Nighttime Flight Paths over Dublin

coylemj · 27-05-2015 04:29PM

sdanseo wrote: »

I don't agree that a warning is of any use whatsoever. It's going to wake you or it isn't. Is every student and child in North Dublin going to be shipped to a relative on the southside because there may be some noise in the night?

No, of course not and I think most people don't have a problem with few planes flying overhead between 11 p.m. and midnight. I was out with binoculars the past two nights myself getting a close-up look, they were just below 4,000 feet according to Flightradar.

However in the early hours of Tuesday morning, two incoming EI transatlantic flights arrived between 4:15 and 4:30 a.m. and landed on 34, they would have caused considerable disturbance for light sleepers along the flight path. Flying into 28 means that there is significant less houses overflown and those that are are used to it.

LXFlyer · 27-05-2015 04:51PM

coylemj wrote: »

That may be on some database accessible by aviators but on Monday night I checked the Dublin Airport website and scanned back through their tweets - nothing about runway maintenance.

There is a box 'Latest News' on their web homepage where they may have posted similar notices in the past but there's nothing about this ....

http://www.dublinairport.com/gns/at-the-airport/latest-news.aspx

https://twitter.com/DublinAirport

I'm not particularly wound up about this but it does seem to have affected some people more than others - one guy who lives in D5 has been hammering the minister and the DAA about it on Twitter since Monday night.

That guy on twitter (@mcod80) really hasn't a leg to stand on.

He doesn't seem to realise that the airport is open 24 hours a day and that he lives under the flightpath of an active runway, which can be pressed into use at any time.

lambayire · 27-05-2015 04:56PM

I have to admit that, until recently, I did not realise that the airport was open 24 hours a day.

I queried (very nicely via email) with DAA about the Lufthansa flight that leaves at 5.20am or so.
I always thought that flights did not leave before 6am.

I got quite a snotty response from them.

mailforkev · 27-05-2015 05:04PM

ted1 wrote: »

Sunday's night search was for a extremely serious offence.

I was wondering what was going on there, could see it in the distance out the bedroom window for a good while.

Any chance you could tell us what it was? (I'm just being nosy so no worries if you can't say)

27-05-2015 05:11PM

lxflyer wrote: »

That guy on twitter (@mcod80) really hasn't a leg to stand on.

He doesn't seem to realise that the airport is open 24 hours a day and that he lives under the flightpath of an active runway, which can be pressed into use at any time.

Lad should try live in Myrtle lane near Heathrow ! Now that I imagine is noisy. But still I'd buy a house there, even though the last few that were for sale basically needed to be rebuilt.

imurdaddy · 27-05-2015 05:32PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Lad should try live in Myrtle lane near Heathrow ! Now that I imagine is noisy. But still I'd buy a house there, even though the last few that were for sale basically needed to be rebuilt.

A house by a busy runway would be a selling point for me

coylemj · 27-05-2015 05:48PM

More attic insulation is probably the solution.

27-05-2015 06:10PM

coylemj wrote: »

More attic insulation is probably the solution.

Has a negative effect as well, while good for sound and heat insulation it makes it a bitch during a very warm spell to cool a house down, yes I know rare but worth thinking about

FWVT · 27-05-2015 06:17PM

coylemj wrote: »

It is of concern to some people if two incoming transatlantic planes fly over their houses at 4:30 in the morning when they're not used to that level of noise, especially if it wakes young children or teenagers about to do exams.

If it's of no concern to you then maybe just don't participate in the thread, otherwise I suggest you let the mods decide what we can and can not discuss.

I find the dog next door barking the odd time at night very irritating. I should therefore send a complaint to Dogstrust. Two planes overfly some houses during a whole night. Maybe 40 seconds of noise in total. If people were already finding it hard to sleep at 4 am then I suggest that aircraft noise was not the cause.

And I will post what and where I like within the constraints of the forum charter, thank you. I wasn't aware of anyone deciding what topics we can and cannot discuss. If you have a problem with my post report it to a mod.

fr336 · 27-05-2015 06:25PM

I'd find the planes relaxing, no doubt if I were under a flightpath the same neighbours who would complain about it would be the same ones who bang their cardoors loudly at all hours and generally do as their please in the way of noise. There are plenty of houses in the world which aren't near an airport

billie1b · 27-05-2015 06:28PM

Ha ha, just had a great giggle at that door knob on twitter (mcodd) or whoever he is, what a complete bell end! I would have told him to f--k right off if I was in charge of the DAA twitter page.

