Cork GAA Discussion Thread

O Riain wrote: »

Can I just say, well done to cork for the makings of a very good game. I do hope ye come back and that we meet again.

Second of all to thinkstoolittle can I just say you got your come upance today. I hope that "JBM was keeping his cards close to his chest" smirk is well and truly wiped off your face.

Sincerely, Good luck to cork in the rest of the championship and I do hope we meet again for another cracker.

No need to speak about one of Corks greatest most informed and most passionate supporters like that.Show a little class and humility.

First of all congrats to Waterford. They were full value for their win and cut through the cork defence at ease. The marking and tracking of runners by Cork was embarassing. "Heartless" i heard being used as i was leaving the game. The game itself was of no benefit to Waterford with us missing so many key players and i'd say Waterford wont have learnt much but was good for their younger players to feel and win in championship while using some of their bench.

TTM has been calling for Hoggy to be dropped for a while now and i have to agree with him. He didnt seem at all interested in chasing fellas or hooking or blocking. He went up for a high ball with a one handed hurley in the middle of a group of waterford players. One on one he would've brought it down for himself but in a group u have to be going up with conviction and grab that ball. I saw Luke's "altercation" and the waterford man went down very easy. A one handed push to the chest, as the two of them were holding onto each other. But if you put yourself in that position in front of the umpires you deserve to be sent off for stupidity alone.

Referee was terrible in general. Some awfully soft frees. Fair play to Patrick Cronin though. Showed great fight and heart all through. Much maligned over the past few years, his shooting was excellent yesterday. Likewise Alan Cadogan.

O Riain wrote: »

One handed push with the Hurley or his hand?

He put the hurley in his left hand just before he pushed him with the right. Two of them were around the square as the ball was being set up for the sideline cut.

http://www.eveningecho.ie/sport/two-jobs-will-shape-corks-hurling-future/
A good read two years ago before the all Ireland final
It shows to be correct
The minor they rectified but the under twenty one they made a mess of it as proven by the same minor management that was questions on results getting the under twenty one job


Louganne made a daming assement cork in Saturday paper ruthless cut throat stuff and he was spot on to be fair
He questions the management within reason and unlike tom Ryan who always has pop at jbm and will probably do so again and Ryan was no messiah himself with louganne you would respect he's view and he questions the cork board and clubs etc etc
But look it's like Xmas becoming an annual event but you can look forward to Xmas same realistic stuff is spoken year on year what needs to be done but nothing changes in cork hurling or football for that matter as the same mistakes are repeated by appointment managers with no proven records

http://www.eveningecho.ie/sport/dublin-away-would-be-a-tough-draw/


Dublin in parnell park in a Saturday evening would be a nightmare and croke park be fine but it wouldn't be there imo it be parnell park or wexford away be tough also
Don't be surprised with fate in how cunningham never got the cork job he knocked cork out of the championship


Dublin were destroyed Saturday but cunningham and coughlan only in job few months and trying incorporating the possession games away from the physical game daly had


Cunningham knows he needs to build a team and like callaghan Tracey dwyer are past it and were average at best and nothing great and dwyer be fair imo wouldn't have near a team in he's liable be sent off on any given day
Dublin under twenty one defeat was a huge blow to them but still few those got to minor all Ireland finals and likes of cronin kerry o connell and bolsnd offer them hope
Cunningham is trying to build something knew and himself and coughlan have proven experience so I wouldn't say Dublin are in dire trouble yet and I certainly wouldn't like play them in parnell back


If cork play there hurlers won't win the game in you need warriors and that rules out horgan


One key moments to highlight all that's wrong with him and to prove it's solely he's attuide is wrong
Ist ten minutes he broke through on goal and made an awful miss when cork had a free man
However I thought he was redeem himself as got great point and then he lost a ball but actually worked tirelessly to get it back and won a ball he'd no right to win and cork won a free
Cork were flying then and horgan to be fair offered hope of a changed attuide




