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There are up to 7 dairy threads going at one time. What's your opinion on having a "one stop" dairy thread. I, in no way want to exclude anyone else esoecially Bob Charles we need him to keep us real and you never know we may even convert him! Mods you may have another opinion.

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Milked out

frazzledhome wrote: »

Did you fit a vari speed milk pump?

Yeah, have 2 probes in jar as well which is supposed to reduce it. I think what they may do is fit a shower head type thing where milk enters jar. I'll be talking to them again tomorrow see what they say. Is froth normal for electric milk pumps? Had a double diaphragm here b4 and had no froth in jar but had froth in tank now it's the opposite

Milked out

Greengrass1 wrote: »

Would froth affect your bf results? It's very bad in jar hete often fills up the second jar

Not sure, the first result gave me a land as bf has never been that low. Sun's result only came this evening then. Had been between 3.8 and 4.2 this month previously

mf240

i suppose a drop of rain would be no harm:o

trixi2011

mf240 wrote: »

i suppose a drop of rain would be no harm:o

Down with that sort of thing

stretch film

mf240 wrote: »

i suppose a drop of rain would be no harm:o

No harm at all at all .

frazzledhome

Greengrass1 wrote: »

Would froth affect your bf results? It's very bad in jar hete often fills up the second jar

Half fill a jam jar with milk shake as you would on a night when gf is in college then pour through a filter (the milk)

Greengrass1

frazzledhome wrote: »

Half fill a jam jar with milk shake as you would on a night when gf is in college then pour through a filter (the milk)

Sure it'll turn into butter would it not?

Dawggone

Greengrass1 wrote: »

Sure it'll turn into butter would it not?

Or a Rhu?

frazzledhome

Greengrass1 wrote: »

Sure it'll turn into butter would it not?

Now when that happens the fats have changed, harder to get a rep sample

Dawggone

frazzledhome wrote: »

Now when that happens the fats have changed, harder to get a rep sample

Surely the constituents are not variable.
Either there is alchemy involved in milk or the test is not accurate...

Greengrass1

Anyone using farmflo?
Started using it today. Very handy I must say can enter ant remedies from parlour etc and move stock out of herd and register calves. Should make life easier

keep going

A little one to throw at ye in relation to renting land.what about fixing the rent at a coefficient of creamery average milk price.eg assuming a coefficient of 800 would mean that milk at 30 cent a litre land would make 240, at 40 cent a litre land would make320 an acre.it comes down to what you think is going to have the biggest influence on land rental prices in the future, is it going to be influenced by eu schemes or straight forward milk returns.i know there was a thing in tillage about the ton of corn but I dont did ever form part of deals

frazzledhome

keep going wrote: »

A little one to throw at ye in relation to renting land.what about fixing the rent at a coefficient of creamery average milk price.eg assuming a coefficient of 800 would mean that milk at 30 cent a litre land would make 240, at 40 cent a litre land would make320 an acre.it comes down to what you think is going to have the biggest influence on land rental prices in the future, is it going to be influenced by eu schemes or straight forward milk returns.i know there was a thing in tillage about the ton of corn but I dont did ever form part of deals

We have done that except it's 28c is €180 and 40c is €320

It's capped at 320 and no lower that 180. It's based on the base price in GII. When we were renting quota we did on a % of base price also. Very fair to all concerned.

Was trying to do a deal last month but guy wanted 10 yrs attached to milk price but he wanted 28 at €300, needless to say we didn't bite

RightTurnClyde

frazzledhome wrote: »

......guy wanted 10 yrs attached to milk price but he wanted 28 at €300, needless to say we didn't bite

Why was he leasing it out.... Was he moving to another planet?

keep going

frazzledhome wrote: »

We have done that except it's 28c is €180 and 40c is €320

It's capped at 320 and no lower that 180. It's based on the base price in GII. When we were renting quota we did on a % of base price also. Very fair to all concerned.

Was trying to do a deal last month but guy wanted 10 yrs attached to milk price but he wanted 28 at €300, needless to say we didn't bite

I take it its twenty euro per cent on the milk.is this 300 anacre a temporary thing due to entitlement s this year and some fellas going a little bit mad for milking cows.at coop level we have found that debt to dairy is the onlly one increasing and not just extra business,..its guy putting themselves in trouble with expansion but maybe ill be one myself soon

awaywithyou

mahoney_j wrote: »

+1 on that,scanned heifers and all bar 1 in calf to Ai fr,empty one bull nailed her 2 weeks ago so should be in calf .very happy there..cows all served in 36 days but over last week I've had a few early May served cows repeat which is annoying .serious shine off cows ,Mayo healthcare bolus seems to have done a good job and iodine still going in water daily

mj you feed a fair shot of quality mmeal to your cows which i presume has a mineral pack in it.... you also give mineral bolus... have you had issues wit cows maybe getting too much minerals???

would be very interested in bolusing here but half afraid to do it as we feed alot of meal with mineral already included and im thinkin a bolus might be pushin it a bit....

mahoney_j

awaywithyou wrote: »

mj you feed a fair shot of quality mmeal to your cows which i presume has a mineral pack in it.... you also give mineral bolus... have you had issues wit cows maybe getting too much minerals???

would be very interested in bolusing here but half afraid to do it as we feed alot of meal with mineral already included and im thinkin a bolus might be pushin it a bit....