Airport runway would also be a great selling point for me, Newtown cottages is where I wanna be at

fr336 · 27-05-2015 06:30PM

billie1b wrote: »

Ha ha, just had a great giggle at that door knob on twitter (mcodd) or whoever he is, what a complete bell end! I would have told him to f--k right off if I was in charge of the DAA twitter page.

Airport runway would also be a great selling point for me, Newtown cottages is where I wanna be at

We'll crowdfund you here, all we ask is that you set up a few top of the range webcams

27-05-2015 06:33PM

fr336 wrote: »

We'll crowdfund you here, all we ask is that you set up a few top of the range webcams

And here was me going to convert the attic and put a large balcony in my new Myrtle ave house for ya and all I needed to do was put a webcam in :rolleyes:

fr336 · 27-05-2015 06:36PM

Deleted User wrote: »

And here was me going to convert the attic and put a large balcony in my new Myrtle ave house for ya and all I needed to do was put a webcam in :rolleyes:

Ah given the choice it'd still be DUB all the way for me, but then Hounslow is a bit of a hole

smurfjed · 27-05-2015 06:57PM

While we have to accept that the airport was there before most of our houses and that it is a required part of our cities infrastructure, but there is nothing stopping Dublin airport from becoming a good neighbour. It would be easy with todays social media to tell people about the planned runway in use.

They could also implement a night time noise quota, QC system such as they have in Heathrow.

Nothing wrong with being a friendly airport.

There again they could also invite some Classic cargo B747's in at night, then agree to ban them to keep the neighbours happy

Calina · 27-05-2015 07:15PM

FWVT wrote: »

It's not on their website because resurfacing work on the runway during the night is of no concern to anyone except aviation professionals. It is not the first time this has happened. They do not have to send out tweets to people in Loughlinstown or wherever to tell them hey, we're changing runway.

There is no issue here.

There is an issue. I live in Dublin 9 and while I fully recognise that there are times 34 will be in use, I'd like it to be flagged on the airport's website so that I can be clear on how often or how long I have to listen to this. I don't mind it during the day but there are parts of Dublin 9 which are much closer to the airport than most of the residential areas in Portmarnock/Howth for example. The aircraft are much lower overhead.

This is actually quite disturbing late at night and it's particularly irritating before 5am. And it is definitely louder in Dublin 9 than in Howth or Portmarnock in my experience. I've lived in Portmarnock as well. I've also lived in Forrest Road in Swords and of all of them, it's probably been loudest there when 16 is used for landing.

It would be nice to get a warning for it for the simple reason that 16/34 is rarely used and so it is out of the ordinary for residents under the flightpath to it.

sdanseo wrote: »

Aircraft on final or short final to land are producing perhaps 35% of max power, they generate relatively little noise. This is significantly less of a concern than departing aircraft who on a much more regular basis fly over densely populated areas.

On balance, I find landing noise to be significantly louder than take off noise when 34 is used for landing and 16 for take off.

sdanseo wrote: »

I understand what you're saying about people who aren't used to the disturbance perhaps being more susceptible to it, and that's a fair point.

I don't agree that a warning is of any use whatsoever. It's going to wake you or it isn't. Is every student and child in North Dublin going to be shipped to a relative on the southside because there may be some noise in the night?

It's nice to know. Most people would like advance notice of matters which may discommode them, for example roadworks in the vicinity of where they live.

My past experience is that Dublin Airport has generally flagged periods of maintenance. The fact that they did not, on this occasion, is disappointing as it was fairly obvious that wind was not a factor.

I take photographs of low flying aircraft if it happens during the day and I happen to be at home. I don't really object to it. But I would like a warning in advance for overflights during the night, particularly as Dublin Airport has been in the habit of doing it.

I've lived in the area for 5 years now and I'd have to say that while it has never been completely unknown for 34 to be in use, already this year it feels like it has seen significantly more use than was the case in past years. If we're going to have it 4 or 5 nights a week for the summer, then I think that advance notice via the airport's website is not too much to ask for.

