Cork GAA Discussion Thread

Deise_2012 wrote: »

yeah tg4 have it and you can watch it on tg4 player if you're abroad

Nice one, not on twitter but will try get in on tg4 player.

Also you don't need to be on Twitter to check other people's tweets.

I know they won handy in the end but tge ****ing defending is woeful. We dont seem to know what we're doing,louggrey as a man marker with cronin sweeping was madness it should have been the other way around. Clare missed some awful easy chances and had at least 4 goal chances thay kerry will bury. K odriscoll offers nothing at midfield alan did well but doesnt have a full game in him,can see kerry drilling that defence

sean mac wrote: »

I know they won handy in the end but tge ****ing defending is woeful. We dont seem to know what we're doing,louggrey as a man marker with cronin sweeping was madness it should have been the other way around. Clare missed some awful easy chances and had at least 4 goal chances thay kerry will bury. K odriscoll offers nothing at midfield alan did well but doesnt have a full game in him,can see kerry drilling that defence

agree fully, I thought we were very slow kicking the ball into O'Neill, Hurley and O'Connor too. 3 lads well able to win at worst 50/50 ball but our build up was like we did under Counihan.

just to add, well done to the Juniors. Brosnan and O'Laoire well on top in midfield but Seamus Hickey the pick of the bunch for me.

ShamoBuc wrote: »

I commented during the week that Tip could well get closer to them than us, I am now positive they will!

Kickouts, defence, tactics, possession

Kickouts are shocking long ones arent realky long at all and When we start to lose them - cleanly or the breaking ball, which kerry are very good at, we will go short and try to pass through tge entire kerry team, not going to happen.

Defence - i am confident our esteemed manager will again pick players out of position, thus causing us problems before a ball is thrown in.

Tactics- in the heat of a Munster final in Killarney against Kerry, you can be certain Cuthbert will shít the course again and be so sloooowwwww to do the obvious.

Possession, our forwards will again be starved of it as a result of the above!


These are the reasons behind why I see a hammering in the offering.
It's very hard for me to see any other outcome.

Unfortunately I ll have to agree. I'd say Kerry must be rubbing their hands with glee. The most frustrating part of it all that the players aren't all that bad as they show from time to time they can be very very good and if you offered Hurley, o'neill, oconnor, shields, and even a few more to most counties they would rip your arm off.

Annoying and all as it is to agree with Tomas o se he hit the nail on the head. Cork don't seem to have a real game plan and If they do have one they won't know what to do when it gets worked out. Kerry worked cork out after 5 mins in last years MSF and there was no one on the line or pitch to see it. Same happened against Dublin when they stopped the ball going to o'neill and Hurley, cork had no plan to change.

TBH I feel very sorry for the players as they will be the ones getting abuse in a few weeks. At this level you need a plan A that every player understands, then a plan B, and C and so on. You need to know how you play when a player gets sent off, or who does what when a player gets injured or is being held. I can't see cork having that level of understanding.

Or maybe cutberth is a cunning fecker and luring everyone into a false sense of security.

When are the u-21 hurling team being named?

zetecescort wrote: »

yeah, a 2 year plan including a disgraceful performance in last years Munster final all just to win in
Killarney. he's some operator alright.

In case people didn't realise, Clare were the ones today with a man in their management team with a few Cork county titles to his name.

Worrying thing is the hurlers have the same issue no ability to change the game when it's going against them.

A good win in Cork are true to a munster final
Kerry got more out of the tippeary game in its bad news for Cork in quinvlan got as a target man two goals from full forward and my fear is Cork will go with a target man but kerry just back from warm weather camp as I and others said there thread pre match they would only be not full peak but they weren't in full peak and fact got two goals shows how lethal will be with improvement v Cork

I going to go in to stuff again here as it sounds I'm repeating stuff I genuinely don't mean to be but one huge worry I have this team is defence and I said six points should be the minimum conceded with five v clare forwards out should be the target, of around that even

