Cork GAA Discussion Thread

cascade12 wrote: »

But that's January this is June so well unless I missed something lorcan or harnedy or Joyce were not injured then we're they

Yes, you did miss something. Fives, Daniels and Mahoney. Read my post again.

They're nothing say Fives or Daniels make waterford stronger what there now as sytem they have already makes defence compact
Mahony is a loss
Joyce and lorcan huge losses central aeras to cork

thinkstoomuch1 wrote: »

They're nothing say Fives or Daniels make waterford stronger what there now as sytem they have already makes defence compact
Mahony is a loss
Joyce and lorcan huge losses central aeras to cork

There most certainly is. Fives at Centre Back releases Gleeson to play in the forwards, his best position, something that will more than likely happen after Sunday. This will considerably strengthen Waterford. Take my word for it. Is there anything else I need to enlighten you on.

cascade12 wrote: »

There most certainly is. Fives at Centre Back releases Gleeson to play in the forwards, his best position, something that will more than likely happen after Sunday. This will considerably strengthen Waterford. Take my word for it. Is there anything else I need to enlighten you on.

I'd agree Gleeson is better forwards and I said that many times myself before
Mcgrath speak highly Gleeson centre back and I doubt he'll change him to be honest so now I'd disagree

thinkstoomuch1 wrote: »

I'd agree Gleeson is better forwards and I said that many times myself before
Mcgrath speak highly Gleeson centre back and I doubt he'll change him to be honest so now I'd disagree

Wrong again, trust me. You are taking one hell of an internet beating here.

Alf Tupper wrote: »

Thought I'd make a few amendments to your post in an effort to make you see how sad you are coming across...


"End of in fairness now look whatever you claim to know or don't imo well doesn't make a difference in course Cork under pressure sunday
Course they are
Loose and people will say well was this the real Waterford in may and Cork couldn't beat half fit Waterford so if get fully fit clare with same system but far more attacking elegance and cohesion and scoring power huge worries imo for them

If Cork are making progress and changing the legacy of their hurling as proclaimed then certainly this no pressure lark loosing sunday won't help that in if Cork are going to become great in the future they hsve to deal with expectation and realise championship is what counts always over the league
That's the bottom lime imo"

Have a read and a think.....

Changing my post edit style now be fair means your loosing your argument
I already asked you last night to stop get personal and you did be fair
Stick to the debate if your going to resort in off style stuff then I unfortunately can't debate with you to be fair now
Stick to the debate
I don't reedit your posts with respect

Alf Tupper wrote: »

Jesus wept, by the time of the throw in on Sunday you'll be trying to say Cork, with the one injury ye have, should be allowed play with Derry and Kerry in the Christy Brown Cup!!

Get a grip, you're totally insufferable at this stage!

With the greatest respect I'm on cork thread posting
If my posts are that bad you have the right to ignore them but you choose to come on here and debate them and to be fair I could ignore them but in fairness I debate every post
So please stop the personal stuff

If you find my posts that bad then we'll your pretty eager to comment on most to be fair now

The only person losing the argument here is you. You have not made any valid argument in reply to any of the Waterford posters, only the same unreadable nonsense about Cork injuries while ignoring the Waterford ones. I feel sorry for the genuine Cork posters coming on here, having to put up with your pathetic ramblings.

Great article by Enda McEvoy in the Examiner, basically saying what all fair minded people have been saying about tomorrow's game.

Pressure all on Cork.

http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/enda-mcevoy-it-is-not-an-equally-big-match-for-both-sides-cork-simply-have-to-win-334980.html

Straight Talker wrote: »

Yeah and were well able to handle pressure here in Cork of the champions after all.Were a Cork team and we fear no one.;) To be honest with you after that league final result i'd say the bookies have stopped taking money on Waterford winning.Realistically we'll be happy enough with a beating that isn't over 5 points and we'll take our chance in the qualifiers.

Nah, if that was the case Cork wouldn't be favourites with the bookies like ye are;)

Waterford in pure bonus territory for the rest of the season.

We might only get two games but sure it'll be still great experience for our youngsters.

