Cork GAA Discussion Thread

D'Agger · 17-06-2015 11:46AM

thinkstoomuch1 wrote: »

Hurling is on TV later

u21s? On TG4 I assume? Will look to record as I can't make it

thinkstoomuch1 · 17-06-2015 11:52AM

sean mac wrote: »

Took a kerry man to say it,fair play tomas. There gas been ZERO improvement with cuthbert thus year,we lack leadership from management down and are heading for a hosing in killarney in front of the smallest cork crowd there in my memory

I agree
What do you make of o se
He was some player

thinkstoomuch1 · 17-06-2015 11:52AM

D'Agger wrote: »

u21s? On TG4 I assume? Will look to record as I can't make it

Yeah that's the game and it's on tg 4

Gary Neville · 17-06-2015 12:43PM

sean mac wrote: »

Took a kerry man to say it,fair play tomas. There gas been ZERO improvement with cuthbert thus year,we lack leadership from management down and are heading for a hosing in killarney in front of the smallest cork crowd there in my memory

I've had serious reservations about Cuthbert, from the start and last year was simple pathetic.

However, I've seen some positive signs this season. KOH was far better at kick-outs and having AOC at MF is a big plus. BOD is a very accomplished footballer and has improved since last season.
Donncha is finally fit and looks rearing for road.

I'd be very concerned that in spite of a year's work, we do not seem to have improved defensively. The capitualtion v Dublin was also a huge worry.

However, I think E FitzM won't be thanking TOS. Cuthbert has the perfect tool now to get our lads right up for this. TOS has confirmed that Kerry see our players as lacking character in a tight game. There's only one way to answer that.

The battle lines was clearly set out and we are under no illusion that Kerry will seek to put us away in the 1st quarter - as per normal.

They'll be no hiding place in Killarney for management or players. Something tells me we are going to see a great performance from our lads.

thinkstoomuch1 · 17-06-2015 12:53PM

Gary Neville wrote: »

I've had serious reservations about Cuthbert, from the start and last year was simple pathetic.

However, I've seen some positive signs this season. KOH was far better at kick-outs and having AOC at MF is a big plus. BOD is a very accomplished footballer and has improved since last season.
Donncha is finally fit and looks rearing for road.

I'd be very concerned that in spite of a year's work, we do not seem to have improved defensively. The capitualtion v Dublin was also a huge worry.

However, I think E FitzM won't be thanking TOS. Cuthbert has the perfect tool now to get our lads right up for this. TOS has confirmed that Kerry see our players as lacking character in a tight game. There's only one way to answer that.

The battle lines was clearly set out and we are under no illusion that Kerry will seek to put us away in the 1st quarter - as per normal.

They'll be no hiding place in Killarney for management or players. Something tells me we are going to see a great performance from our lads.

Not being smart here now honestly but what exactly tells you that we will be great in kerry

You must remember defence so bad in league and the recent three challenge matches plus clare you don't just head to kerry and all is solved
We have two weeks or so to killarney it's hard to solve Cork problems that short time
I hope you don't think the league was successful in yes we didn't get relegated but there's was numerous poor performance in defence amid the false dawns where there's imo only two games you could say possibly three were true value test to Cork

Gary Neville · 17-06-2015 01:09PM

thinkstoomuch1 wrote: »

Not being smart here now honestly but what exactly tells you that we will be great in kerry

You must remember defence so bad in league and the recent three challenge matches plus clare you don't just head to kerry and all is solved
We have two weeks or so to killarney it's hard to solve Cork problems that short time
I hope you don't think the league was successful in yes we didn't get relegated but there's was numerous poor performance in defence amid the false dawns where there's imo only two games you could say possibly three were true value test to Cork

I set out my concerns but we must also look at the positives. We have been so badly exposed in Killarney on the last 2 visits that a blind man could see that we'll have to get numbers back to protect our FB line. I see Stephen Cronin as perfect to mark on of Kerry's corner men and I'd see Cadogan on Donaghy. We are bound to have learned from the Dublin game and will surely have a better link-up plan.

I'm not too concerned about the Clare game as we didn't play a sweeper. We needed a win and got it.

Our players got lambasted last year after the Kerry game and I'd say they have been waiting all year to oput things right. With Tomas calling their character into question - they are bound to respond.

Kerry will see us as push-over and Cork often play well when it's least expected.

zetecescort · 17-06-2015 01:13PM

That's all we need, "a great performance in Killarney" and the bluffer gets another year or two.

Players back in defence doesn't matter a damn if they don't put in any tackles. You could have 20 Corkmen inside their own 45 and teams would still run though them.

