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3 New Navy Vessels for Irish Naval Service

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,468 ✭✭✭Heraldoffreeent


    They look pretty nifty.

    Expensive though.... Googled & the price per unit looks to be around €400k.

    I also wonder if they are too big to land safely on a Beckett?
    Boreas wrote: »
    You may well be right about them being too big for the Beckett's, the Germans use them on the Braunschweig corvettes which are almost exactly the same size as the P60's but have a dedicated helicopter pad.

    They're 10ft by 4ft approx, and weigh 400lb, I'd imagine the free deck would be more than adequate. Even if the three TEU's were in place I'd imagine it would be easy enough to rig a landing pad on top which would take that weight pretty easily.


  • Moderators, Education Moderators Posts: 26,403 Mod ✭✭✭✭Peregrine


    I believe the original spec said it could accomodate 3 TEUs and a flight deck for a UAV (presumably a launcher and catching system for fixed wing). So, if the TEUs weren't there then it should be possible to accomodate rotary UAVs of that size.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,220 ✭✭✭cameramonkey


    Boreas wrote: »
    I suppose cost would be an issue but wouldn't something like the Schiebel Camcopter make sense for naval use.

    The Camcopter has a range of 180km and six hours endurance so I think that would be a bit short of what the NS would want. The Scan Eagle has a range of 1500KM and an endurance of more than 28 hours, it a slower aircraft but with the vast distances out into the Atlantic I think the scan eagle would be a better fit.


    I know we are talking about naval operation but is there a need to have a ship based UAV? Why not just have them land based in Cork with conventional runway landings? I dont know if this would make them cheaper but all the problems associated with launching and retrieving a UAV in the Atlantic would be mitigated. It would also mean that a larger UAV could be used.

    This looks good.

    http://www.auvsi.org/HamptonRoads/blogs/auvsi-news/2014/12/18/liferay


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,712 ✭✭✭roundymac


    Any update as to when she will be delivered.


  • Registered Users Posts: 112 ✭✭a/tel


    roundymac wrote: »
    Any update as to when she will be delivered.


    17th May


    http://www.torridge.gov.uk/article/15320/Tuesday-5th-May-2015


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,049 ✭✭✭sparky42


    It is no time for heel-dragging - lives are waiting to be saved http://www.independent.ie/world-news/europe/it-is-no-time-for-heeldragging-lives-are-waiting-to-be-saved-31209776.html Eoghan O Neachtain



    who is dragging heels?

    descision by cabinet on tuesday

    http://www.rte.ie/news/2015/0509/700001-le-eithne-migrant/

    thought he said that last week

    What's the EU mission got to do with the replacement thread?


  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 15,766 Mod ✭✭✭✭Tabnabs


    I've heard a whisper of the JJ being commissioned in a harbour well known to Eithne, over a weekend in mid June.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,507 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    Coming from you Tabnabs it could only be Dun Laoghaire?

    I always thought that would be the obvious choice with the Joyce connection.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,986 ✭✭✭mikeym


    a/tel wrote: »

    Not happening. Was talking to a crew member today.


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,049 ✭✭✭sparky42


    mikeym wrote: »
    Not happening. Was talking to a crew member today.

    Is she getting work done on her or is there another issue impacting things? It's what nearly 2 months slippage now?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,986 ✭✭✭mikeym


    sparky42 wrote: »
    Is she getting work done on her or is there another issue impacting things? It's what nearly 2 months slippage now?

    The person didnt go into that much detail about the technical issues.

    If I find out anymore il let ye know.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,783 ✭✭✭BowWow


    Any update on P62? Rumours on another forum that all is not well with P61...


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,049 ✭✭✭sparky42


    BowWow wrote: »
    Any update on P62? Rumours on another forum that all is not well with P61...

    If you are talking about the post on IMO, mariner has been pretty negative about the entire P60 purchase in the posts I've seen. Didn't the admiral speak fairly highly of Beckett at a recent conference?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,986 ✭✭✭mikeym


    http://www.torridge.gov.uk/article/15437/Friday-5th-June-2015

    Crew will be heading across the pond very soon.


  • Registered Users Posts: 332 ✭✭nowecant


    Any update on this?

    What was her original due date? 3 months ago?


