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Graham Dwyer court case *READ FIRST POST BEFORE POSTING*

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  • Site Banned Posts: 2,922 ✭✭✭Egginacup


    Lisha wrote: »
    Words fail me. There really is no shortage of idiots in this world:(

    I don't think "idiot" would describe her. Psychopath or nutcase is a bit more apt.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,389 ✭✭✭NachoBusiness


    seamus wrote: »
    To paraphrase someone on Reddit:

    "If you never have any luck with the ladies, just murder one and go to jail and you'll have women banging down the door to come in and see you".

    Some women are just properly off their biccie. I'm not sure if the same phenomenon exists for female murderers.

    The phenomena can be seen in it's full unsettling glory with the attention Oscar Pistorius receives.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 11,734 ✭✭✭✭John_Rambo


    Actually I doubt he ever really appreciated them. Sociopaths only think of immediate needs and their perverse desires. They were items to him. Stars or notches on his belt. He could care less about his kids. They were his trophies. They were apart of the film of which he was the star. They were not separate beings with their own feelings and rights to him. They were a sign that he was 'normal' that he was a success. That's all..

    Just spotted this. Right.. great, insightful post, never looked at it that way!
    You cannot love your children and be a murderer you just can't

    I had a real problem with this part, but thinking about it, I suppose you're right when it comes to this type of murder as apposed to a revenge or act of passion murder... I'd say you'd (rightly) put Joe O'Reilly in the same category? Pity you closed your account. Excellent posts.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,920 ✭✭✭micar


    Does anyone think it's odd the state pathologist came out and that based on the lack of physical evidence that she was surprised that he was found guilty?

    Surely as he's going to lodge an appeal that she should have kept her opinion to herself especially as she was the pathologist on the case ( I think)


  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 51,685 Mod ✭✭✭✭Stheno


    micar wrote: »
    Does anyone think it's odd the state pathologist came out and that based on the lack of physical evidence that she was surprised that he was found guilty?

    Surely as he's going to lodge an appeal that she should have kept her opinion to herself especially as she was the pathologist on the case ( I think)

    I thought it was downright bizarre as an employee of the state but her premise is correct they had nothing on the evidence from the body

    I also thought he would be acquitted


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,678 ✭✭✭Tin Foil Hat


    micar wrote: »
    Does anyone think it's odd the state pathologist came out and that based on the lack of physical evidence that she was surprised that he was found guilty?

    Surely as he's going to lodge an appeal that she should have kept her opinion to herself especially as she was the pathologist on the case ( I think)

    I saw this in the examiner today. Couldn't believe what I was reading. The state pathologist undermining his conviction while an appeal of that conviction is ongoing!? Her job should be in question, in my opinion.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,746 ✭✭✭Flippyfloppy


    I'm guessing it was a misquote, or taken completely out of context as an example of forensic evidence not always being needed.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 11,810 ✭✭✭✭evolving_doors


    micar wrote: »
    Does anyone think it's odd the state pathologist came out and that based on the lack of physical evidence that she was surprised that he was found guilty?

    Surely as he's going to lodge an appeal that she should have kept her opinion to herself especially as she was the pathologist on the case ( I think)

    I think it was an off the record remark to someone in general conversation either before or after a speech. But if im wrong and it was knowingly to be put on the record by her ,then it was a bit ofd for her to be putting out her opinion.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,312 ✭✭✭realdanbreen


    Stheno wrote: »
    I thought it was downright bizarre as an employee of the state but her premise is correct they had nothing on the evidence from the body

    I also thought he would be acquitted

    But he wasn't convicted on the pathologists evidence he was convicted on a host of other circumstancial evidence. I had no doubdt that he was guilty and would be convicted.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 179 ✭✭mocha please!


    micar wrote: »
    Does anyone think it's odd the state pathologist came out and that based on the lack of physical evidence that she was surprised that he was found guilty?

    Surely as he's going to lodge an appeal that she should have kept her opinion to herself especially as she was the pathologist on the case ( I think)

    It strikes me as odd, and as extremely unprofessional on her part. I'm guessing she made an off-the-cuff remark, not expecting to be quoted on it, but she should have known better than to make any remark on the outcome of such a high-profile case.

    I can't imagine that he can use it towards his appeal, though. I mean, she's only made the remarks now, so it's not like he can claim that it affected the jury's opinions in any way (and even if it had, it would have been in his favour.) If he were to somehow use it towards his appeal, it's likely that she'd clarify her opinion - that it was a good thing that circumstantial evidence can be used towards a successful conviction, even in the absence of forensic evidence.

    You really would think she'd have known better to go opening that can of worms though! If asked about it, she should have just declined to give an opinion and moved on.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,717 ✭✭✭Raging_Ninja


    Graham Dwyer wasn't and couldnt have been found guilty based on medical evidence since the medical evidence was inconclusive.

    There was only a skeleton left, and no evidence of wounds to the skeleton. We think she was stabbed to death, but there is no actual proof of that.

    Don't see how anything Marie Cassidy says could affect any appeal.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,572 ✭✭✭tara73


    I saw this in the examiner today. Couldn't believe what I was reading. The state pathologist undermining his conviction while an appeal of that conviction is ongoing!? Her job should be in question, in my opinion.

    simple as: any article in the media about the gd case gets attention and consequently money. worked.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,544 ✭✭✭Samaris


    As regards State Pathologist Marie Cassidy, she was giving a lecture "to staff medical students at the Post Graduate Centre at University Hospital Limerick, [and afterwards] Professor Cassidy described the case as "fascinating" when she was asked her medical opinion of the two month trial that gripped the nation.

