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  • #9272
    Milked out
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,433 ✭✭✭Milked out


    frazzledhome wrote: »
    Did you fit a vari speed milk pump?

    Yeah, have 2 probes in jar as well which is supposed to reduce it. I think what they may do is fit a shower head type thing where milk enters jar. I'll be talking to them again tomorrow see what they say. Is froth normal for electric milk pumps? Had a double diaphragm here b4 and had no froth in jar but had froth in tank now it's the opposite


  • #9273
    Milked out
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,433 ✭✭✭Milked out


    Greengrass1 wrote: »
    Would froth affect your bf results? It's very bad in jar hete often fills up the second jar

    Not sure, the first result gave me a land as bf has never been that low. Sun's result only came this evening then. Had been between 3.8 and 4.2 this month previously


  • #9274
    mf240
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,890 ✭✭✭mf240


    i suppose a drop of rain would be no harm:o


  • #9275
    trixi2011
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,538 ✭✭✭trixi2011


    mf240 wrote: »
    i suppose a drop of rain would be no harm:o

    Down with that sort of thing


  • #9276
    stretch film
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,067 ✭✭✭stretch film


    mf240 wrote: »
    i suppose a drop of rain would be no harm:o

    No harm at all at all .


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  • #9277
    frazzledhome
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,278 ✭✭✭frazzledhome


    Greengrass1 wrote: »
    Would froth affect your bf results? It's very bad in jar hete often fills up the second jar

    Half fill a jam jar with milk shake as you would on a night when gf is in college then pour through a filter (the milk)


  • #9278
    Greengrass1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,493 ✭✭✭Greengrass1


    frazzledhome wrote: »
    Half fill a jam jar with milk shake as you would on a night when gf is in college then pour through a filter (the milk)

    Sure it'll turn into butter would it not?


  • #9279
    Dawggone
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,506 ✭✭✭Dawggone


    Greengrass1 wrote: »
    Sure it'll turn into butter would it not?

    Or a Rhu?
    :)


  • #9280
    frazzledhome
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,278 ✭✭✭frazzledhome


    Greengrass1 wrote: »
    Sure it'll turn into butter would it not?

    Now when that happens the fats have changed, harder to get a rep sample


  • #9281
    Dawggone
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,506 ✭✭✭Dawggone


    frazzledhome wrote: »
    Now when that happens the fats have changed, harder to get a rep sample

    Surely the constituents are not variable.
    Either there is alchemy involved in milk or the test is not accurate...


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  • #9282
    Greengrass1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,493 ✭✭✭Greengrass1


    Anyone using farmflo?
    Started using it today. Very handy I must say can enter ant remedies from parlour etc and move stock out of herd and register calves. Should make life easier


  • #9283
    keep going
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,551 ✭✭✭keep going


    A little one to throw at ye in relation to renting land.what about fixing the rent at a coefficient of creamery average milk price.eg assuming a coefficient of 800 would mean that milk at 30 cent a litre land would make 240, at 40 cent a litre land would make320 an acre.it comes down to what you think is going to have the biggest influence on land rental prices in the future, is it going to be influenced by eu schemes or straight forward milk returns.i know there was a thing in tillage about the ton of corn but I dont did ever form part of deals


  • #9284
    frazzledhome
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,278 ✭✭✭frazzledhome


    keep going wrote: »
    A little one to throw at ye in relation to renting land.what about fixing the rent at a coefficient of creamery average milk price.eg assuming a coefficient of 800 would mean that milk at 30 cent a litre land would make 240, at 40 cent a litre land would make320 an acre.it comes down to what you think is going to have the biggest influence on land rental prices in the future, is it going to be influenced by eu schemes or straight forward milk returns.i know there was a thing in tillage about the ton of corn but I dont did ever form part of deals

    We have done that except it's 28c is €180 and 40c is €320

    It's capped at 320 and no lower that 180. It's based on the base price in GII. When we were renting quota we did on a % of base price also. Very fair to all concerned.