  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 15,766 Mod ✭✭✭✭Tabnabs




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,468 ✭✭✭Heraldoffreeent


    Tabnabs wrote: »

    Shes back at torridge, theres a problem with the port engine cooling system which, when its sorted, will allow her to sail on the next tide,morning July the 2nd. It seems the Propeller problems have been sorted and the trials were acceptable in that regard.


  • Registered Users Posts: 112 ✭✭a/tel


    Tabnabs wrote: »


    Appledore is in Devon, in England not Wales! :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:


  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 15,766 Mod ✭✭✭✭Tabnabs


    a/tel wrote: »
    Appledore is in Devon, in England not Wales! :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

    Good God, you're grammar is appalling.

    But thanks for your worthy contribution to the thread...


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,220 ✭✭✭cameramonkey


    Tabnabs wrote: »
    Good God, you're grammar is appalling.

    But thanks for your worthy contribution to the thread...


    I think that should be "your" not "you're". You're is short for you are.


  • Registered Users Posts: 605 ✭✭✭Todd Toddington III


    I think that should be "your" not "you're". You're is short for you are.


    You're correct.


  • Registered Users Posts: 112 ✭✭a/tel


    I think that should be "your" not "you're". You're is short for you are.

    Nothing wrong with my geography though!!!

    :P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P


  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 15,766 Mod ✭✭✭✭Tabnabs


    With all the talk of how many ships we need, at least the yanks know the answer for their own fleet.

    CIIjTjfWsAEcqWJ.png


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,045 ✭✭✭OzCam


    "Sounds like a swell idea, Admiral. When y'all figure out how to make a destroyer for 13 bucks and change, come on back and see us."

    God Bless the US Navy.


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,049 ✭✭✭sparky42


    Tabnabs wrote: »
    With all the talk of how many ships we need, at least the yanks know the answer for their own fleet.

    CIIjTjfWsAEcqWJ.png

    Oh god the LCS, how nobody has been courtmartialled for that epic disaster of a project is beyond me.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,248 ✭✭✭✭BoJack Horseman


    sparky42 wrote: »
    Oh god the LCS, how nobody has been courtmartialled for that epic disaster of a project is beyond me.

    Less firepower than a Beckett for 6 times the price..... Great deal!


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,049 ✭✭✭sparky42


    Less firepower than a Beckett for 6 times the price..... Great deal!

    With a gun that is inaccurate at top speed, mission packages that won't exist until over 1/3 of the first units lifespan is gone... Trying to turn these lemon designs into frigates now is going to be even funnier in the tragic sense.

    I love some of the PR statements, "we'll defeat the enemies with our Wash we're so fast" (nice way to avoid saying they can't do anything else)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,029 ✭✭✭Rhys Essien




  • Registered Users Posts: 4,049 ✭✭✭sparky42




  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 15,766 Mod ✭✭✭✭Tabnabs




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,507 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    Nice to see her on the move at last regardless, was pretty disheartening seeing her position alongside Appledore for weeks on end.

    Still hoping for the commissioning ceremony to be done in Dun Laoghaire in sight of the Joyce museum etc. Anyone have any knowledge about that?


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,049 ✭✭✭sparky42


    Suggestions on IMO that all is not well again on JJ...


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 2,688 Mod ✭✭✭✭Morpheus


    Shes back tied up in the harbor in the UK :(


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,507 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    Oh dear. Well that rather dents the romantic optimism of the North Devon Gazette article....


  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 15,766 Mod ✭✭✭✭Tabnabs


    I'm hearing September at the earliest for JJ. Apparently all is not well with her builders and quality control is poor. Problems with her and sister-ships will be ironed out on both sides of the Georges Channel before the final cheque is handed over...


  • Registered Users Posts: 92 ✭✭Boreas


    I take it that if the EPV/MRV does go ahead Appledore are unlikely to be in the running for the contract so.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,507 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    That's dire stuff. Have problems manifested on the Beckett? Will P63 contract be cancelled you'd wonder?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,507 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    Boreas wrote: »
    I take it that if the EPV/MRV does go ahead Appledore are unlikely to be in the running for the contract so.

    The third P60 is the issue at hand. The EPV is years away yet, even if they began speccing it next Monday it could be 3 or 4 years before steel was cut.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,986 ✭✭✭mikeym


    What a joke.


