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mahoney_j · 11-06-2015 09:21PM

degetme wrote: »

Doc feeds are 245/255tonne

Are there nuts/ration still dusty as fook??,when buying a ration nut buy it on ingridents/energy content .um paying 260 for a hi maize 16% with 0.96 ufl and very good ingridents list

degetme · 11-06-2015 09:25PM

Timmaay wrote: »

Hmmm I was thinking 270 well off the mark. Local Glanbia is 290 tho!

That's cheap filler stuff. More of a mineral carrier and all the required daily minerals mite not be in that.

degetme · 11-06-2015 09:31PM

mahoney_j wrote: »

Are there nuts/ration still dusty as fook??,when buying a ration nut buy it on ingridents/energy content .um paying 260 for a hi maize 16% with 0.96 ufl and very good ingridents list

Got one load of them in spring. Not dusty that time. Yes agree with above.

mf240 · 11-06-2015 09:59PM

Timmaay wrote: »

Hmmm I was thinking 270 well off the mark. Local Glanbia is 290 tho!

290 for the 12% how they sell anything is beyond me.

I bet you theres plenty of fillers in it at that.

orm0nd · 11-06-2015 10:00PM

pre mowing heavy covers here since last weekend

b/f up .2 and p. up .15

yields holding the same

maybe it's just coincedence

mahoney_j · 11-06-2015 10:04PM

orm0nd wrote: »

pre mowing heavy covers here since last weekend

b/f up .2 and p. up .15

yields holding the same

maybe it's just coincedence

Arse has fell out of my fat and p high ,yields holding steady ,9on after grass .3.54 fat 3.62 p 30.4ltrs

degetme · 11-06-2015 10:11PM

mahoney_j wrote: »

Arse has fell out of my fat and p high ,yields holding steady ,9on after grass .3.54 fat 3.62 p 30.4ltrs

you must be grazing high quality stuff with that fat. Tried the acid buff a month ago and improved fat back to more normal levels. Either that or grass got a bit too strong

kevthegaff · 11-06-2015 10:34PM

Lakeland down 1.5c ya my fat and protein similar, grass v good quality but not real bulk after pulling a few of the heavy covers

kowtow · 12-06-2015 08:32AM

Interesting dairyco figures on production costs in UK, falling slightly:

Pence per litre
Top 25%
Bottom 25%
Total Cash Costs of Production
23.4
30.5
Total Full Economic Costs of Production
26.5
36.2
% change in CoP compared with 2013/14
-5.0
-4.8

Puts the cash cost of production on top 25% farms up around 32c (largely because of the weak €, would have been 29-30c a year ago). I think the "cash cost" is the nearest comparator to the figures we see quoted here.

The important figure of course, if you want to eat, is the full economic cost. Would suggest that in the UK the top 25% at least would have banked some profits (maybe €30-40K?) per labour unit at peak milk prices *after* paying themselves a wage, as well as the rent income for their own land.

Those outside the top 25%, OTOH, would have needed peak milk prices to pay themselves for their work and their own land.

Greengrass1 · 12-06-2015 09:43AM

mahoney_j wrote: »

Arse has fell out of my fat and p high ,yields holding steady ,9on after grass .3.54 fat 3.62 p 30.4ltrs

Still up at 2.24 kgsms though mj.
24.6 l here 4.12 bf 3.84 p
Grass will be tight for this week so upped meal to 4 kg this morning

kevthegaff · 12-06-2015 09:48AM

25.8l here bf at 3.65 wss 3.57 protein hovering around 3.55, 2.5 kg a day

jaymla627 · 12-06-2015 10:06AM

29 litres
3.55 bf
3.47 pr
Meal pulled back to 3kg cows heaving of aftergrass and not to intrested in nuts

orm0nd · 12-06-2015 10:21AM

mahoney_j wrote: »

Arse has fell out of my fat and p high ,yields holding steady ,9on after grass .3.54 fat 3.62 p 30.4ltrs

30.65 ltrs b/f 3.91 p 3.75

had a couple of late may calvers which are helping to jack up the yields,

RightTurnClyde · 12-06-2015 10:27AM

29.8 litres
3.58 f
3.45 p

4.1 Kgs meal
No after grass yet going to do a second cut, plenty of grass but baling excess, will be carrying extra mouths this winter

Milked out · 12-06-2015 10:32AM

24L at 4.12 bf and 3.65p feeding 2.5kg flat rate 14% nut stocked at 4.4 with no paddock out and second cut ground closed. Will pull out culls b4 bull goes in and may buy in a few autumn cows off the back of them. Carry overs/ culls pulling down the yield but they are putting on a bit of condition

whelan2 · 12-06-2015 10:48AM

dried off 4 carryover cows this morning, they where giving feck all, calving end of august

awaywithyou · 12-06-2015 10:58AM

reading jackie k in the ifj/comic/ifa rag (whatever yere having yereselves!) last nite and he said 52000 cows culled/slaughtered in new zealand last wk alone and over a million expected to be slaughtered.... thats some culling... what effect if any will ti have on milk price??