Straight Talker wrote: »

But this Cork team is only average to good at best.Sure if you can't beat us with all our injuries then it's not a good sign.;) Anyway i have a feeling that you're only loitering around here trying to troll other posters so i'll leave you be.

Less of that old small talk now, and a bit more talk your username suggests.

No I don't belive everything I read and McEvoy new found love affair with Waterford and he's views I wouldn't get excited regards however he's good writer
You must remember he was praising waterford before the league and you see he saw a gap in the market in waterford the also so rans never won much, very very good teams that were that but never great so rather write about kk and tipp as their old stories and he uses laud cork two years ago waterford are the easy story write anything exciting and course he'll get most waterford lads to read as it's understandable that when team doesn't win much they cling to any old hype


I got to mention cork football as it's real example
Cork football traditional values like waterford means we often flatter to deceive so any triumph is blown out proption where kerry such traditional values winning they don't and they never get blown away with hype
Dublin used to but not any more under gavin and there the new kk of football


We has similar interview with christy o connor day after cuthbert git cork job saying he's new modern scientific manager cork craves, we had another article before league final by pundit cork new potent cocktail football and cork were not under huge pressure in performances would do

Suddenly cork lost everyone said it's disaster for cork
The irish examiner who made up of at least three kerry men in hennessy who top notch Cinnede and leen quick to tell cork fans what real gaa fans already knew cork huge problem
If you read articles before the game you say jesus our cocktail is potential good but on field play it was as weak as water



If waterford loose huge doubts remain as it's second time championship they lost again to cork row combines intermediate and under twenty one last year lot these players like cork young lads kerry football starting gain baggage like tipp when play KK so that's not a phenomenal easy rectified so waterford have to won



Loose and the league will be questioned in kilkenny weren't there and few teams suddenly say league wasn't their aim so poor championship two years row undrr mcgrath don't think Waterford fans on yere thread aren't fickle enough that suddenly rated him after huge doubts only months ago won't suddenly change again


Fact cork have two huge injury that were not mentioned here was not taken in to account so while huge loss would be disaster cork and could end jbm tern in he'd walk away imo once cork play system and ate competitve it's certainly room to improve once harnedy lorcan come back


Waterford loose and get clare in qualifier who have fit team and if they loose it won't mean mcgrath gets manager year
This talk if limerick if Galway if wexford a lot of if don't win all Ireland he wins manager year


Who actually gives a notification about such token award imo anyway
It's like Liverpool false dawns Brendan Rodgers picking up manager months award but big big games he fails and fails and fails
Now real Liverpool fans don't give monkeys about such awards where real manager is mourinho who wins league imo

Waterford won league eight years ago but outside waterford nobody rates that as Waterford expected get all Ireland final had disaster year when they bottled it v limerick as huge favourite and Waterford expected get there but didn't and you ask ken mcgrath mullane now league means nothing in significant to all Ireland medal


Poor championship and mcgrath and Waterford will be questioned
There's huge pressure on them tommorrow as cork hsve no full back corner back hasn't played two years centre back injured and centre forward struggle injury

This is a cork team there for the taking that most teams would beat tommorrow so I expect waterford to won by few points and loose and huge huge setback them

One point also it's well known from reading Mceoys articles he's never had a real love affair with cork
He's kilkenny man and imo always will tend be more appreciate to them and that's natural as kilkenny cork has a rivalry while no doubt kk are now the greatest
He's always had affection for Waterford and he knows the work the schools puts in etc
I wouldn't be honest expect him not to be leaning towards waterford and putting all the pressure on cork either


He's always been imo less as emphatic towards cork and tipp down the years compared to others
Like after tipp beaten by cork when many knew that time tipp were never up for it and it's been said afterwards he wrote I think for the Sunday tribunal at the time an article where he really tore in to tipp and said something along the lines let's play a game of tipps worst and most painful defeat ever
He had kind of imo said tipp were huge trouble and he questions sheedy
Now we all now how that turned out



My point is every journalist entitled to he's views but often you should try and see the angle there coming from
Imo to write off tipp afyee a game that they never up for despite brilliant year before he was imo seeing tipp as real threat to kk but decided to go deep in to their history mention previous bad defeats