    Was trying to do a deal last month but guy wanted 10 yrs attached to milk price but he wanted 28 at €300, needless to say we didn't bite


  • #9285
    RightTurnClyde
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,143 ✭✭✭RightTurnClyde


    frazzledhome wrote: »
    ......guy wanted 10 yrs attached to milk price but he wanted 28 at €300, needless to say we didn't bite
    Why was he leasing it out.... Was he moving to another planet?


  • #9286
    keep going
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,551 ✭✭✭keep going


    frazzledhome wrote: »
    We have done that except it's 28c is €180 and 40c is €320

    It's capped at 320 and no lower that 180. It's based on the base price in GII. When we were renting quota we did on a % of base price also. Very fair to all concerned.

    Was trying to do a deal last month but guy wanted 10 yrs attached to milk price but he wanted 28 at €300, needless to say we didn't bite

    I take it its twenty euro per cent on the milk.is this 300 anacre a temporary thing due to entitlement s this year and some fellas going a little bit mad for milking cows.at coop level we have found that debt to dairy is the onlly one increasing and not just extra business,..its guy putting themselves in trouble with expansion but maybe ill be one myself soon


  • #9287
    awaywithyou
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,344 ✭✭✭awaywithyou


    mahoney_j wrote: »
    +1 on that,scanned heifers and all bar 1 in calf to Ai fr,empty one bull nailed her 2 weeks ago so should be in calf .very happy there..cows all served in 36 days but over last week I've had a few early May served cows repeat which is annoying .serious shine off cows ,Mayo healthcare bolus seems to have done a good job and iodine still going in water daily

    mj you feed a fair shot of quality mmeal to your cows which i presume has a mineral pack in it.... you also give mineral bolus... have you had issues wit cows maybe getting too much minerals???

    would be very interested in bolusing here but half afraid to do it as we feed alot of meal with mineral already included and im thinkin a bolus might be pushin it a bit....


  • #9288
    mahoney_j
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,708 ✭✭✭✭mahoney_j


    awaywithyou wrote: »
    mj you feed a fair shot of quality mmeal to your cows which i presume has a mineral pack in it.... you also give mineral bolus... have you had issues wit cows maybe getting too much minerals???

    would be very interested in bolusing here but half afraid to do it as we feed alot of meal with mineral already included and im thinkin a bolus might be pushin it a bit....

    Feed full bioplex mineral pack in nut from calving to mid April ,bolus in early April for breeding and then only standard mineral plus vitiman pack in meal for rest of year...I also add 1 cc of iodine to water per cow per day for calving and breeding season ..bloods taken from random selection of herd every January show less than adequate levels of copper selenium and very low levels of iodine but dry cow pack then sorts that..you can bolus cow for circa 5 euro for breeding ,how much is full bio mineral pack in but going to cost??


  • #9289
    kowtow
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,135 ✭✭✭kowtow


    Dawggone wrote: »
    Surely the constituents are not variable.
    Either there is alchemy involved in milk or the test is not accurate...

    It's alchemy.

    Even leaving pasteurisation aside very difficult to make a tasty cheese from homogenized (ultra shaken?) milk.


  • #9290
    kevthegaff
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,084 ✭✭✭kevthegaff


    A few questions on urea use lads, hilly land here anyways
    1. Back end of the year, is it still the best value? And when?
    2. Does it have to be spread on covers?
    3. What rate do ye spread?
    4. Does it respond on old pasture?
    Thanks


  • #9291
    Deepsouthwest
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,282 ✭✭✭Deepsouthwest


    keep going wrote: »
    I take it its twenty euro per cent on the milk.is this 300 anacre a temporary thing due to entitlement s this year and some fellas going a little bit mad for milking cows.at coop level we have found that debt to dairy is the onlly one increasing and not just extra business,..its guy putting themselves in trouble with expansion but maybe ill be one myself soon

    That's something I was wondering as well re land rental prices, I know a few farmers with handy SFP's planning on cutting their stock to the minimum and selling silage of their ground. Can people stack entitlements on less ground after this yr? Could we could we see rental prices dropping?


