Why is there sometimes snobbery towards IT's?

eternal · 08-06-2015 01:18AM

Some people are losers. They sweep the streets all day, other people are doctors and surgeons. Have you ever differentiated the level of conversation you would have with either person? One wants to talk about what Mary did last week in her underpants while the other is very polite and determined.

eternal · 08-06-2015 01:20AM

Darpa wrote: »

They are not a reliable measure of either of those things either. They measure how hard a person worked at a particular point in time, at a particular leaving cert subject. Nothing else.

That's crap. I did no work for my leaving and still got into college.

Darpa · 08-06-2015 01:20AM

eternal wrote: »

Some people are losers. They sweep the streets all day, other people are doctors and surgeons. Have you ever differentiated the level of conversation you would have with either person? One wants to talk about what Mary did last week in her underpants while the other is very polite and determined.

Well I'm not sure why Docs like Mary in her underpants, but whatever floats your boat.

Bridge93 · 08-06-2015 01:20AM

With the B&L example above I would be very confident in saying 95% if not closer to 100% of the students in UCD would have received more LC points. 18 year olds will hold points at the top of their reasons for choosing between two very similar courses. Especially when DIT and UCD are up the road from each so travelling will not come into it.
Hence in teens narrow minds this could lead to a sense of superiority or snobbery which is wrong.

Scirpt · 08-06-2015 01:21AM

alroley wrote: »

I did a course in LIT and my friend did the same one in UL. Both were 4 years long but I had way longer hours and actually did more modules than her. But of course my degree is considered not as good as hers by many

What courses were they?

Darpa · 08-06-2015 01:21AM

eternal wrote: »

That's crap. I did no work for my leaving and still got into college.

Pity, you could have done something better according to the points theory.

lickme · 08-06-2015 01:22AM

eternal wrote: »

Suitability though. But it helps to not be stupid.

You couldn't be more wrong. Try a Level 8 Electronic Engineering or Computer Science in an I.T and see how it compares to doing something like Business in Trinity. Person doing Business probably wouldn't get past the first year in the I.T!

eternal · 08-06-2015 01:23AM

Darpa wrote: »

Pity, you could have done something better according to the points theory.

Like what? I got into Uni. I got into an IT?

eternal · 08-06-2015 01:24AM

lickme wrote: »

You couldn't be more wrong. Try a Level 8 Electronic Engineering or Computer Science in an I.T and see how it compares to doing something like Business in Trinity. Person doing Business probably wouldn't get past the first year in the I.T!

Read the thread.

Bridge93 · 08-06-2015 01:24AM

lickme wrote: »

You couldn't be more wrong. Try a Level 8 Electronic Engineering or Computer Science in an I.T and see how it compares to doing something like Business in Trinity. Person doing Business probably wouldn't get past the first year in the I.T!

Probably because they have no interest in computer science or engineering more than anything else. If they did they most likely would have had it in ucd or wherever top of their CAO.

Hollister11 · 08-06-2015 01:27AM

I don't go to a uni or an IT. National college of Ireland

eternal · 08-06-2015 01:28AM

Hollister11 wrote: »

I don't go to a uni or an IT. National college of Ireland

UCC and NUIG are part of the NCOI?

Hollister11 · 08-06-2015 01:29AM

eternal wrote: »

UCC and NUIG are part of the NCOI?

What ?

eternal · 08-06-2015 01:33AM

Hollister11 wrote: »

What ?

Sorry, I made a mistake between national college and national university.

wat24 · 08-06-2015 02:03AM

I think a lot of the snobbery is due to the fact that years ago many people couldn't afford to go to university after school so people that did go were seen as being very well off and posh and that image seems to still exist. I was a student in UCC a few years back and the most common joke heard around at the time was 'ABC 123 now I can go to CIT' Ã°ÂŸÂ˜Â in turn the CIT students would say to us that we were posh and stuff like that all just slagging each other and having a laugh but some people seemed to genuinely believe the stereotypes.

wat24 · 08-06-2015 02:14AM

Although I have to say I'm from Waterford and I went to college in UCC to do nursing in 2008 because I wanted to move away for the college lifestyle. Points at the time for nursing in WIT were a good bit less than UCC but people to this day still ask me why I didn't go to WIT was it because I didn't have enough points for there that I had to go to Cork. So in many people's eyes I was seen as an underachiever for going to a university lol people just have set ideas on these things God knows where there get them from

kiwiq · 08-06-2015 02:28AM

I decided to do an IT degree in Tallaght over the universities while my mates did similar courses in the uni's. They all seemed a bit dismayed at the amount of hands on experience I acquired. I found employers very enthusiastic when they realised I had done my degree at IT Tallaght, so make of that what you will.