The stats are not showing any improvements
Clare got one eight and we're missing Collins Tubridy etc and had two clears chance goals and just cause they didn't score, clare had twice two to one overlap on Cork
Were not defending as well as we should be
Clare had around sixteen wides yet one eight, I am honestly not trying to be harsh but that's poor as you look at who Dublin conceded just ten to Longford and Donegal conceded just eight points to armagh with better forwards than clare.
My worrying is a defence that's totally unsettled with lads not in the natural positions who are conceding in challenge matches league and again today more than they should be and facing ones of the best forwards in the country with the Gooch who is hungry to show he stoll has it, James o donughe, the ever improvement and excellent geaney, Donaghey with Tommy Walsh, donnacha Walsh, Darren o sullivan all viable options, it's a concern for Cork to play kerry who will have a fair skin of possession.

Donegal and Dublin play a blanket with proper sweeper system.
I genuinely don't think the defence system is as effective as them and I'd worry with kerry who will take any goal chances that is available them or if there given four willing score at least two.



Cork done okay at midfield with o Connor he won lot ball and Driscoll was in a man marking role on brennan and
Brennan didn't score much credit o Driscoll but he got on a lot ball all the same.
Driscoll showed well for kick outs and brennan held the centre mostly and Cork credit due had a tactic.

My concern is if kerry go man for man I worry regards possession as Cork need likes of Deane who showed up well to start.
Kerry will force Cork to kick down the centre as they won't allow Cork go short or play the wings just like Dublin done in the league final.






However brennan when he was moved won a nice bit of ball and at full forward and caused us problems under the high ball so kerry with Donaghey is a worry.
Cadogan surely has to be full back against Donaghey.

I don't blame o Connor for being subbed as this was always known he wouldn't last a game so worry is if he performs v kerry even for fifty minutes we need subs to bring on and kerry have midfield options imo.

Brian o Driscoll my man match outstanding in he has full of cohesion guile elegance and awesome footballer but he imo shouldn't be centre back in Cork need a holding centre v kerry and imo Brian should be a half forward type defender where he could win an all star and that role allows him defend and create without having to hold the centre in imo it put limits on him to attack when he should be allowed at half forward to attack but as centre back he's job is to hold the line.

Cork team kicked a lot ball great to see in the ist half but then changed to running the second half and running won't do v kerry

Worry was Cork didn't get more goals but I think that's not problem as hurley o Neill will get them with good ball as Tomas o se said.

Main worries I have that I didn't see any improvement today is defence and I'd still be worried for midfield v kerry and the half forward line will face a blanket defence v kerry.

Cork people say Cork couldn't win either way in this game in people expected a win and if they did opposition be questioned
That's valid, but I still think the defence and certain aspects you could do well as we haven't seen them in most games so you expect v clare to do the basics but like in defence they didn't do it.


I don't think Cork will beat kerry so the qualifier draw is the key
I'm not sure who we can meet.
Armagh I said before I don't rate mcgenney as a great tactical manager so Cork may have a chance here but Galway showed enough v mayo and are a young team, ist year in new management that never gave up showed and they showed enough attack wise that they will improve and Walsh is a huge loss but they have huge pace and they are a team I wouldn't want to meet.


They made some naive errors but you would expect them to learn and that soft goal at the start of the ist half gave mayo momentum.
Good win for mayo but I'm not convinced mayo have more in them and imo I don't see them better than last year as Tomas o se said, stop cillan o Connor and there in trouble.

Donegal got over the minefield of ulster in two hard games and should beat derry handy so while monaghan could beat them you expect Donegal to be all Ireland last eight
Cork had some fine individual displays but I would be cautious n Cork always score lovely points in games like this and kerry will be far more intense even though I believe if cork planned accordingly and got defence right and kerry will not be full peak v Cork and there's an opportunity there to beat them
My concern is the defence is showing no improvement and I think kerry will score too much.
And the key concern is will the management realise there's lot to be worked on here and this team can't start v kerry.
Cronin had a fine game and would be suited to donughe but if he's left on geaney or Donaghey he will struggle with high ball.
Ken o hallorhan made great saves and showed why he is imo Cork best shot stopper.

