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Cyclists should do a theory test!

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  • #422
    tipparetops
    Closed Accounts Posts: 519 ✭✭✭tipparetops


    rubadub wrote: »
    Not sure why you single out cyclists, I imagine most adults without bikes will also instruct their kids to illegally cycle on the path for their own safety. Then some of these hypocritical cunts will moan about people cycling on footpaths.

    first off, language like that is a disgrace, COP onto yourself.

    Secondly, I am pointing out a few home truths that cyclists never discuss as they have no answers, all they do is deflect.
    If you choose to cycle on a road, or encourage others to do so and there is a serious ACCIDENT, than you must accept responsibility.
    It was YOUR Decision.


  • #423
    ThisRegard
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    tipparetops wrote: »
    I have no problem with that, I am pointing out that only a mental case would let their child cycle on the road unaccompanied.
    Cycling is dangerous, the reasons do not matter, it just is.
    Cyclists know this and take their chances, but cyclists will not let their own children take that chance.

    Statistically it's far from dangerous.


  • #424
    Spook_ie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,896 ✭✭✭✭Spook_ie


    ThisRegard wrote: »
    Isn't your motor tax, as a taxi driver, subsidised by everyone else?

    No my motortax is set at a rate that the exchequer set, probably a historical thing that allowed the pre dereg drivers to put the big engined Mercedes etc onto the roads, if I recall correctly there used to be a minimum engine size for taxis to prevent people using inappropriate sized engines like those in a 998 cc Micra, so therefore the tax was less.


  • #425
    Spook_ie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,896 ✭✭✭✭Spook_ie


    RainyDay wrote: »
    How did you manage to work out that it was the motor tax that was paid back out to local authorities for roads? Why would it not have been (for the sake of argument) the income tax of cyclists that was paid back out to local authorities for roads? Do you have some way of tracking the money once it gets paid into the central account?


    It's really funny again how you pontificate about 'most reasonable road users' and then you exclude cars from that group. So car drivers are not 'reasonable road users'? Or is there some other reason why you expect cyclists to pull over for buses, but not cars?

    Because the dept of environment receive in the motor tax and pay it back out in the form of LGA, it never went into central exchequer like income tax


  • #426
    wtlltw
    Closed Accounts Posts: 350 ✭✭wtlltw


    Pinch Flat wrote: »
    Cycling is not dangerous. Drivers kill cyclists. Have you paused to think why it is perceived that cycling is dangerous?

    Sometimes it's the wrong actions of cyclists, drivers and pedestrians that end up getting themselves injured or sadly killed.

    This morning, I watched in amazement a father cycling to the middle of a busy road while his very young kids (6 maybe 7) attempted to pedal behind him (very wobbly). He started roaring and shouting at the passing cars because they didn't stop and let him cross. There are set of traffic lights were about 500 yards up the road but he seemed like he couldn't be arsed to head up to them. This is a very busy road for through traffic in the morning and the guy pulls the same stunt every day sadly.


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  • #427
    tipparetops
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    ThisRegard wrote: »
    Statistically it's far from dangerous.

    Than why do children cycle on footpaths?
    Do not dodge the question.


  • #428
    ThisRegard
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    Spook_ie wrote: »
    , I have said that if cyclists were to pay something, then motorists wouldn't be able to throw the old chestnut of "I pay roadtax" into any arguments, a win for the cyclists

    Really, cyclists paying what is basically an idiot appeasal tax come out as winners?


  • #429
    tipparetops
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    wtlltw wrote: »
    Sometimes it's the wrong actions of cyclists, drivers and pedestrians that end up getting themselves injured or sadly killed.

    This morning, I watched in amazement a father cycling to the middle of a busy road while his very young kids (6 maybe 7) attempted to pedal behind him (very wobbly). He started roaring and shouting at the passing cars because they didn't stop and let him cross. There are set of traffic lights were about 500 yards up the road but he seemed like he couldn't be arsed to head up to them. This is a very busy road for through traffic in the morning and the guy pulls the same stunt every day sadly.

    sounds like a lunatic, yet if he or his children were hit, the driver would be to blame.
    Someone has to pay, and only the driver has insurance.


  • #430
    rubadub
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,388 ✭✭✭✭rubadub


    tipparetops wrote: »
    first off, language like that is a disgrace, COP onto yourself..
    awwww, poor petal, you're on the internet you know the risks, you have only yourself to blame.
    tipparetops wrote: »
    Secondly, I am pointing out a few home truths that cyclists never discuss as they have no answers, all they do is deflect.
    the same "home truths" could be said about numerous activities. People could just as easily say only a mental case would let their child play football, or play outside on their own.
    tipparetops wrote: »
    Than why do children cycle on footpaths?
    Do not dodge the question.
    because their parents tell them to for their own safety. Whether the parents own bikes or not.