But that's horgan for you like I said he's the cork Ronaldo all fine things going well
Soon as Waterford got a vice grip he didn't want to know
Lehane at least won a penalty and tried to change things
Horgan has this soccer type imo problems like some over hyped soccer players that walk around the ptich thinking their the bees knees when they don't performance the need is greatest
You see I said this before but horgan is not just to blame
He's faults with attuide are being nourished imo by management fail to drop him and the media with he's interview where all he does is the usual talk is imo not doing him favours
I don't blame the media as they have a job to do
I don't blame horgan as course he loves the opportunity
I blame jbm as he should say sorry now Patrick you have one and only focus this year on the field performance from play



The only way horgan will change is you drop him and when back doesn't take frees
And you tell him he's off interview and done enough he's time but like cronin taking captaincy off himself horgan needs one focus
This is not a dictator ship managing style all it is is doing the best for the team and horgan needs total focus on he's game
I read the media match report cork again Horgan was said to not step up to the mark but that was that



They stop short when surely on field play it's reasonable to say he's performance last year have been poor and should be dropped
Nobody calls a spade a spade in cork and those that do are seen as agenda driven yet baffling irony is these people then lament year after year cork still are off the pack in hurling yet pundits aren't ruthless enough to call spade a spade



There's a poor culture in cork gaa overall and it's all correlation to attuide cork accept mediocrity and anyone speaks out is accused the famous famous line it's personal it's agenda driven dint be too harsh, who are we to criticise when all were doing is judging performance on the field of play the same way kk and kerry do




I don't think people realise the bleak future if jbm goes ahead
There's is a worry some appalling candidates on record alone will get it yet well hear the nonsense he's the best man for it, record speaks for itself
O grady doesn't want management now and won't get it if he did
Pat mulchay hasn't a hope as there's still the contempt cork possession game is fault cork problems as anonymous person was quick to tell the paper two years ago so being a Newtown man he won't get it as newton are blamed for cork demise with the short game



There's a valid concerns pat kennelly could get it
As the board spin would be he captained cork, coached intermediate and minor and under twenty one teams
The pr spin and the board do well would be he's cork minors team pushed waterford extra time they won the all Ireland and that waterford team had five players yesterday so it be like kennelly came close, when the shambles to clare last year at under twenty one won't be mentioned at all at all


And if that did happen the pundits that are fast to lament the problem we have today and the club members when push comes to shove and if he or another unproven candidates got it would say nothing at all and not questions it just like what happened in the football so same old story happens again

The reason I mentioned cork football here is to show how we went from top four in football to now top eight can actually happen the hurling as it takes just one bad appointment


A radical overhaul is needed at board level bar a few good people there and a director hurling is needed but it won't happen
Cork are actually the Liverpool of hurling once great but now a minnows
Cork problems are actually easy to fix but it takes times and needs to start from the bottom up as no quick fix soultion but it won't happen


The gaa talk about the game there promoting etc
For the last ten years they turned a blind eye to cork problems and while yes it's up to cork to sort them surely it's clear as day the problems in cork won't be fixed with the same board there and Murphy was meant to be gone but got an extended contract
There should been a review of how cork are so bad


Cusack said all what was wrong with cork last August and fair enough he's no god and a self publist in some people eyes no can deny what he said was right
Landers said cusack had valid points but the timing was wrong
Again what do you do, you wait upon wait upon wait to call a spade a spade
There's never a right time to call a spade a spade
There's no sense balance in cork



Pro strikes fans tell you sean og halpin cusack and the rock should be the next senior set up
I'm huge fans of all but absolutely no way as they have no records and this is just repeating habits of old

The anti strike fans don't want anyone involved cork teams from that era
The strikes shouldn't have any relevance to things
All that matters is who is the best available candidates at a given time for cork
Some are still on both sides trying to score points imo from old scores relating to the strikes
Cork needs do read the book invictus and follow south Africa rugby twenty years ago where they united as one and they came together as a unit

There is Still huge divisions in cork hurling

TheNap wrote: »

Sorry but you should be hoping to get us in the qualifiers.

