What's the largest animal you can moraly kill without retribution

Brancott · 03-06-2015 10:06am #1

Following on from the meat eating thread the question above popped into my mind.

We all kill insects daily & nobody bats an eyelid.
Neither does anyone object to the killing of rats & mice, they're accepted as vermin & we make traps to facilitate their death.
If I however attempted to kill a hamster or gerbil most people would be repulsed, cuddly pets it seems are not execution fodder.
I can however catch a 20lb salmon & knock it over the head or were I a farmer then a badger would be acceptable prey.
I realise that if I worked in an abattoir I could kill numerous half ton cows on a daily basis but that's too specialised for this discussion, I couldn't just walk into a field & shot one in the head with a crossbow & think nobody would raise an objection.

So, I can act out my bloodlust on a big fish & expect no comeback from most reasonable members of society.

Now I fully expect the "All god's creatures are sacred" wagon to come rolling in but I invite you to peddle that bullsh*t somewhere else.

If I pay to go shoot a giraffe in Africa should it be anyone's business ?

Gumbi · 03-06-2015 10:08am

What an arbitrary question.

I don't think it's size that's a factor for a lot of people, rather sentience.

Gumbi · 03-06-2015 10:08am

What an arbitrary question.

I don't think it's size that's a factor for a lot of people, rather sentience.

Kevhog1988 · 03-06-2015 10:09am

Crossbow is illegal in ireland.

I shoot, i fish and i hunt on horseback. I find nothing wrong with hunting once it is in a pest control basis or once you are going to eat it. I think endangered animals should definitely be protected. Wild boar or deer would be the biggest id go for if given the chance.

kneemos · 03-06-2015 10:10am

It's the pretty ones.
Kill all the Warthogs you like.

Saipanne · 03-06-2015 10:10am

What an arbitrary question.

I don't think it's size that's a factor for a lot of people, rather sentience.

The_Valeyard · 03-06-2015 10:10am

This like the South Park

"It's coming right at us approach"

Or like killing a cow for food is fine but killing an endangered Rhino for its horn to give you a super penis is wrong?

William F · 03-06-2015 10:11am

You have to kill it for a reason. The moral objection arises when you do it for the sake of killing.

namloc1980 · 03-06-2015 10:12am

What an arbitrary question.

I don't think it's size that's a factor for a lot of people, rather sentience.

mathie · 03-06-2015 10:12am

Gumbi wrote: »

What an arbitrary question.

I don't think it's size that's a factor for a lot of people, rather sentience.

Saipanne wrote: »

What an arbitrary question.

I don't think it's size that's a factor for a lot of people, rather sentience.

Why are you copying Gumbis sentiences?

traprunner · 03-06-2015 10:13am

I really want a certain poster from the other thread to post here!

The_Valeyard · 03-06-2015 10:13am

mathie wrote: »

Why are you copying Gumbis sentiences?

Bizzare approach indeed

jimmii · 03-06-2015 10:13am

I don't think it's size that's a factor for a lot of people, rather sentience.

What an arbitrary question.

03-06-2015 10:14am

theemigrant wrote: »

Crossbow is illegal in ireland.

I shoot, i fish and i hunt on horseback. I find nothing wrong with hunting once it is in a pest control basis or once you are going to eat it. I think endangered animals should definitely be protected. Wild boar or deer would be the biggest id go for if given the chance.

Well put especially this.
I too hunt however I can't stand lads who just shoot during the hunting season for no good reason...as in the "shoot everything that moves".

Then you ask the question "Well what are you going to do with that duck?"...
Answer = "Ah sure I will just chuck it in the bin".

If you're going to shoot the duck then gut it, pluck it and put it in the oven.

walkingshadow · 03-06-2015 10:14am

Human.

Saipanne · 03-06-2015 10:14am

mathie wrote: »

Why are you copying Gumbis sentiences?

What an arbitrary question.