DuffleBag · 17-06-2015 01:56PM

Yeah, as above, my fear is that we do put in a good performance in Killarney, then get hammered by the likes of Donegal or Dublin in the AI series and Cuthbert the bluffer gets another year at the healm on the back of a killarney performance..

Horse84 · 17-06-2015 03:00PM

http://t.co/UVwtIdbwIW
It took a Kerry man to start it:)

sean mac · 17-06-2015 04:27PM

gary you are delusional, the team/squad is all over the place, what happened to Stephen o Donoghue for example? paddy o shea? that's only recently. The only palces on the pitch where there has been any consistency of selection is ohallorhan in goal and hurley/oneill in the full forward line, every other line players have been dropped, selected elsewhere etc all over the place.
We have no centre back, no partner for oconnor midfield unless deane is selected, fellas like Kerrigan, gould, Kelly are dropped picked all year and except for seemingly having to select the 3 odriscoll brothers in the middle 8 somewhere we have a management that are cluelss at this level. In each of the 3 challenges we leaked scores all over the place and had to let Armagh make changes in the last 10 minutes to keep that game competitive. Against clare we should have conceded 4 or 5 goals, look at the 'defending' for the clare goal ffs, clare players cueing up on the 13 yard line with no defender near them.
Tot think/expect this team to pick it up and even perform to a suitale standard vs Kerry at this stage is dream stuff, the team has been mismanaged for over a year at this stage with players unsure of their role or what they are expected to do. Add into this a naïve management team who simply aren't up to it and we are ****ed, defeat to Kerry followed by another debacle vs Dublin in the quarter finals is a sure thing

Horse84 · 17-06-2015 04:41PM

The girlfriend is from Killarney and I was down there at the weekend and I was taken aback at the contempt they hold cuthbert in. Maybe contempt is the wrong word but they see him as some comedic figure, they don't see him as being anyway serious at all and can't understand how he's being let in charge at all.
They fully expect to put us to the sword down there, can't wait for it in fact. I'll be going hiding myself that week, god help me

slingerz · 17-06-2015 04:48PM

Donnacha O'Connor very good for Duhallow against Muskerry last night

ShamoBuc · 17-06-2015 04:53PM

O Sé was fairly spot on. A lot of posters in here will agree with him and we've been saying it for some time as well.
Kerry have a defence that can be got at, no doubt about that but Cork are not the team to do it. That have a vastly superior midfield which will certainly not allow us the clean possession there to get at their defence. They have a foward line that will rip the Cork defence to shreds given the chance, which they will undoubtedly get. Our defensive setup - if you can call it that - is not settled or practised at defending in a manner needed to stop Kerry.
I expect Kerry to win easily. I expect it to be very hard viewing for Cork followers. We might come good in the qualifiers- because we Do have good players, only to put in an equally poor performance once one of the better teams come along.
Tactics, the need and ability to alter game plans quickly during a match, are going to catch us again. Be certain of it!

thinkstoomuch1 · 17-06-2015 04:57PM

Horse84 wrote: »

http://t.co/UVwtIdbwIW
It took a Kerry man to start it:)

At last this set up is being questioned on the field of play
In all fairness on field play with performances and the absolute no direction of this team it's about time it's questioned
Allows we had by some in the Cork scene was turn a blind eye the last eighteen months when Sunday showed nothing absolutely nothing was learned from the league

Of course there will be a few usual suspects that ex players pundits back cuthbhertt and co and critical masters and o se but surely the eternal optimist can even see the huge huge problem we had since day one
O Neill and Keane rightly critsed after Ireland game and JBM correctly so also cuthbhert deserved to be with he's back up team bar flangan who fitness coaching is excellent
Cork football may finally evolve with such honesty

The great dinny long critical Cork on kerry radio also but never got a chance to say what's wrong in all areas Cork game
He's right Cork have little chance beating kerry also
He won all Ireland Cork and now lives and hugely involved Austin stacks who won all Ireland medal with and he son played this year for them

thinkstoomuch1 · 17-06-2015 04:59PM

slingerz wrote: »

Donnacha O'Connor very good for Duhallow against Muskerry last night

O leary was outstanding also as was Hickey

D'Agger · 17-06-2015 05:01PM

I expect a tighter game than most tbqh - as has been said - Kerrys defence is there to be got at and Cork have an abundance of forward talent. The shame is that, even with that attacking threat, the current management in Cork don't have the ability to adapt mid game. Out of all the comments Tomás made slating Cork - the one about never having a plan B hit the nail on the head for me.