ThinkProgress · 08-06-2015 02:47AM

I chose a large university to study at because I wanted to feel the atmosphere mostly.

I just liked the idea of all the famous old alumni and well respected lecturers.

It helped because I think it inspired me to reach my potential. I'm not sure I would have been as motivated in a small IT.

(Not that I'm snobbish towards them. I've heard good things from people about them)

DiarmAFC · 08-06-2015 03:38AM

The best higher education institution in the world is an IT

Wompa1 · 08-06-2015 05:27AM

Most places don't give a rats @ss where you got your degree from. So any snobbery is pretty f'kin stupid. Don't worry about it. When reality sets in and life kicks those people around for a while, that mindset will be lost.

Also, those people will likely work with others from 'lesser' schools and get blown away by how much smarter, hard working and ambitious they are. (Obviously doesn't apply for all, but you can bet there will be some)

08-06-2015 08:12AM

The problem is that the IT's have moved away for what they were originally set up for which was to provide a good third level technical education not to be min universities, years ago IT's courses often finished with a diploma and people when to work and may or may not have gone on to degree level in the future.

If you looked at something like engineering you would have both technicians and engineers.

There is a very good article about over qualification in Saturdays Irish times something like 30% of Irish people are over qualified for the job they have.

There are probably too many people going to third level and too many people expecting IT's to provide them with a university type education.

08-06-2015 08:16AM

Wompa1 wrote: »

Most places don't give a rats @ss where you got your degree from. So any snobbery is pretty f'kin stupid. Don't worry about it. When reality sets in and life kicks those people around for a while, that mindset will be lost.

Also, those people will likely work with others from 'lesser' schools and get blown away by how much smarter, hard working and ambitious they are. (Obviously doesn't apply for all, but you can bet there will be some)

Yes but if you have a consultant engineers office you need both the technicians and the engineers to run the place.

padd b1975 · 08-06-2015 09:00AM

DiarmAFC wrote: »

The best higher education institution in the world is an IT

University Of Life.

08-06-2015 09:31AM

My brother went to a university for three years, but decided to finish his fourth year in an IT; he learned more in that one year than in his entire three years in the university, all down to the fact that in the IT, everything was far more practical based, whereas everything in the university was theory.

For the record - I went to an IT and loved it.

The J Stands for Jay · 08-06-2015 09:36AM

padd b1975 wrote: »

University Of Life.

Pffft, that's for losers, University of YouTube is where it's at.

Bubbaclaus · 08-06-2015 09:40AM

ITs are for the people that wear tracksuits even on days when they aren't engaging in sports.

razorblunt · 08-06-2015 09:41AM

I swapped a University for an IT after my first year as I didn't like the course and I preferred the one in the IT.
I had half a dozen friends and family telling me not to do it, "wasting your time", "CV will be thrown in the bin" and all that good stuff.
Went back to see my old Vice Principal as he was the man to know with regard to CAO form filling so I asked for a quick refresher, he was pure UCC head, used to still wear the tie to school, put my mind at ease and told me it's probably the best decision I'll ever make. He was right.

There definitely is some snobbery still around and I've overseen Graduate recruitment campaigns where someone's CV got binned as it came from a CIT, the numpty didn't realise my background. He found himself in a HR meeting later that week.

If you start applying for jobs in the UK they couldn't give a rats arse where you come from.

Eugene Norman · 08-06-2015 09:43AM

eternal wrote: »

Some people are losers. They sweep the streets all day, other people are doctors and surgeons. Have you ever differentiated the level of conversation you would have with either person? One wants to talk about what Mary did last week in her underpants while the other is very polite and determined.

True, The doctors and surgeons I know are definite gossips.

anncoates · 08-06-2015 09:44AM

I'm working in IT (software) for 14 years now. I honestly don't know where 99% of my colleagues went to college.

It's a first world concern for a certain age group.

The Corinthian · 08-06-2015 10:20AM

To begin with the universities are older and that will always attach a certain level of status to them.

Secondly, as someone already pointed out, IT's were not designed originally to be universities; they didn't award degrees and degrees are seen are worth more than diplomas (which they are because anyone can legally award a diploma).

Now they do, due to demand, although half the time, even then, the degree they award is via one of the universities.

Then entry requirements for IT's are lower than universities. You'd have to be an idiot to think this isn't going to have a baring on how they're viewed or that many go to IT's because they didn't get the points for a university.

And finally universities are better recognized abroad.

As a result, a sense of elitism from universities is inevitable - I'm surprised the OP even needed to ask the question.

Why is there sometimes snobbery towards IT's?

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