I don't think it's size that's a factor for a lot of people, rather sentience

kneemos · 03-06-2015 10:17am

Saipanne wrote: »

What an arbitrary question.

I don't think it's size that's a factor for a lot of people, rather sentience

Keep your head down so.

Vandango · 03-06-2015 10:17am

mathie wrote: »

Why are you copying Gumbis sentiences?

Maybe they're talking to themselves...:pac:

Akrasia · 03-06-2015 10:19am

William F wrote: »

You have to kill it for a reason. The moral objection arises when you do it for the sake of killing.

+1

Its always wrong to gratuitously kill for no reason

I would object to someone just squishing ants for fun

I don't think it's morally right to take pleasure in the killing of any animal.

There is a massive massive gray area when it comes to what are justifiable reasons to kill an animal. We have all kinds of 'pest' animals that are harmless to us, but we kill because we don't like to have them around us. These are debatable on a case by case basis whether we should be expected to tolerate wildlife around us (eg, should you be able to disturb nesting birds because they are sh1tting on your car, probably not, should we kill sea eagles because they might hypothetically kill lifestock? definitely not)

jimmii · 03-06-2015 10:19am

Depends on the situation. If its an old school matter or survival or safety you gotta do what you gotta do. If its just for the craic then there really isn't any animal you should be doing that to.

PARlance · 03-06-2015 10:21am

I don't think it's a sizeable arbitrary question

03-06-2015 10:22am

Akrasia wrote: »

+1

Its always wrong to gratuitously kill for no reason

I would object to someone just squishing ants for fun

I don't think it's morally right to take pleasure in the killing of any animal.

There is a massive massive gray area when it comes to what are justifiable reasons to kill an animal. We have all kinds of 'pest' animals that are harmless to us, but we kill because we don't like to have them around us. These are debatable on a case by case basis whether we should be expected to tolerate wildlife around us (eg, should you be able to disturb nesting birds because they are sh1tting on your car, probably not, should we kill sea eagles because they might hypothetically kill lifestock? definitely not)

Pest control is somebody's job and it needs to be done.
As does Vermin control on farms and working in an abattoir.

All legitimate reasons and part of life.

The Backwards Man · 03-06-2015 10:22am

Size has fcuk all to do with it. If I had a choice between killing an elephant sized rat or a rat sized elephant I'd lay off the cheese before bedtime.

Drumpot · 03-06-2015 10:23am

A bank director?

Mister Vain · 03-06-2015 10:27am

You can kill them and eat them but you can't ride them.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bj0LZFNqxeE

Yellowblackbird · 03-06-2015 10:27am

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Sheep Lover · 03-06-2015 10:28am

PARlance wrote: »

I don't think it's a sizeable arbitrary question

What an arbitrary question.

I don't think it's size that's a factor for a lot of people, rather sentience.

SEPT 23 1989 · 03-06-2015 10:29am

I only kill the ones that annoy me

Zombienosh · 03-06-2015 10:29am

What an arbitrary arbitrary.

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what was the question?

The Backwards Man · 03-06-2015 10:30am

Hold yer whisht lads, yous wouldn't know what arbitrary was if it bit yous on the ass.

Sheep Lover · 03-06-2015 10:31am

The Backwards Man wrote: »

Hold yer whisht lads, yous wouldn't know what arbitrary was if it bit yous on the ass.

What an arbitrary question.

I don't think it's size that's a factor for a lot of people, rather sentience.

Tea 1000 · 03-06-2015 10:33am

The Backwards Man wrote: »

Hold yer whisht lads, yous wouldn't know what arbitrary was if it bit yous on the ass.

I'll arbitrary you in the face in a minute...

The Backwards Man · 03-06-2015 10:35am

Good job this was a crap enough thread to start with, because its fcuking destroyed now.

Hoop66 · 03-06-2015 10:36am

What if an animal was disrespecting you? Could you kill it then?

My cat is on thin ice...