We are in turmoil.

All because of one man Ger Cunningham. Im not sure what sort of reputation he had in Cork but he is so out of his depth as manager of Dublin that it's gone beyond a farce.

Way too many things to mention that i wont even get started.

Ye dont know how lucjy ye are that he didnt get your managers job when he wanted it

Ah surely tell us what they are so we can say we agree or not
There's no real basis there what you say
That Dublin team was always going to be transition as I said last year that they outgrew daly so it's takes time to rebuild in Dublin are lot players past their peak
Cunningham has an outstanding record with coughlan so I tend to give lads with such benefit of the doubt
I'd gladly take cunningham in the morning
To say there's so many things wrong but you won't even start makes no sense
Surely it's easy to say what's wrong

thinkstoomuch1 wrote: »

Congratulations on your win
A person perception of fact in relation to a team etc can usually be derived from the logic he or she trys to use to prove he's or point
I hsve or never have a problem debating points through and through the only problem is and to be fair it's wasn't you but one poster trying to say I was wrong cork lost on post a month ago when I said all week cork would loose
I geuinely wasn't doing mind games but most with knowledge cork knew harnedy was never going to start and the talk is he's still a doubt for the qualifiers


Going back to the match it's give waterford breathing space as they can loose without the pressure the next day and while mcgrath fair enough and credit due wants to win every game imo winning munster will do them no great favours as momentum will be broken


Waterford have momentum now and imo should change the system for the munster final in we all know they can play a defence sweeper well but they have a golden chance to go orthodox and try few fringe lads with few changes and if they loose won't affect things hugely as there trying something new


They will need another game plan to win the all Ireland so not saying go to loose munster but it's clear their fitness is outstanding and imo very hard to peak in that regard all year so I'd taper things down for the munster final and use this golden opportunity to try more things


Yes winning a munster is seen as great but imo cork are limerick proof means nothing in all Ireland terms and if they play limerick I expect huge hunger and Waterford to win

There's an argument for tipperary winning munster in they actually need to avoid kk at all costs so imo tipp waterford final be better

Waterford have done well as the all Ireland series now starts
I think there's no way they could win league munster and all Ireland in same year
A loss in munster final while competitive showing up the faults the system still has imo be no bad thing for them at all at all

Waterford will need a plan b like any team that wants to play KK
The munster final is a huge opportunity to allow them try that with the comfort zone of a back door

What was impressed me yesterday was waterford when they were down never panicked and that's a good sign

This current crop of Waterford players have a new mindset now: go out and win every game you play. None of that nonsense, winning is a habit

I honestly believe Cork have the players. I've great respect for JBM but realy don't understand his tactics.

To be fair to the likes of Cadogan, Farrell and Lehane how much quality ball was sent their way? Walsh wasted several chances when the smart option would be to play it in front of Cadogan.

I thought we beat ye on the line via tactics. Cork dominated the first 20 mins and a better manager would have protected the full back line when saw Waterford were threatening more.

Looking back on the video again i though Cronin was terrific. Not only 5 points from play but set up other scores with intelligent ball.

Thought Murphy done well after 2 years out. Cahalane did give away a good few frees, but tbf I thought alot of the refs frees were soft.

Best of luck in the back door.

Cahalane needs to be given time to settle into full back.

This guy has the potential to be something special.

Full back is a specialist position where persistence from management is required.

Cahalane is the answer.

