounts here so ha
    “Ahead of his departure to the US, the management team assured Colm that the door would remain open for his return to the squad should he decide to come home over the course of the summer,” said Fitzgerald in a statement released by Dunphy PR.

    http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/hurling/tipperary-have-home-advantage-for-munster-showdown-with-waterford-1.2259818

    I'm guessing the Clare GAA PRO wouldn't be do happy about their work being outsourced but I guess they don't have any avenue of complaint really.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,274 ✭✭✭Figerty


    Clareman wrote: »
    http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/hurling/tipperary-have-home-advantage-for-munster-showdown-with-waterford-1.2259818

    I'm guessing the Clare GAA PRO wouldn't be do happy about their work being outsourced but I guess they don't have any avenue of complaint really.

    I'm guessing the PRO gave up long ago trying to manage Davy.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,276 ✭✭✭thinkstoomuch1


    i am not sure about the substance to the fresh bout of rumors, personally i am starting to get a bit tired of all of it , it seriously affected team performances through out the league , none of it helps player preparation what ever about whos in charge

    davy is feeliing the pressure in my opinion and it has caused a massive change in his persona , for example there was the heart to heart with peter o'connell in the clare champion over at the temple gate a few weeks ago

    then came the now famous crossbar challenge to show what a unit the squad was , and if we didnt quiet get how much craic it was to play for clare , we now have tommy hegerty cycling around a pitch in nui galway last week to get the lads of training early , followed by snap shots of them eating out afterwards at the greyhound stadium. . . . .with the final credits of " get behind the boys" at the end

    while it dose have all the hallmarks of propaganda there is a fair argument for the videos , this is the county that put out the story 4 years ago that ger loughnane had died , when he was sitting at home recovering from cancer

    we have heard of so many bust ups at training now you would be forgiven for imagining that none of the panel actually talk to each other any more , the only way davey keeps his job this year is by geting clare into a challenging position for the all ireland , any thing less then a 1/4 place will see him in trouble with the clubs

    its next year with the likely hood of a podge collins return and a full deck of cards to deal with will mean demands in the county will be very high and support very unforgiving
    I'd agree


    This rumours regards the dissdsin look down on clare football I'd nearly belive it in clare like other counties look down on football from hurling view and it's all wrong


    What then negates extent of it however is its clear some here no matter what davy does he's wrong so I'm slow to belive these stories


    If this was unproven manager I'd be backing the other posters
    But the facts are he's won before and yes there problem but as proven by return of o connell the numerous player statement the backing by loughanne o Connor etc the return of galvin things were never as bad as before

    He has faults but not as bad as some think he is


    He needs to work on discipline and on he's own style and needs to step back a bit but once Kinnerk returned next year he is out of clare the best man still for the job
    Kinnerk is huge loss and Davy would step back if kinnrrk returned as coach
    I agree davy is feeliing the pressure but it's good he's mellowed a bit


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,485 ✭✭✭windy shepard henderson


    minors lost to tipperary tonight 1-11 to 1-15

    good second half showing were 10 points down at the start of the second half and were within 3 at the 60 minuet mark , no doubt the amount of missed scoring opportunities were the cause of the first half debacle , but to no fault of this team they were a bit lighter then other years , they have been left with big shoes to fill when been compared to recent minor teams of the last few years so its good to see the battling qualities tonight

    under age is about player development and while i felt maybe one or two lads should have started ahead of selected the conveyor belt wont stop running in future i expect tipp to kick on now and win munster and have a say in bigger things later in the year

    the best players from this years minors i would expect to see make the grade for 21s next year or even later this year would be the likes of shanagher, aidan kennedy ( started from the bench tonight though) jack cunningham although i could make a case for a few more it would be very hard to judge a team after only one game , dispite the wastefull first half it was a brave effort in what was tipps 3rd game this year and our one and only


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,565 ✭✭✭MfMan


    That the Minors finished now?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,276 ✭✭✭thinkstoomuch1


    MfMan wrote: »
    That the Minors finished now?

    Yeah there out now just after one game it's a poor system.


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