Cork GAA Discussion Thread

Orizio wrote: »

Talent isn't there, even if people don't want to admit it.

Talent hasn't been there for years, the All Ireland final Cork got to is being shown up for what it is, a fluke.

Underage is the only way to rebuild - and we have to question what exactly is happening to improve.

danganabu wrote: »

Cutbertt will surely have to walk after this shambles 😂

Don't know whether this is a wind up or not - Cuthbert is the football manager?

O Riain wrote: »

Can I just say, well done to cork for the makings of a very good game. I do hope ye come back and that we meet again.

Second of all to thinkstoolittle can I just say you got your come upance today. I hope that "JBM was keeping his cards close to his chest" smirk is well and truly wiped off your face.

Sincerely, Good luck to cork in the rest of the championship and I do hope we meet again for another cracker.

You got my name wrong but thanks all the same
No you are wrong but I respect your opinion as I was actually right and spot on cork would get better performance but as I said many times harnedy despite being named wouldn't start and cork would loose by a few points
Should been blown away but never gave up and Nash was brilliant

It's clear to see as sham said cork attuide much better league final however we had lorcan and harnedy then and both were out today

As I predicted all week long
Waterford congratulations and won but I don't them see as unbeatable as they struggled to finish cork off and this was a severe weakened cork team with out two starting half backs and course centre forward and defo allowing for Joyce lorcan and harnedy was almighty loss to cork defence thread bear defence so poor that jbm brings on o shea a midfielder or half forward over all defending subs before others it showed cork lack of depth

Jbm played system well ist half short possession game and cork link play but he made awful subs and lack them
Murphy was doing well and should stayed
Walsh was awful yet stayed on
Then luke done nothing and deserve to be send off yet sullivan came on too late

Jbm deserves critsom in he said he would act fast on the line when he didn't and Waterford leading actually made the ist sub
Mccarthy great club player but like I said not anywhere near inter county level yet Spillane can't make the panel and coughlan didn't get a game

He deserves critsom and cork hunger want better today than weeks ago and to be fair never gave up so attuide was very good
Cork will improve of harnedy and course lorcan are fit as huge huge additional to cork but full back huge huge problem and again like I said over and over again Mcdonnell not a full back and got cleaned for three goals in can't hold the line

Nash excellent
Murphy done well as he could but shouldn't started
Mcdonnell awful game as he's not full back but I exempt him from blame as management totally blame as cahalane should been three
O Neill good game but huge pressure from our the field
Cahalane fine game but should been inside and he's not as bad some think he is

Ellis outstanding what a hurler coveted every blade of grass and can't be faulted
Murphy played very well and should not been subbed
Kearney good game never gave up and awful he was subbed before Walsh
Walsh was very poor
Lehane worked hard and never gave up but no ball
Copper great game won lot of ball and got stuck in
I said before cronin was far from finished despite huge critsom and he was outstanding today
Farell was poor should be taken off at half time
Horgan same horgan brilliant from frees super penalty but bar one great point and worked hard ist twenty minutes he absolutely went missing again
Has to be dropped
Cadogan brilliant game when he got ball and a real threat

Cork will improve with lorcan and harnedy and today if fit would won as Waterford struggled put cork away but kk would decimate cork as we have no full back and too many lads living off reputation


Cork needs john cronin, coughlan Anthony Spillane, the nagle and aidan Ryan be getting games to really strengthen the team

Cork won't win an all Ireland but cork do good in the qualifiers depending on the draw
Waterford be fair have a system that works and showed attacking potential today but cork back line is poor overall and I still think kk or tipp would beat them
They should if there cute play lot fringe lads in munster final as winning munster is no benefit but just adds to the hype for them
There was immense pressure on them today huge and be fair they didn't bottle it but handled it well

Cork intermediate were excellent but waterford are poor and I was wrong in i felt they would be cork new team
Cork are in a munster final but I would fear tipperary who are very strong who may beat limerick
O Tuama was excellent and , Buckley made four brilliant saves. Collins was excellent and o dounoughe centre back with Tony Murphy doing very well and noel mcnamra also

I expected a performance and cork gave us that but jbm made some poor tactics decisions
Harnedy was a huge huge loss as cork cried out for leadership and we had none and he's worth at least on he's record a minimum two points per game and huge ball winning and work rate is irreplaceable for cork.