Cork haven't turned into a bad team overnight, and despite taking a tonking in the final, they were impressive in the league - I'm surprised by the volume of people writing them off. Kerry had similar last year, myself included going into Pairc Ui Caoimh but that was more down to youth and inexperience, lacking Gooch, than a lack of faith in the management & as a result of that, the faith the players have in getting a result.

I hope for a good game in Killarney, obviously I hope Kerry win, but I can easily see Cork answering a few critics & giving a performance....if there's no plan B however, Cuthbert deserves a public roasting

Gary Neville · 17-06-2015 05:49PM

sean mac wrote: »

gary you are delusional, the team/squad is all over the place, what happened to Stephen o Donoghue for example? paddy o shea? that's only recently. The only palces on the pitch where there has been any consistency of selection is ohallorhan in goal and hurley/oneill in the full forward line, every other line players have been dropped, selected elsewhere etc all over the place.
We have no centre back, no partner for oconnor midfield unless deane is selected, fellas like Kerrigan, gould, Kelly are dropped picked all year and except for seemingly having to select the 3 odriscoll brothers in the middle 8 somewhere we have a management that are cluelss at this level. In each of the 3 challenges we leaked scores all over the place and had to let Armagh make changes in the last 10 minutes to keep that game competitive. Against clare we should have conceded 4 or 5 goals, look at the 'defending' for the clare goal ffs, clare players cueing up on the 13 yard line with no defender near them.
Tot think/expect this team to pick it up and even perform to a suitale standard vs Kerry at this stage is dream stuff, the team has been mismanaged for over a year at this stage with players unsure of their role or what they are expected to do. Add into this a naïve management team who simply aren't up to it and we are ****ed, defeat to Kerry followed by another debacle vs Dublin in the quarter finals is a sure thing

I'm having a serious re-think after hearing what Masters said. He wouldn't be stirring it just for the sake of it. 2 Nemo Men have thrown Cubby under the bus now. Doesn't look good. It's very pointed that they both referred to the dropping of Gould which amazed me. I was also very surprised that Tomas Clancy didn't start with Jamie Sull, Cadogan and Tom Clancy all missing. It's telling these 2 players that management do not rate them. However, KOD did a great job on Brennan and BOD was impressive too.

As I said earlier, the lack of progress in effectively deploying the swarm defence is very worrying. We were very poor in challenges v Galway and Armagh who were both well beaten last week-end so there seems to be issues there.

I was hoping that we would go to Killarney with a decent game plan and keep it tight for the first quarter and then grow in confidence - Alan O Connor will be a major asset and Magire will probably partner him.

We could do with Deane and Gould in the HF line due to Kerry's height and fielding ability in the middle third but COD and Kerrigan are likely to cover back better - It's a tough one.

I'd be very concerned now that the squad has lost faith in Cuthbert - why would Masters allege that, if it's not true ?

Very worried now

zetecescort · 17-06-2015 07:08PM

D'Agger wrote: »

I expect a tighter game than most tbqh - as has been said - Kerrys defence is there to be got at and Cork have an abundance of forward talent. The shame is that, even with that attacking threat, the current management in Cork don't have the ability to adapt mid game. Out of all the comments Tomás made slating Cork - the one about never having a plan B hit the nail on the head for me.

Cork haven't turned into a bad team overnight, and despite taking a tonking in the final, they were impressive in the league - I'm surprised by the volume of people writing them off. Kerry had similar last year, myself included going into Pairc Ui Caoimh but that was more down to youth and inexperience, lacking Gooch, than a lack of faith in the management & as a result of that, the faith the players have in getting a result.

I hope for a good game in Killarney, obviously I hope Kerry win, but I can easily see Cork answering a few critics & giving a performance....if there's no plan B however, Cuthbert deserves a public roasting

call me paranoid but this could be the ultimate yerra from O Se. rile up the Cork players so give a decent showing in Killarney and earn Cuthbert another term.

Kerry laughing at us whether they hammer us or if Cuthbert gets another chance:mad:

Orizio · 17-06-2015 07:43PM

This isn't on c103? Seriously?

ShamoBuc · 17-06-2015 08:02PM

Good start by Cork but Waterford have begun to play and we are giving too many very scorable frees away. The gap between the teams is appearing in general play but having a spare defender has tightened up the defence but a few aimless balls into our forwards not helping as they need accurate balls as they are being dominated but I am happy to be only 3 points down at ht 0-09 v 0-06

thinkstoomuch1 · 17-06-2015 08:10PM

zetecescort wrote: »

call me paranoid but this could be the ultimate yerra from O Se. rile up the Cork players so give a decent showing in Killarney and earn Cuthbert another term.