He always says cork have to deliver also
Playing kk in league two years ago he said cork had to deliver and be different and while he was right imo from what I read he's articles when it comes to cork and tipp he'll hsve different level view that would others

Fair enough he's close to waterford but imo he knows waterford not winning much and with great glory under age in schools and minor that every fan wants a romantic story like donegal in football so yes he sees correctly and I said it before even huge potential waterford next few years win all Ireland so he'll take up their story as he knows it hot topic and fair enough I'd do the same


However imo where I disagree is while Waterford have credit due devoped a sytem and have potential the championship still has to be the ultimate test and Waterford were relegated last year and had awful championship and even allowing for the league win fact came out division two have been ahead other teams training since November and kk weren't played or clsre I just find it tad premature say waterford are real deal



This talk about process can give waterford breathing space imo is wrong when he said cork year two had to deliver and wrote off tipp practical afyee cork loss five years ago
Surely tipp having been unlucky with that all ireland final and some referee calls had right claim process after loose cork when there all ireland final display earned them that


Imo if waterford loose tommorrow fact will be league will be devalued so imo talk process takes pressure off them is wrong in huge pressure in the qualifiers and have no doubt imo loss tomorrow it's inevitable waterford will say was this the real cork we beat in may
Limerick we drew with and they weren't fully intensity up to mark and they started training after us due to the all Ireland semi final

Laois it's become clear have had inhouse problems
Galway are Galway with respect never know what to expect
Offaly and antrim are poor
Wexford are good to be fair imo
When you break it down with reason it's good but not great so lot answers still remain for Waterford starting tommorrow and imo there under huge pressure and just cause one journalist who I think is brilliant in some articles are top notch says waterford no pressure doesn't actually mean so as imo just he's perception of thought that I just imo would disagree with


Talks process all well and good but this is year two mcgrath term
Yes year two
He's championship has to be better than last year as if it's not then questions will be asked about the road ahead
If waterford have just average championship and dont make any big waves questions will be asked
So when do you say the process starts? and when do you questions results?
If this team is on upward graph as we're told top four has to be the aim with competitive all Ireland semi final

Year one building a team in ist year cork got to all Ireland. Semi final
Counihan second year cork got all ireland final in football and the semi the year before in year one
Clare made all Ireland win year two with Davy
Cunningham got Galway all Ireland final early he's term

Mcgrath is in he's second term and he's process started two years ago
It's reasonable to expect him and Waterford to deliver



How long he's travelled will be determined by the championship
To kill a mocking bird has been references many times regards mcgrath as he's a fan and I am too in its a wonderful book
People say that book was produced in year 1960 waterford had all Ireland could it mean correlation significant proportion



Imo no as yes cork football won all Ireland after twenty years anniversary but limerick didn't win in two years ago despite talk forty year anniversary bring them energy etc and jbm two years ago one cork writer naively said magic 99 was going be repeated simply as it was jbm and cork simply couldn't loose


I don't belive in these energy scources from thinks teams can't control
Winners control the controllables
Unfortunately cork case the limit control has been limited severely by injury to three central players and it's like trying to land a plane with no engine or some working like on river Hudson yes can and was done however the odds against doing it regularly are stacked against and cork could very well land tommorrow safe and sound on one those days but signs pre take off check list is one of turbulent stormy skies ahead and once cork don't get hammered and not crash totally in huge defeat I think we have the ability to repair for the qualifiers but all Ireland is far away

Win tommorrow gives cork breathing space as it allows non pressure munster final in injures players won't be risked and Murphy get game time with others as you loose you have least month to all Ireland quarter final imo

Rightwing wrote: »

A sign of inexperience. The biggest loss by a distance on Sunday is P O Mahony.

O Mahony is a big loss. If Harnedy has to go off in the first half because of his hamstring it will be a bigger loss. 1) Cork will have to use one of their subs.2) Waterford know O Mahony will not be starting, their replacement had time to get in the right frame of mind to start but for Harnedy to go off early could deflate this Cork team, even though they are Munster Champions