Tomas o se who is honest out and a good pundit said it, this was not a great test and the way Cork Were picked today they seem all over the place he said and if Cork get ball to the forwards yes they will score but that's the problem.
Ciarán whelan is correct in Alan o Connor is a good player but it's late to add him to the panel and expect him to make a huge difference.
I posted a link before when fitzmaurice years ago said he was a huge fan of Alan o Connor.
Have no doubt kerry will have a plan to target him in to limit him ball as kerry have at least four midfield options.





Cork juniors were given a good run for their money against a good limerick team that surprised me.
Hickey the sub , Mark sugrue and leary and brosnan at midfield were very good so much I think the two limerick men were subbed at midfield.
Leary worked hard, covered ground, broke through at times and while he's shooting was poor he had a fine game.
Look he may not be the answer at midfield for Cork who knows but again on today's display and for the under twenty one team in the past he deserves a chance surely.
Cork face a strong kerry with a few of the ucc lads and a few minors with a new coach and a few from last year defeat to cavan so Cork have a big ask but in Cork in two weeks I would give Cork a good chance.

As for the glen last night I agree with the poster it was a poor game
Glen seem be lacking confidence from last year county final.
I thought to be fair to him Horgan showed an improvement in work ethic and hunger last night and he fought for the ball last night which is all you could ask from him as he has the talents no doubt.

I think had Clare not been missing 6/7 starters we would've and should've been in trouble. Im not looking forward to Killarney..

John Mullane taking the Cork under 21 side seriously

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I've heard a tired, lazy argument trotted out that Cork don't have new players to come in.


From watching their underage teams, I can name eight - goalkeeper Patrick Collins, David Noonan, Kieran Histon, Richard Cahalane, Anthony Spillane, Dwayne Lee, Niall Cashman and minor sensation Shane Kingston, unfortunately ruled out for the season through injury.


These are players who can change the dynamic of Cork hurling into the future, and some of them are ready to make an impact now."
http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/hurling/john-mullane-cork-can-still-turn-it-around-if-they-implement-these-five-key-changes-31302060.html
Richard Cahalane?????

willietherock wrote: »

John Mullane taking the Cork under 21 side seriously

"
I've heard a tired, lazy argument trotted out that Cork don't have new players to come in.


From watching their underage teams, I can name eight - goalkeeper Patrick Collins, David Noonan, Kieran Histon, Richard Cahalane, Anthony Spillane, Dwayne Lee, Niall Cashman and minor sensation Shane Kingston, unfortunately ruled out for the season through injury.


These are players who can change the dynamic of Cork hurling into the future, and some of them are ready to make an impact now."
http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/hurling/john-mullane-cork-can-still-turn-it-around-if-they-implement-these-five-key-changes-31302060.html
Richard Cahalane?????

Whats wrong with Richard Cahalane? Fine hurler.

Cork Juniors

Thought Coughlan, Corkery, Kiely, Sugure and O'Laoire stood out as the players likely to compete at a higher level.

Seymour in goal looked competent also. Full back Hyde was skinned all day though and tbh i dont see an All Ireland in this group.


Cork Seniors

A little rant first but the current fashion of football, 14 behind the ball, sweepers and lateral handpassing just isnt for me at all. I believe that if you could coach the players to be better kickers of the ball that they would bypass the sweepers and blanket before they ever got a chance to get in position but that is neither here nor there

O'Connor & Brian O'Driscoll were the best on show, Donnacha also scored some good points. Frustrating to see the slowness in attack especially with talents like O'Neill and Hurley inside.

Dont think Colm or Kevin O'Driscoll are at the level required. Would believe that Paddy Kelly and Fintan Goold are superior players to those two.

Stephen Cronin is a fine young player but i think the level is a year or so too soon for him. Loughrey is certainly not a corner back, perhaps a hard working wing forward maybe?

All told a disappointing game that was of no real benefit other than minutes in the legs for Alan O'Connor.

Travel to Killarney in fear more than anything definitely not expecting any miracles there

http://www.the42.ie/cork-u21-munster-hurling-waterford-2163295-Jun2015/?utm_source=twitter_self