  • #431
    ThisRegard
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    tipparetops wrote: »
    .
    If you choose to cycle on a road, or encourage others to do so and there is a serious ACCIDENT, than you must accept responsibility.
    It was YOUR Decision.

    The insanely idiotic posts just keep coming. Just go the full hog and tell people never to leave their house. God knows what could happen.


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  • #432
    Pinch Flat
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,780 ✭✭✭Pinch Flat


    KwackerJack wrote: »
    Seen one on Sunday afternoon swaying all over the road. Passed him out only to see him chatting on the phone!

    Bloody idiot

    Was that a cyclist or a driver? I passed a fella last week on the quays with a newspaper spread across the steering wheel. Catching up with the news while stuck in traffic - who said men can't multi task?


  • #433
    ThisRegard
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    Spook_ie wrote: »
    No my motortax is set at a rate that the exchequer set, probably a historical thing that allowed the pre dereg drivers to put the big engined Mercedes etc onto the roads, if I recall correctly there used to be a minimum engine size for taxis to prevent people using inappropriate sized engines like those in a 998 cc Micra, so therefore the tax was less.

    You use the roads more and pay less to do so. Can't wait to see the appropriate rates for you guys under your new scheme.


  • #434
    ThisRegard
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    tipparetops wrote: »
    Than why do children cycle on footpaths?
    Do not dodge the question.

    What world do you live in where kids don't cycle on roads?


  • #435
    steamengine
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    RainyDay wrote: »

    It's really funny again how you pontificate about 'most reasonable road users' and then you exclude cars from that group. So car drivers are not 'reasonable road users'? Or is there some other reason why you expect cyclists to pull over for buses, but not cars?

    I've already explained about the cars, now for the third time, they are already held up, by virtue of not being allowed to use bus lanes. Got it ?

    Cars are very reasonable road users, far too reasonable IMO. I really can't explain it any more to you.

    A cyclist who holds up the progress of a full bus at rush hour by blocking a bus lane is not being reasonable, and out of courtesy, not any legal obligation, should let it pass. Cyclists are classed as drivers of their vehicles and the following is from the ROR
    Avoid driving too slowly
    In normal road and traffic conditions, safely keep up with the pace of the traffic
    flow while obeying the speed limit. While you must keep a safe distance away
    from the vehicle in front, you should not drive so slowly that your vehicle
    unnecessarily blocks other road users.     If you drive too slowly, you risk frustrating
    other drivers, which could lead to dangerous overtaking. However, remember:
    you must not drive at a speed at which you cannot stop the vehicle within the
    distance you can see to be clear ahead.


  • #436
    tipparetops
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    rubadub wrote: »
    awwww, poor petal, you're on the internet you know the risks, you have only yourself to blame.


    the same "home truths" could be said about numerous activities. People could just as easily say only a mental case would let their child play football, or play outside on their own.

    hard to believe your a MOD, but I better be careful what I say to you. MODs like you are a simple, vengeful crowd.

    People must accept their life decisions. If you choose to cycle and are involved in an accident, blame yourself. It was your decision.


  • #437
    ballyharpat
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,856 ✭✭✭ballyharpat


    this has gone off the rails, it is the kind of insane points that would be spoken in a bar after some idiot has had a few too many, and complains about guys cycling. Thing is, cyclists are keeping down health insurance, costing the health service less, and also not traffic, everyone in a car is 'traffic, if they all rode bikes, how much 'traffic' would there be-unfollow this insanity….


  • #438
    tipparetops
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    ThisRegard wrote: »
    What world do you live in where kids don't cycle on roads?

    Ireland, not fantasy land/Dublin like yourself.
    Cyclists must own the fact that they are accountable for their decisions.


  • #439
    316
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    They should do a practical cycling test too.


  • #440
    tipparetops
    Closed Accounts Posts: 519 ✭✭✭tipparetops


    ballyharpat wrote: »
    this has gone off the rails, it is the kind of insane points that would be spoken in a bar after some idiot has had a few too many, and complains about guys cycling. Thing is, cyclists are keeping down health insurance, costing the health service less, and also not traffic, everyone in a car is 'traffic, if they all rode bikes, how much 'traffic' would there be-unfollow this insanity….

    how very condescending of you, if you do not want to read this stuff, jog on.
    :D


  • #441
    ThisRegard
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    tipparetops wrote: »
    Ireland, not fantasy land/Dublin like yourself.
    Cyclists must own the fact that they are accountable for their decisions.

    It's scary that you share the roads with people.