AntrimGlens · 12-06-2015 11:08AM

I see figures released here this week show that milk from forage figures for the NI herd have dropped by 1700 litres per cow in the last 14 years to around 1400 litres now. They costed the replacement concentrates at up to £170 per cow, so it's not hard to see why margins are tight if even existent at current milk price, if that's your starting base.
A direct result of men chasing numbers me thinks.

jaymla627 · 12-06-2015 11:23AM

AntrimGlens wrote: »

I see figures released here this week show that milk from forage figures for the NI herd have dropped by 1700 litres per cow in the last 14 years to around 1400 litres now. They costed the replacement concentrates at up to £170 per cow, so it's not hard to see why margins are tight if even existent at current milk price, if that's your starting base.
A direct result of men chasing numbers me thinks.

Alot of them boys have been sheltered the past couple of years from the realities of their system with high milk prices and relatively low concentrate prices, the craps going to hit the fan big time come autumn up their when they start calving down cows and start to do the sums when the high pr concentrates needed to balance their winter diets are running above 25 pence kg dm with milk sub 20.....
Does be amazing when visiting these places even in the middle of summer with whole herds housed including calves maidens and dry cows and their utter refusal to put them out to grass

AntrimGlens · 12-06-2015 11:35AM

jaymla627 wrote: »

Alot of them boys have been sheltered the past couple of years from the realities of their system with high milk prices and relatively low concentrate prices, the craps going to hit the fan big time come autumn up their when they start calving down cows and start to do the sums when the high pr concentrates needed to balance their winter diets are running above 25 pence kg dm with milk sub 20.....
Does be amazing when visiting these places even in the middle of summer with whole herds housed including calves maidens and dry cows and their utter refusal to put them out to grass

There's at least three men who had installed robots (1 man had 2 and the other had 5 that are being dispersed here in the next month or so. I think the servicing costs and maintenance contracts just sent them over the edge, and theres a lot more dairy herds that the auctioneers have ready to sell only they don't want to flood the market and scare the bejaysus out of everyone. :eek:
I've heard of a few men who aren't even making silage this year, planning to sell the cows in the autumn.

awaywithyou · 12-06-2015 11:47AM

AntrimGlens wrote: »

There's at least three men who had installed robots (1 man had 2 and the other had 5 that are being dispersed here in the next month or so. I think the servicing costs and maintenance contracts just sent them over the edge, and theres a lot more dairy herds that the auctioneers have ready to sell only they don't want to flood the market and scare the bejaysus out of everyone. :eek:
I've heard of a few men who aren't even making silage this year, planning to sell the cows in the autumn.

that kind of talk goes on everywhere every yr the price of milk is poor..... and there will be lads getting out every yr no matter what the milk price is.... just in a yr like this its blown out of all proportion

do agree on robots tho.. they aint all they cracked up to be...

kowtow · 12-06-2015 01:01PM

What is significant about those figures is the relationship between the average milk price for the year and the full economic cost of production.

What they tell us is that even in a peak milk price year like last year, the "income line" ... the point at which farmers made a rational economic return in the form of wages & rent equivalent for their own land fell somewhere below the top 25% of farmers in the sample. In a peak milk price year a fair % of farmers could be said to have scraped by.

At the other end of the spectrum, the top 25% can be seen to be putting away a buffer profit, even after their wages & their own land are compensated.

I suspect that if we costed Irish production honestly, taking into account the rent equivalent for own land, average yield etc., we might be surprised at how similar business performance actually is both sides of the border, regardless of the system employed. The bottom 25-50% in Ireland just as in the UK will be hanging on in a good year, and pulling out (or turning their inherited equity into debt) when prices become unbearable. That is reassuring, because it is precisely how one would expect a free market to work.

For all the talk about systems, the variable cost advantage we think we have is a Chimera, because it will be capitalised into increased land costs.

* It's also worthwhile remembering that although we grow a lot of cheapish grass, almost everything else in this country from polo mints to Prime Ministers cost a good deal more than they do elsewhere. In 2014 for example it took 97 Irish cows to pay Enda Kenny's salary, but only 59 English cows to pay David Cameron's.

Buford T. Justice XIX · 12-06-2015 03:39PM

kowtow wrote: »

What is significant about those figures is the relationship between the average milk price for the year and the full economic cost of production.

What they tell us is that even in a peak milk price year like last year, the "income line" ... the point at which farmers made a rational economic return in the form of wages & rent equivalent for their own land fell somewhere below the top 25% of farmers in the sample. In a peak milk price year a fair % of farmers could be said to have scraped by.