    The State pathologist recalled examining the remains of Elaine O'Hara's along with her other colleagues.

    "We knew there was no pathology evidence to support anything so it came to what other evidence did they have, and it's up to them to make a case and to present this case, and if they think the case is going to stand up in court then the DPP will go ahead with it.

    "In that case, I thought no, they will not go ahead with it... and then when we were waiting for the verdict coming in I said, it has to be not guilty, " she admitted."


    Technically it was public, but it was in a rather specific set of circumstances, to students who might in the future be faced with similar situations. It was probably inappropriate to comment on a case that still had to go for appeal, but I can see how it happened. If she was asked "Did you think that he wouldn't be convicted given there wasn't enough evidence left to show cause of death?", probably the best thing to say would be something along the lines of "I can't comment on that", but then again, that would have been picked up too. "State Pathologist refuses to comment on whether her lack of evidence means Graham Dwyer was guilty" or words to that effect.

    Eh. I don't see it making much difference in the long run.


  • Posts: 25,909 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I'd love if there was somewhere with a summing-up of the evidence against Dwyer because I heard nothing compelling on the news when the case was on.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,173 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    An opinion expressed by anyone when they're not under cross-examination or Garda questioning would not be admissible as evidence.

    Assuming Dr. Cassidy didn't write the article, then it's legally little more than hearsay.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,318 ✭✭✭✭Menas


    I'd love if there was somewhere with a summing-up of the evidence against Dwyer because I heard nothing compelling on the news when the case was on.

    In the days after the guilty verdict was delivered there was a good show on RTE1, primetime I think, that walked us thru a lot of the evidence, interviewed some of the Garda involved etc.
    It was a good summing up of the evidence, showing its relevancy etc....


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 23,382 ✭✭✭✭Ash.J.Williams


    he's trying to overturn the ban on his russian woman from visiting, said she's his new missus!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,903 ✭✭✭✭Riskymove


    But he wasn't convicted on the pathologists evidence he was convicted on a host of other circumstancial evidence.

    exactly

    no pathology was presented as evidence - they could not prove cause of death etc. This is simply a fact repeated by the Pathologist

    If this was a reason not to convict then the Judge would have directed it to be so.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,130 ✭✭✭Roquentin


    paul williams has a new book out


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,035 ✭✭✭Odelay


    Roquentin wrote: »
    paul williams has a new book out

    I'll stay clear of the fiction section .....


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 11,734 ✭✭✭✭John_Rambo


    Odelay wrote: »
    I'll stay clear of the fiction section .....

    He's very very tight with the Gardai. (I was at a book launch of his a few years ago and every top cop was there from the Commissioner down) I'd say he got the full low down, everything they know about Dwyer.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,318 ✭✭✭✭Menas


    Ms Andreenkova was on the radio last night. She says that he is innocent and a "Very, very kind human being. He has lots of talents... he's very intelligent"

    http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/news/graham-dwyers-girlfriend-he-is-a-very-kind-human-being-i-would-trust-him-with-my-life-31325580.html

    Pass the bucket.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 23,382 ✭✭✭✭Ash.J.Williams


    heard some of that last night....crazy sh1t


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,337 ✭✭✭aphex™


    Roquentin wrote: »
    paul williams has a new book out
    Or get the book from somebody who was there every day of the trial.

    https://twitter.com/Crackingcrime/status/613610334381809664


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,895 ✭✭✭nokia69


    aphex™ wrote: »
    Or get the book from somebody who was there every day of the trial.

    Hi Niamh


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,969 ✭✭✭✭alchemist33


    Menas wrote: »
    Ms Andreenkova was on the radio last night. She says that he is innocent and a "Very, very kind human being. He has lots of talents... he's very intelligent"

    http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/news/graham-dwyers-girlfriend-he-is-a-very-kind-human-being-i-would-trust-him-with-my-life-31325580.html

    Pass the bucket.

    I'm worried that if I click on this link, Google will keep showing me ads of "beautiful" Russian women who want husbands :(


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 18,966 ✭✭✭✭syklops


    Menas wrote: »
    Ms Andreenkova was on the radio last night. She says that he is innocent and a "Very, very kind human being. He has lots of talents... he's very intelligent"

    http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/news/graham-dwyers-girlfriend-he-is-a-very-kind-human-being-i-would-trust-him-with-my-life-31325580.html

    Pass the bucket.

    Theres a lot of things that dont add up about that interview(just listened to it now). For starters, Boylan asked her how she met him and she couldn't say and when pushed, she said they met in "private". Then he asks her whether he believes she is innocent or not and she says she isnt an expert and so can't say, and then later says she believes he is innocent.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,318 ✭✭✭✭Menas


    syklops wrote: »
    Theres a lot of things that dont add up about that interview(just listened to it now). For starters, Boylan asked her how she met him and she couldn't say and when pushed, she said they met in "private". Then he asks her whether he believes she is innocent or not and she says she isnt an expert and so can't say, and then later says she believes he is innocent.

    She is a very odd woman. Troubled in my opinion. I dont know why the media are giving her a platform to broadcast from. She is clearly an attention seeker too.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 66 ✭✭gigglemuch82


    At the end of the interview with Adrian Kennedy on 98 FM, she burst out crying saying that she is sad because her mom died of stomach cancer in 2007 - which was completely out of context of the whole convo. What a bizarre person altogether!


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,995 ✭✭✭take everything


    he's trying to overturn the ban on his russian woman from visiting, said she's his new missus!

    I can only imagine what his poor wife must be thinking of it all.
    I'm still baffled how his wife stayed with for so long.


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