    The P63 build should not go ahead and the contract should be cancelled.

    We shouldnt go near Babcock again.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,986 ✭✭✭mikeym


    Dont forget the Le Aoife was decommissioned Last February because at the time the James Joyce was nearly ready.

    And now its July.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 4,049 ✭✭✭sparky42


    mikeym wrote: »
    What a joke.


    The P63 build should not go ahead and the contract should be cancelled.

    We shouldnt go near Babcock again.

    Then we are down one ship for at least 2-3 years at least, it's not like we can just give the contract at the same price to some other yard and have them start cutting still this year. We'd have to go back out to tender even if we were going to select the exact same P 60 design...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,682 ✭✭✭Markcheese


    Any word on how Sam is performing and what the Quality is like -

    Slava ukraini 🇺🇦



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 15,766 Mod ✭✭✭✭Tabnabs


    A full crew was dispatched last week via lorry and ferry to the dockyard in North Devon, where the ship was built in the hope of being able to bring it back to their base in Haulbowline, Cork.

    LÉ James Joyce was supposed to be handed over to the Naval Service a number of months ago, but has suffered from several teething problems.

    It had been hoped that everything would go smoothly on her most recent sea trials.

    However, it turned out there was a major problem with oil leaking from the main engine and the crew was forced to return home again by ferry last weekend.

    It was the third time that navy personnel had been dispatched to check out the vessel, which was built at Babcock Marine, the same company which also built the LÉ Samuel Beckett.

    The Government has also put in an order for a third, as yet unnamed vessel, which is expected to be delivered early next year.

    Sources said the problem didn’t lie with Babcock Marine, but with an Italian company which has supplied the engine to it.

    A few weeks ago, plans to bring the ship home were scuppered during sea trials when it transpired the shaft connecting the engines to the propellers had not been properly aligned.

    One source said the “noise was unbearable” when the ship was being brought up to full speed during sea trials in the Bristol Channel.

    Following that incident, Minister for Defence Simon Coveney said he regarded the problems “as serious enough” not to sign off on accepting the vessel until they were rectified.

    He said while the Government had a very good relationship with Babcock Marine — it also built LÉ Róisín and LÉ Niamh — he would not sign off on taking the LÉ James Joyce until the problems are resolved.

    Meanwhile, Mr Coveney will be in the Maltese capital Valletta this morning, where he will meet the crew of the flagship LÉ Eithne.

    The ship, which is being resupplied, has rescued 3,376 migrant men women and children from unseaworthy vessels.
    http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/navy-crew-abandon-ship-over-problems-onnbspleacute-james-joyce-341088.html#.VZvMeQ_zyfU.twitter


    "Sources said the problem didn’t lie with Babcock Marine"


    My source says otherwise...


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,161 ✭✭✭Ren2k7


    Is the Beckett experiencing the same problems or is it a problem unique to the Joyce?


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,049 ✭✭✭sparky42


    Tabnabs wrote: »
    http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/navy-crew-abandon-ship-over-problems-onnbspleacute-james-joyce-341088.html#.VZvMeQ_zyfU.twitter


    "Sources said the problem didn’t lie with Babcock Marine"


    My source says otherwise...

    Courious that the oil leak only came apparent on testing, would have though that it would be showing even while she was resting at the pierside?


  • Registered Users Posts: 332 ✭✭nowecant


    Tabnabs wrote: »

    And now the information is in the public domain we get to listen to ignorant comments about Ireland wasting money on 'War Ships' when it could be better spent on bla bla bla bla


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,986 ✭✭✭mikeym


    Crew are going over next week.


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,049 ✭✭✭sparky42


    mikeym wrote: »
    Crew are going over next week.

    Quick fix? Will the tides be right for getting her out?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 192 ✭✭Jim from Cork


    Was on the Sam at the weekend (SeaFest).
    There was scaffolding on the stack and some painting going on about the hull. There were touch up paint spots on the fore deck. A few windows look to have been removed and were covered in plastic.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,507 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    Informed speculation over on IMO that P62 is due to arrive in Haulbowline on Friday next, vibration issues having been sorted.

    Also a bit of a teaser that she might arrive escorted by the Flagship, herself due home from the humanitarian mission in the Med!


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