At the other end of the spectrum, the top 25% can be seen to be putting away a buffer profit, even after their wages & their own land are compensated.

I suspect that if we costed Irish production honestly, taking into account the rent equivalent for own land, average yield etc., we might be surprised at how similar business performance actually is both sides of the border, regardless of the system employed. The bottom 25-50% in Ireland just as in the UK will be hanging on in a good year, and pulling out (or turning their inherited equity into debt) when prices become unbearable. That is reassuring, because it is precisely how one would expect a free market to work.

For all the talk about systems, the variable cost advantage we think we have is a Chimera, because it will be capitalised into increased land costs.

* It's also worthwhile remembering that although we grow a lot of cheapish grass, almost everything else in this country from polo mints to Prime Ministers cost a good deal more than they do elsewhere. In 2014 for example it took 97 Irish cows to pay Enda Kenny's salary, but only 59 English cows to pay David Cameron's.

In the spirit of talking about the true cost, Cameron had accommodation included as part of his package while Kenny didn't:pac:

Pacoa · 12-06-2015 08:25PM

Re the robots being thrown out up north, there's a farm not too far from me that put in 2 robots last year and they're currently building for a third one so they can't be all bad. This farm is grazing with them.

kowtow · 12-06-2015 09:56PM

Buford T. Justice V wrote: »

In the spirit of talking about the true cost, Cameron had accommodation included as part of his package while Kenny didn't:pac:

True, I hadn't thought to include that although I think there is or was an unused Taoiseach residence (Stewards Lodge?) and indeed Cameron didn't use the small flat at Downing St for a good while after taking office in 2010. In any case both of them receive accommodation allowances of one sort or another.

At the other end of the spectrum altogether the milk from an Irish cow in 2014 would have bought 219 hours work at the minimum wage, whilst the milk from an English cow would have bought 356 hours.

I hate the word "sustainable" .. but to the extent that we mean "economically sustainable" I suspect that despite the differing systems the UK and Ireland will each have a similar proportion of winners or losers in each cycle before my generation has hung up it's boots.

frazzledhome · 12-06-2015 11:21PM

Sent a guy spraying under wires this morning. He went one direction I went the other on the quad. Brand new 3 nozzle boom fitted to Kobuta atv, 100m boom in shyte.

Let him off with jeep to move heifers after dinner and he returned with the back side panel of my pickup in shyte. Wasn't quick enough to open gap and heifers chasing after him. Pulled up and they ploughed into him.

Ffs, lads saying you shouldn't be doing the €10/hr work yourself.......my hole

Blackgrass · 13-06-2015 03:12AM

frazzledhome wrote: »

Sent a guy spraying under wires this morning. He went one direction I went the other on the quad. Brand new 3 nozzle boom fitted to Kobuta atv, 100m boom in shyte.

Let him off with jeep to move heifers after dinner and he returned with the back side panel of my pickup in shyte. Wasn't quick enough to open gap and heifers chasing after him. Pulled up and they ploughed into him.

Ffs, lads saying you shouldn't be doing the €10/hr work yourself.......my hole

I presume he was told he best go home?

jaymla627 · 13-06-2015 07:47AM

frazzledhome wrote: »

Sent a guy spraying under wires this morning. He went one direction I went the other on the quad. Brand new 3 nozzle boom fitted to Kobuta atv, 100m boom in shyte.

Let him off with jeep to move heifers after dinner and he returned with the back side panel of my pickup in shyte. Wasn't quick enough to open gap and heifers chasing after him. Pulled up and they ploughed into him.

Ffs, lads saying you shouldn't be doing the €10/hr work yourself.......my hole

Had a young lad in who used to do a bit of tractor work for us came back from spreading slurry saying tractor was beeping and was stalling, pipe for opening ram had burst and your lad had the f**king thing in constant pumping never copped either, took 100 litres of oil to top tractor back up luckily pumps where okay you'd wonder sometimes agriculture dosent attract the brightest sparks at the best of times and with the price of machinery/mess ups milking a few mistakes by employees end up costing thousands

kevthegaff · 13-06-2015 08:16AM

Difference is we get our mistakes out of the way in our teenage years, we have a ten year start. You will always know separating cattle the persons experience

Greengrass1 · 13-06-2015 08:56AM

frazzledhome wrote: »

Sent a guy spraying under wires this morning. He went one direction I went the other on the quad. Brand new 3 nozzle boom fitted to Kobuta atv, 100m boom in shyte.

Let him off with jeep to move heifers after dinner and he returned with the back side panel of my pickup in shyte. Wasn't quick enough to open gap and heifers chasing after him. Pulled up and they ploughed into him.

Ffs, lads saying you shouldn't be doing the €10/hr work yourself.......my hole

What was he doing with jeep moving heifers?
We don't go near any stock with jeep. Walk down and open the gaps and they'll come flying out the gap to ye

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