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  • #9292
    kowtow
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,135 ✭✭✭kowtow


    keep going wrote: »
    A little one to throw at ye in relation to renting land.what about fixing the rent at a coefficient of creamery average milk price.eg assuming a coefficient of 800 would mean that milk at 30 cent a litre land would make 240, at 40 cent a litre land would make320 an acre.it comes down to what you think is going to have the biggest influence on land rental prices in the future, is it going to be influenced by eu schemes or straight forward milk returns.i know there was a thing in tillage about the ton of corn but I dont did ever form part of deals

    Is a good idea, a form of (non-equity) partnership.

    Not sure if a lease framed on that basis would be eligible for the tax free provisions in the last budget?

    You'd also have to find a mutually agreeable reference figure for the milk price average and define it in the lease using terms that allow for any future change in the basis of calculation of the figure itself. For example, in a couple of years time what happens when the the journal milk price might change the basis on which it is reported to include / exclude bonuses and such like.

    Sounds like an irritating detail but surprisingly difficult (+ expensive) to do in leases.


  • #9293
    freedominacup
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,920 ✭✭✭freedominacup


    kevthegaff wrote: »
    A few questions on urea use lads, hilly land here anyways
    1. Back end of the year, is it still the best value? And when?
    2. Does it have to be spread on covers?
    3. What rate do ye spread?
    4. Does it respond on old pasture?
    Thanks

    1. Flat on average around here don't understand the question.
    2. Blanket spread once a month here so everything from freshly grazed to 1400+ covers when applied. Doing this for past couple of years.
    3. Generally bag per acre. Sometimes down to 30 units.
    4. No better or worse than any other fert.

    Urea to CAN usage ratio here would be around nine to one for at least the past twenty years.


  • #9294
    Blackgrass
    Closed Accounts Posts: 735 ✭✭✭Blackgrass


    kowtow wrote: »
    It's alchemy.

    Even leaving pasteurisation aside very difficult to make a tasty cheese from homogenized (ultra shaken?) milk.

    Iirc, have you started making cheese yet or am i in the wrong wood never mind wrong tree?


  • #9295
    Midfield9
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 160 ✭✭Midfield9


    kowtow wrote: »
    It's alchemy.

    Even leaving pasteurisation aside very difficult to make a tasty cheese from homogenized (ultra shaken?) milk.

    Lorry driver was telling me it's takes 50 minutes to empty a load in bellview. It's almost empties on just gravity with the pumps hardly helping much. Not to damage the milk!


  • #9296
    frazzledhome
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,278 ✭✭✭frazzledhome


    Have a right dose, sweats etc. having a lie down on couch alarm set for 3.30 to get cows and do it all again.


  • #9297
    Blackgrass
    Closed Accounts Posts: 735 ✭✭✭Blackgrass


    frazzledhome wrote: »
    Have a right dose, sweats etc. having a lie down on couch alarm set for 3.30 to get cows and do it all again.

    Wrap up warm when head out.


  • #9298
    Greengrass1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,493 ✭✭✭Greengrass1


    frazzledhome wrote: »
    Have a right dose, sweats etc. having a lie down on couch alarm set for 3.30 to get cows and do it all again.

    In your woods atm. Have the parlour ready to go for 3


  • #9299
    frazzledhome
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,278 ✭✭✭frazzledhome


    Blackgrass wrote: »
    Wrap up warm when head out.

    "Wrap up warm" you say

    I'm sweating like Mike Tyson on Countdown


  • #9300
    Dawggone
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,506 ✭✭✭Dawggone


    kowtow wrote: »
    It's alchemy.

    Even leaving pasteurisation aside very difficult to make a tasty cheese from homogenized (ultra shaken?) milk.

    When homogenized is the fat not broken down?
    I may have answered my own question!


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  • #9301
    Dawggone
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,506 ✭✭✭Dawggone


    Blackgrass wrote: »
    Wrap up warm when head out.

    With a nice dram of poteen and a dab of ginger to warm the blood!


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