Tea 1000 · 03-06-2015 10:38am

To answer the OP's question, I'm gonna go with blue whale. Hard to kill, but you won't get bigger than that! And no retribution because they're hard to find, so no one will see you.

Grayson · 03-06-2015 10:38am

The_Valeyard wrote: »

This like the South Park

"It's coming right at us approach"

Or like killing a cow for food is fine but killing an endangered Rhino for its horn to give you a super penis is wrong?

I think the important question is what type of super powers would my penis have?

Junkyard Tom · 03-06-2015 10:40am

I guess one of the largest beasts that humans killed back before the Pyramids were built would have been the Woolly Mammoth which was half Elephant and half dinosaur.

Yellowblackbird · 03-06-2015 10:41am

Tea 1000 wrote: »

I'll arbitrary you in the face in a minute...

Tis far from arbitrary you were raised Tea 1000

Sheep Lover · 03-06-2015 10:43am

Arbitrarily speaking, it's not the mass of the animal it's the sentience.

The Backwards Man · 03-06-2015 10:45am

Junkyard Cat wrote: »

I guess one of the largest beasts that humans killed back before the Pyramids were built would have been the Woolly Mammoth which was half Elephant and half dinosaur.

I take it you're taking the proverbial.:p Wooly mammoths were the same size as an elephant, still existed when the pyramids were being built and had no dinosaur in them at all at all.

Hasmunch · 03-06-2015 10:45am

Abattoirily speaking, all animals die

Kevhog1988 · 03-06-2015 10:47am

M!Ck^ wrote: »

Well put especially this.
I too hunt however I can't stand lads who just shoot during the hunting season for no good reason...as in the "shoot everything that moves".

Then you ask the question "Well what are you going to do with that duck?"...
Answer = "Ah sure I will just chuck it in the bin".

If you're going to shoot the duck then gut it, pluck it and put it in the oven.

I like to think im a hunter gatherer

Zillah · 03-06-2015 10:47am

Brancott wrote: »

We all kill insects daily

No we don't

I thinks it's nasty and pathetic when I see someone crush a spider. Why on Earth would you do that?

I've spent ten minutes before trying to shoo a fly out the window.

Tea 1000 · 03-06-2015 10:48am

Yellowblackbird wrote: »

Tis far from arbitrary you were raised Tea 1000

This arbitrary contest is over, give this man the trophy!

Brancott · 03-06-2015 10:48am

This raises are pertinent question, would it be OK to kill a T-Rex, they can't be sentient, not with those ****ty little arms & all.

Tea 1000 · 03-06-2015 10:50am

Zillah wrote: »

No we don't

I thinks it's nasty and pathetic when I see someone crush a spider. Why on Earth would you do that?

I've spent ten minutes before trying to shoo a fly out the window.

My front number plate looks like really effective fly paper in the summer time!

Yellowblackbird · 03-06-2015 10:51am

Tea 1000 wrote: »

This arbitrary contest is over, give this man the trophy!

Oh trophies is it? There's no arbitrary recession on your podium

Wang King · 03-06-2015 10:59am

Kangaroo clubbing is quite popular in Australia, bad way to go....off your tits on mmda

The_Valeyard · 03-06-2015 11:01am

Grayson wrote: »

I think the important question is what type of super powers would my penis have?

Either super stamina, multiple orgasms or extreme jizz. Like a lottery.

Mister Vain · 03-06-2015 11:02am

Zillah wrote: »

No we don't

I thinks it's nasty and pathetic when I see someone crush a spider. Why on Earth would you do that?

I've spent ten minutes before trying to shoo a fly out the window.

Only for it to fly into a spiders web moments later.

stateofflux · 03-06-2015 11:11am

Brancott wrote: »

This raises are pertinent question, would it be OK to kill a T-Rex, they can't be sentient, not with those ****ty little arms & all.

Definitely not. just get a dog collar and take him for a run in the park.

What's the largest animal you can moraly kill without retribution

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