    Your demented logic would also imply that if you were in a road accident, no matter the cause, it's solely your fault for getting in a car in the first place.


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  • #442
    ThisRegard
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    tipparetops wrote: »
    how very condescending of you, if you do not want to read this stuff, jog on.
    :D
    Says the person outrageously offended by bad language.


  • #443
    tipparetops
    Closed Accounts Posts: 519 ✭✭✭tipparetops


    ThisRegard wrote: »
    It's scary that you share the roads with people.

    Your demented logic would also imply that if you were in a road accident, no matter the cause, it's solely your fault for getting in a car in the first place.

    I drive sensibly, I am watchful for other vehicles. I am always wary.
    But accidents are accidents, there is no blame.
    They are not called on purposes.

    We all take chances every day, accept this.
    Cyclists take their chance sitting on a push bike, I am all about accepting ones decisions.


  • #444
    ThisRegard
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    They aren't actually called accidents by the emergency services either.

    But at least you're coming around to your issues not being specific to someone who cycles a bike but to everyone who gets out of bed.


  • #445
    tipparetops
    Closed Accounts Posts: 519 ✭✭✭tipparetops


    ThisRegard wrote: »
    Says the person outrageously offended by bad language.

    where did I use bad language?
    I know you are all buddies on your little cycle forum, but please do not lie again.


  • #446
    kerry4sam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,127 ✭✭✭✭kerry4sam


    lickme wrote: »
    A lot of cyclists have no concept of the rules of the road and are getting more and more agressive. There acting like they have the right of way the whole time, weaving in and out of traffic, breaking red lights, not adhering and not looking for possible dangers ahead. Stricter and harsher penalties are needed for them. A piece of advice playing chicken with cars will not work well in the long run for ye. Should be made do some sort of simulation test or something. They are some decent cyclists but most are idiots.

    Theory Test won't solve this problem & yes it is a problem. I've passed my theory test for the Motorbike. The only reason I passed the theory test for the motorbike is from knowing the ROTR. I can honestly say I have no business what-so-ever near a motorbike. I know nothing about them not even the basics on safety. I will need to do my IBT (Initial Basic Training) before I'll feel any way ready to go near one.

    The one and only time I was thrown off my bike that resulted in a back injury (which could've been worse as my helmet cracked from the impact of the my head hit the tarmac road) was a result of a driver (delivery driver btw) not looking right and driving straight out onto the main road that I was on, after only looking left (that he admitted at the scene).

    Theory Test won't solve this problem. Education on Road Safety needs to start at a younger age. Sur they only started incl the driver training for the Guards in very recent time. Their are actually Guards driving today with no driver training, driving at speed, through volumes of traffic & pedestrians with no training course done. It beggers belief how more accidents are not caused as a result.

    We do have a problem with the way Road Safety is taught ; with the way those occupy our roads have been given access ; with the way more is not being done to Educate & Highlight in general eventualities when taking to the roads.

    Just don't think myself that having Cyclists undertake a theory test in it's current form would solve anything.
    kerry4sam


  • #447
    316
    Closed Accounts Posts: 243 ✭✭316


    ThisRegard wrote: »
    They aren't actually called accidents by the emergency services either.

    No one goes on the road in the morning with intent of causing a collision.


  • #448
    ThisRegard
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    tipparetops wrote: »
    where did I use bad language?
    I know you are all buddies on your little cycle forum, but please do not lie again.

    Comprehension is not your forte either.


  • #449
    ThisRegard
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    316 wrote: »
    No one goes on the road in the morning with intent of causing a collision.

    People do.


  • #450
    steamengine
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    ballyharpat wrote: »
    this has gone off the rails, it is the kind of insane points that would be spoken in a bar after some idiot has had a few too many, and complains about guys cycling. Thing is, cyclists are keeping down health insurance, costing the health service less, and also not traffic, everyone in a car is 'traffic, if they all rode bikes, how much 'traffic' would there be-unfollow this insanity….

    Just imagine the footprint of one packed double decker bus compared to 70 bicycles which require a 3 ft clearance all around for safe cycling.

    Health doesn't come into it, you can work out down the gym.

    If I had to go to Cork right now my car is a few feet away, and my bike is as useless as tits on a bull.

    For the majority of people, bikes are fine for commuting and leisure but not a lot else.


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  • #451
    Spook_ie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,896 ✭✭✭✭Spook_ie


    ThisRegard wrote: »
    Really, cyclists paying what is basically an idiot appeasal tax come out as winners?


    No cyclists contributing to the facilities they use as cyclists, sort of like motorists contributing via motor tax, fuel tax, VRT etc for the facilities they use. Which has the added benefit of repudiating the motorists "I pay road tax, you don't " argument


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