Feed full bioplex mineral pack in nut from calving to mid April ,bolus in early April for breeding and then only standard mineral plus vitiman pack in meal for rest of year...I also add 1 cc of iodine to water per cow per day for calving and breeding season ..bloods taken from random selection of herd every January show less than adequate levels of copper selenium and very low levels of iodine but dry cow pack then sorts that..you can bolus cow for circa 5 euro for breeding ,how much is full bio mineral pack in but going to cost??

kowtow

Dawggone wrote: »

Surely the constituents are not variable.
Either there is alchemy involved in milk or the test is not accurate...

It's alchemy.

Even leaving pasteurisation aside very difficult to make a tasty cheese from homogenized (ultra shaken?) milk.

kevthegaff

A few questions on urea use lads, hilly land here anyways
1. Back end of the year, is it still the best value? And when?
2. Does it have to be spread on covers?
3. What rate do ye spread?
4. Does it respond on old pasture?
Thanks

Deepsouthwest

keep going wrote: »

I take it its twenty euro per cent on the milk.is this 300 anacre a temporary thing due to entitlement s this year and some fellas going a little bit mad for milking cows.at coop level we have found that debt to dairy is the onlly one increasing and not just extra business,..its guy putting themselves in trouble with expansion but maybe ill be one myself soon

That's something I was wondering as well re land rental prices, I know a few farmers with handy SFP's planning on cutting their stock to the minimum and selling silage of their ground. Can people stack entitlements on less ground after this yr? Could we could we see rental prices dropping?

kowtow

keep going wrote: »

A little one to throw at ye in relation to renting land.what about fixing the rent at a coefficient of creamery average milk price.eg assuming a coefficient of 800 would mean that milk at 30 cent a litre land would make 240, at 40 cent a litre land would make320 an acre.it comes down to what you think is going to have the biggest influence on land rental prices in the future, is it going to be influenced by eu schemes or straight forward milk returns.i know there was a thing in tillage about the ton of corn but I dont did ever form part of deals

Is a good idea, a form of (non-equity) partnership.

Not sure if a lease framed on that basis would be eligible for the tax free provisions in the last budget?

You'd also have to find a mutually agreeable reference figure for the milk price average and define it in the lease using terms that allow for any future change in the basis of calculation of the figure itself. For example, in a couple of years time what happens when the the journal milk price might change the basis on which it is reported to include / exclude bonuses and such like.

Sounds like an irritating detail but surprisingly difficult (+ expensive) to do in leases.

freedominacup

kevthegaff wrote: »

A few questions on urea use lads, hilly land here anyways
1. Back end of the year, is it still the best value? And when?
2. Does it have to be spread on covers?
3. What rate do ye spread?
4. Does it respond on old pasture?
Thanks

1. Flat on average around here don't understand the question.
2. Blanket spread once a month here so everything from freshly grazed to 1400+ covers when applied. Doing this for past couple of years.
3. Generally bag per acre. Sometimes down to 30 units.
4. No better or worse than any other fert.

Urea to CAN usage ratio here would be around nine to one for at least the past twenty years.

Blackgrass

kowtow wrote: »

It's alchemy.

Even leaving pasteurisation aside very difficult to make a tasty cheese from homogenized (ultra shaken?) milk.

Iirc, have you started making cheese yet or am i in the wrong wood never mind wrong tree?

Midfield9

kowtow wrote: »

It's alchemy.

Even leaving pasteurisation aside very difficult to make a tasty cheese from homogenized (ultra shaken?) milk.

Lorry driver was telling me it's takes 50 minutes to empty a load in bellview. It's almost empties on just gravity with the pumps hardly helping much. Not to damage the milk!

frazzledhome

Have a right dose, sweats etc. having a lie down on couch alarm set for 3.30 to get cows and do it all again.

Blackgrass

frazzledhome wrote: »

Have a right dose, sweats etc. having a lie down on couch alarm set for 3.30 to get cows and do it all again.

Wrap up warm when head out.

Greengrass1

frazzledhome wrote: »

Have a right dose, sweats etc. having a lie down on couch alarm set for 3.30 to get cows and do it all again.

In your woods atm. Have the parlour ready to go for 3

frazzledhome

Blackgrass wrote: »

Wrap up warm when head out.

"Wrap up warm" you say

I'm sweating like Mike Tyson on Countdown

Dawggone

kowtow wrote: »

It's alchemy.

Even leaving pasteurisation aside very difficult to make a tasty cheese from homogenized (ultra shaken?) milk.

When homogenized is the fat not broken down?
I may have answered my own question!

Dawggone

Blackgrass wrote: »

Wrap up warm when head out.

With a nice dram of poteen and a dab of ginger to warm the blood!