Kerry laughing at us whether they hammer us or if Cuthbert gets another chance:mad:

There's a train of thought there i had myself but with other se it's not terrace or spoof talk i do honestly believe he's calling it's as it isn't and he lives in cork and with nemo has interest Cork football and he knows munster poor Cork teams does them no favour

He knows Cork playing well gives them a test Dublin don't have in leinster

This talk that all this hype on kerry and Cork be written off willing spark backs to the wall game is valid but that will only work if match up are right we have a plan a and b and when the game flow required changes Cork make the correct choice
We have seen nothing with this management from day one in any of those

I love Cork football and from the start I genuinely wasn't against cuthbhertt etc for the sake of it
Its purely football but he's record was poor and none he's selection have successful if any record
Cuthbhertt be a great administration as he's passionate about Cork no doubt but he's not a manager top level

Still early but the ist half shows Cork are organised and structured and have a plan and I marked on Neill as one to watch
Having a fine game as is dennehy
This was always a huge ask v star studded Waterford but Cork doing okay

What pleasing was Cork acted fast made a sub
Geary is good but Spillane who's being double marked needs to go half forward and Lee needs come on as Cork need fresh legs
O donughe needs to go midfielder as game is suited for power house like him with Histon in corner back
Waterford senior players with more experience is making a difference but Cork so far showing to compete
It's the second half where we could do with cahalane or Callaghan or Murphy

zetecescort · 17-06-2015 08:20PM

This maybe considered a young team but we look very light compared to Waterford, benefitting from having so many training with their seniors perhaps

ShamoBuc · 17-06-2015 08:24PM

20 left, 6 points in it. They are getting their scores that bit easier. The marking is a bit loose but credit Cork for staying with them so far .

Horse84 · 17-06-2015 08:32PM

zetecescort wrote: »

This maybe considered a young team but we look very light compared to Waterford, benefitting from having so many training with their seniors perhaps

It's very evident. I know they're young but physically they're way off. It's the power that Waterford and other counties bring into the tackle to disposes and then the dynamic power they have to break the tackle when in possession. Over the last few years I can only think of maybe sweetnam and maybe mikey cahalane that have had that and they were just naturals.
Waterford are playing well within themselves I'm afraid.

rebelomar · 17-06-2015 08:37PM

I won't criticise players or management as both are doing their best tonight to stem the tide.

But if this isn't a huge wake up call for the absolute dinosaurs in charge of Cork hurling then I dunno what is.

Ok the development squads down the line have been revamped but it should never have come to this tonight.

Feel sorry for those young lads out there...a harrowing experience for them.

sean mac · 17-06-2015 08:38PM

Men vs boys,skill abd s&c we are way off. Waterford only messing for the last few minutes

Horse84 · 17-06-2015 08:42PM

rebelomar wrote: »

I won't criticise players or management as both are doing their best tonight to stem the tide.

But if this isn't a huge wake up call for the absolute dinosaurs in charge of Cork hurling then I dunno what is.

Ok the development squads down the line have been revamped but it should never have come to this tonight.

Feel sorry for those young lads out there...a harrowing experience for them.

I actually don't think they ****in care to be honest. It's heartbreaking. Lads seriously say what u want about injuries but Waterford could've and probably should've beaten us by 20 points tonight.

rebelomar · 17-06-2015 08:52PM

Horse84 wrote: »

I actually don't think they ****in care to be honest. It's heartbreaking. Lads seriously say what u want about injuries but Waterford could've and probably should've beaten us by 20 points tonight.

Ah Waterford were in third gear all through...Cork just way off the standard in every aspect of the game.

Absolutely frightening to watch that.

Miall108 · 17-06-2015 08:53PM

17 years now since Cork last won an U21 All Ireland. Now that is unheard of. Men against boys tonight, the differences in fitness, skill levels was there for all to see. Cork hurling is fcuked by the looks of it if this is allowed to go on. Surely someone on the Cork County Board has to take the initiative and go and do something about this

zetecescort · 17-06-2015 08:54PM

a poster on another forum made the point that this is the legacy of the Waterford team of the 00's, these u-21s grew up looking up to them and having the likes of Mullane and Browne involved is a huge boost to them.

Our team of the 00's have been blacklisted by the CCB, tried their best to wipe that period from the history books. disgraceful but will never change unless the clubs stop sending nodding dogs as delegates to board meetings

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