As for the point about the under age it's spot on and despite interview from coaching officer who makes good points and it has improved no end development squads need more money and the coaches at under age teams cork all grades still at times can be poor however the minor offer hope
I said this before unlikely cork win all Ireland before win minor or under twenty one all Ireland


Jbm will be questioned and rightly so but problem is no real options to replace him and as bad as it is it can get worse if previous under twenty one or minor management get the team imo

O Riain wrote: »

I got your name perfectly right and my issue with you is that you are a sore loser. Even when all around you were spotting major problems with JBM you were simply saying that we are just being shown up to be much better than we actually are. I'm not saying we'll win the AI or even Munster, I'll take every game as it comes but you simply couldn't just say "well done Waterford" that's my issue with you and its people like you that I love to beat. If those cork players on the field thought like you they'd lose every game they played so thank God they don't.

Wrong again that sorry to say I did congratulations to waterford like I said I would
I respect your right to your opinion

Avoided posting in this place for a bit because of the pettiness that seemed to be going on but I think we saw what many Cork people suspected. A Cork team that had plenty of heart and fight, but the tactics and players at our disposal were just not good enough.

Congrats to Waterford. There's the makings of a super team there.

Orizio wrote: »

Talent isn't there, even if people don't want to admit it.

Clean it out its been stale for years. No More jobs or places on teams for the well connected. Bring in the kids, Great progress in the Harty with Roco and the Ag we have the kids coming through, let them come through. Fresh view needed perhaps a coach outside the county required to get the talent through the many roadblocks.

Seriously, to say C Murphy had a good game? Completely at fault for a goal, Brian was much better. Shanahan destroyed McDonnell.

20 mins in and Cork were in trouble - JBM had 50 minutes in which to change the full back line, putting a sweeper back there to help or get the message on to play short ball, draw Waterford on and move again. One player doesn't make a team and the Cork lads playing have more experience than the Waterford lads, so it was utterly disappointing to see no leadership in this team. The likes of O Neill flaking the ball up into a packed Waterford defense - can the management not see it? It was commented more than once during that game today that JBM looked fired up - and when you are wasting energy on "being fired up" on the sideline, you don't see changes that need to be made. O Mahony should have been a huge loss for Waterford - but a full strength Waterford would have still beaten a full strength Cork side. It wasn't a performance by Cork, maybe for the first 20 minutes, but at no point during the second half could you say Cork dominated it, for a few minutes.

Hiding behind a severely weakened team is absolute rubbish - Cork simply don't have the players to compete at the moment. To replace three starters shouldn't be a huge issue if the panel is there. Waterford took their foot off the pedal in the last few minutes - and only for Nash making some super saves, it would most certainly have been a hammering. 14 wides Waterford had as well, so 22 scores, and 40 odd scoring chances.

Apparently Paudie came on, don't think he got a touch??

We don't have lads who can put their hand up and win aeriel ball, so bombing ball into the likes of Lehane, Cadogen and O Farrell just ain't going to work - where was the message at half time to stay playing the same as the first 20 minutes. It was also noted on the commentary early in the second half when Cork were a few points down that it looked like they were panicking, and thinking they needed goals. All they needed to do was go and pick off their points. The shooting and option taking at times for Cork was appalling, a complete lack of a gameplan or no trust in the gameplan JBM has, if there is one. For saying that Waterford weren't clinical, they took their goal chances when they came when they were on top - I'm struggling to think about one clear cut goal chance Cork got. When Cork were on top in the first 20 minutes, they needed a goal or two to put Waterford away, but where could you see it coming from?? All the forward line, bar Cronin went missing for long stretches of the game.

I fear for Cork in the qualifiers, really do.

seventh7 wrote:

Fresh view needed perhaps a coach outside the county required to get the talent through the many roadblocks.

And the dictatorship that has us in our current mess are going to do something like that?

commonsense. wrote: »

And the dictatorship that has us in our current mess are going to do something like that?

I'd agree with you

No need for outside coach and it's insult like ger cunningham o grady pat mulchay that we bring them in when they wouldn't get a sniff


Thankfully for once the white elephant and central mediocrity as cusack called it has one saving grace not a hope will money be spent on outside manager
Every cloud after all does have a silver lining thank god

Alf Tupper wrote: »

Have to say pleasantly surprised by Waterford's win, despite not playing our best, only for Anthony Nash, who was truly outstanding, we would have won by much more.

Now TTM, as to your above remark, all I can say is if my Aunt had balls....

Pa Cronin was your best player, delighted for him personally, for a lad who took so much criticism, he was the only Cork forward to show leadership and 5 points from centre forward is some total. I don't think Harnedy would have contributed more. So that negates that argument.

I still think Cork will re group and have a huge say in this championship.

We'll taking beating you twice but I hope to hell we don't have to see ye a third time. That would be just asking too much of us.

The best of luck for the rest of the championship.

Congratulations on the win and like wise to mountain lad
The only way we will meet again is the all Ireland final probably and I can't see either these two teams in it

When is the qualifiers draw?