TheNap wrote: »

Excluding the fact that he has no hurling brain and refuses to ever do anything remotely tactically here are a few other issues

* Drops an All Star goalkeeper
* Plays an injured corner back
* Said corner back concedes 3 goals in the 1st 10 minutes
* Instead of taking him off he moves him wing back
* Puts a wing back corner back who has never played there
* Plays our best wing back at full back. He has never played there. Plays his club hurling midfield
* Plays an All Star centre back wing forward
* Plays a 33 year old short of pace in the most demanding position on the pitch at wing back
* Brings Paul Ryan on at half time . He does well , then takes him off again
* Brings on our 3rd choice goalkeeper for Paul Ryan
* Said goalkeeper has never even played a game outfield for his club
* Brings in a man from Kerry to the panel 2 weeks ago. He starts midfield 2 weeks later


They arent even the main issues but wont get into them on a public forum

in imo o connell is a fine hurler like brick and christy Walsh good former kerry hurlers

Dublin team couldn't stay as is the last four years when ye never moved on so he's got to try a new system and players are being adjusted
Next year I expect a massive cull from the current panel and likes dwyer Tracey wont be there
Rush has played in the forwards well before
I'd agree about playing wing back corner back that's all wrong and Paul Ryan scenario I agree was wrong

Looking at SG last night I got the impression no decision is made without going thru Dr Con.

TheNap wrote: »

The problem is he is not playing a system. Literally not tactics at all . I agree Dwyer will be gone. Once ye get us outside of Parnell Park ye will win.

Croke park yes but parnell park in a fight war of attrition I doubt it
Every team know to deprive cork of space and their beaten
A lot depends on lorcan and harnedy
Harnedy still a doubt for that game

Dot's and Tracey and dwyer and few more need to go
I'd keep at most nine that team

youngbob wrote: »

Looking at SG last night I got the impression no decision is made without going thru Dr Con.

That's just as normal as when hear the dallas music the old theme is asked again and again despite the answer know who shot Jr
Cork have problems but con great servant cork football medical wise and one of the best around has nothing do with the picking or selection team
Usual misplaced myths arise
Wait for it next some one will questions matthews training


Simple fact is it stops with jbm he's the man that's accountable
He doesn't like big physical players so he has matthews doing speed work mainly so not matthews fault in jbm lays down the type player he wants he trains on that basis
Like wise Dr con has no involvement with team selection


Problems with cork I said this long before yesterday is were carrying lads like Mccarthy lawton sullivan moylan etc who are not up to it and will kearney also and last year cian Mccarthy was carried and would be still there but for walking himself and cadogan and mow Murphy with out league games jumping in from the cold does moral no good and you have likes conor sullivan leaving and Egan never going come back as it's well known that he was unhappy he's commitment was questions last year and dropped then recall


How can you questions commitment and facilities dual players and cadogan no league games on subs v tipp stinks of irony be fair


Full back has been an issue for the last four years
Lads like lawton Stephen white Haughley moylan get loads of chances yet Michael sullivan and cronin get little like aidan Ryan or Anthony Spillane or colm Barry or even two years ago mick Walsh
Jbm is stuck on a certain type of players and it's not he's not ruthless he can be when he wants he just ruthless wrong players
How on earth lawton and kearney is on this panel above others is beyond belief imo
Lawton been around for a few years and failed to make an impact

Jbm said interview before game Mccarthy was playing well and likely be ist sub as training well
With greatest respect cork a b games are hardly great in such lack of depth a player could do well yet no where near inter county but does well in training as the guy marking him is just normal standard

Landers was rushed in and while he's potential he imo I fear could run before he walked
Pat mulchay was the man but you see there's a huge conflict interested in he favours the short game while jbm wants free style keep it moving
Gone are the days of great bertie troy hurling when motto was keen the ball moving at pace


With a sweeper it's about patience and composure and slow long build ups when needed
Hurling has essienally become a game of chess
Jbm wants to kill all the pawns so to speak as looks lovely with them all stacked by he's board and looks good but that no good when a grand master like cody has the game over in two moves by not going flash style but he's ruthless in he's execution



Game at any level is about tactics and you see it at harty cup and minor and even dean Ryan level commonly now
O grady said a month ago time for traditional hurling in cork is long long gone