Flightradar24 Thread Part II

Yep wind down to 24kts. Headwind 23krs crosswind 8 kts.

Oh well. November?

Carnacalla wrote: »

EI167 on approach to Dublin now from Shannon following an earlier diversion.

Followed now by FR72 from SNN-DUB (With, or without pax?)

FR72 SNN-DUB is, interestingly, listed on the FR website so that may well mean there are pax on it. It'd be a good tie to their new customer service bow if FR stopped the coach thing in case of diversion and guaranteed the planes would go again. I believe EZY will almost always fly them while EI and others are the same as FR with the buses.

homerjay2005 wrote: »

doesnt look like it, the return flight is cancelled. very very poor from Lufthansa, i am sure it wouldnt have hurt them to fly up, pick up the return passengers and get on to Munich a couple of hours late.

they have form for this sort of poor service.

To be fair a lot of airlines do the same. It seemed that FR used to do it as a matter of course but recently they seem to be flying people back when I've spotted diversions (in Ireland anyway). Aer Lingus almost always seem to bus people. easyJet seem the best at staying on the ground for a while then taking off again with pax as far as I can tell.

If there's a lufty flight to Frankfurt tonight from Dublin perhaps they'll be accommodated there

Deleted User wrote: »

Can I ask how they should have allowed for this ?

The shareholders could give up some of their profits if the airline can't get you from A to B if you ask me. But then I'm a raving hippy who doesn't believe in wealth creation :pac:

Deleted User wrote: »

Can I ask how they should have allowed for this ?

may I add here, im only exploring all possibilities here - the reality is that diverting to Dublin already fuelled, may have only "cost" them 45-60 mins to pick up passengers and theres a good chance they wouldnt have went out of hours on that leg, problems could have been at the end of the day which could be picked up by another crew in a better resourced Munich.

they could however factor in delays (weather warning was visible in ireland since yesterday morning) and had extra fuel on board...they diverted very very quickly once the second landing failed, which was only about 10 minutes after the first. they should have taken off from Munich aware of potential problems but it looks like they were not ready - Munich isnt exactly a long flight for a 321 to need to divert after 20 minutes.

i say this, as a person who missed an entire days worth of holidays lately and was stuck in Dublin for 7 hours, due to Lufthansa crew going out of hours by 10 minutes.

they diverted very very quickly once the second landing failed

Most airlines have that policy, so why hang around.

may have only "cost" them 45-60 mins to pick up passengers and theres a good chance they wouldnt have went out of hours on that leg,

Do you know if their FTL's are based on hours only or hours/sectors?

due to Lufthansa crew going out of hours by 10 minutes.

Illegal is illegal, 1 or 10 minutes.

While some on here love the idea of aircraft overshooting and diverting, the consequences on the passengers and crew are a PITA.

arubex wrote: »

At least under UK regs the Captain can make an exceptional decision to exceed flight hours if he feels circumstances warrant it. However it cannot be imposed by the airline, it has to be his decision.

I assume, though, it involves a stack of follow-up paperwork. I doubt many pilots would vountarily assume that burden when, frankly, they can just dump the passengers without repercussions.

FTL are derived from EU Ops sub part Q, they are the law in all EU countries not just one. National authorities may impose more stringent FTL's but they cannot exceed the above.

Your assumptions in the 2nd paragraph are completely wrong. The captains discretion report is a 1 page self populating form which is passed to the flight safety department and forwarded to the Authority if it is warranted. To suggest that the pilots would "just dump" pax so as not to fill some paperwork is idiotic and shows a basic lack of understanding of what the flight crews job entails.

Safety.

Growler!!! wrote: »

Your assumptions in the 2nd paragraph are completely wrong. The captains discretion report is a 1 page self populating form which is passed to the flight safety department and forwarded to the Authority if it is warranted.

Thank you for the correction, but the escalation path you outline still sounds to me like there are 'penalties' for such an action. Compared to the option of least resistance. But that's probably better continued in another thread, sorry for derailing this one.

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I notice that the Kelowna DC-10 freight service to Brussels didn't materialise today.

2 coastguard choppers off the coast of wales, something is going on.

looking for something along the coast and both flightpaths are relatively the same.