FWVT · 27-05-2015 07:26PM

Calina wrote: »

There is an issue. I live in Dublin 9 and while I fully recognise that there are times 34 will be in use, I'd like it to be flagged on the airport's website so that I can be clear on how often or how long I have to listen to this. I don't mind it during the day but there are parts of Dublin 9 which are much closer to the airport than most of the residential areas in Portmarnock/Howth for example. The aircraft are much lower overhead.

This is actually quite disturbing late at night and it's particularly irritating before 5am. And it is definitely louder in Dublin 9 than in Howth or Portmarnock in my experience. I've lived in Portmarnock as well. I've also lived in Forrest Road in Swords and of all of them, it's probably been loudest there when 16 is used for landing.

It would be nice to get a warning for it for the simple reason that 16/34 is rarely used and so it is out of the ordinary for residents under the flightpath to it.

On balance, I find landing noise to be significantly louder than take off noise when 34 is used for landing and 16 for take off.

It's nice to know. Most people would like advance notice of matters which may discommode them, for example roadworks in the vicinity of where they live.

My past experience is that Dublin Airport has generally flagged periods of maintenance. The fact that they did not, on this occasion, is disappointing as it was fairly obvious that wind was not a factor.

I take photographs of low flying aircraft if it happens during the day and I happen to be at home. I don't really object to it. But I would like a warning in advance for overflights during the night, particularly as Dublin Airport has been in the habit of doing it.

I've lived in the area for 5 years now and I'd have to say that while it has never been completely unknown for 34 to be in use, already this year it feels like it has seen significantly more use than was the case in past years. If we're going to have it 4 or 5 nights a week for the summer, then I think that advance notice via the airport's website is not too much to ask for.

And what would you do if you did get advance warning? What would that change? The noise would still be there. How would you hear it less?

smurfjed · 27-05-2015 07:43PM

How would you hear it less?

Ear plugs

Or create a white noise so that the aircraft noise doesn't affect you.

Calina · 27-05-2015 07:45PM

FWVT wrote: »

And what would you do if you did get advance warning? What would that change? The noise would still be there. How would you hear it less?

Actually it's possible to sleep through noise you're expecting to hear. Noise you're not expecting, on the other hand...particularly at 4.50am, that's a different kettle of fish.

I don't see why it is so hard now for the airport to include the maintenance in its news pages. It has generally done it before.

eatmyshorts · 27-05-2015 08:03PM

coylemj wrote: »

It is of concern to some people if two incoming transatlantic planes fly over their houses at 4:30 in the morning when they're not used to that level of noise, especially if it wakes young children or teenagers about to do exams.

If it's of no concern to you then maybe just don't participate in the thread, otherwise I suggest you let the mods decide what we can and can not discuss.

For those of us that have been up all night and are flying the aircraft at that time, I guarantee it's much worse!

FWVT · 27-05-2015 08:39PM

Calina wrote: »

Actually it's possible to sleep through noise you're expecting to hear. Noise you're not expecting, on the other hand...particularly at 4.50am, that's a different kettle of fish.

I don't see why it is so hard now for the airport to include the maintenance in its news pages. It has generally done it before.

So by that rationale you should have no more problems with the noise now as you know to expect it, as per the notam I posted earlier.

Calina · 27-05-2015 08:43PM

FWVT wrote: »

So by that rationale you should have no more problems with the noise now as you know to expect it, as per the notam I posted earlier.

My problem is not with the flights going overhead. It is that Dublin Airport did not flag them on their site which they have had the habit of doing.

I don't need your NOTAM to tell me there are planes going overhead for the simple reason that I can hear them thanks. What I'd like is for Dublin Airport to keep that maintenance information on their website.

I'm wondering why you think that is such a big deal.

eatmyshorts · 27-05-2015 08:47PM

Calina wrote: »

I'm wondering why you think that is such a big deal.

You elected to live under the flightpath of one of the major European airports and you wonder why there's noise?

Calina · 27-05-2015 09:10PM

eatmyshorts wrote: »

You elected to live under the flightpath of one of the major European airports and you wonder why there's noise?

I don't want to get into an argument but let's just say the flightpath in question is one which is rarely used and so there is rarely noise. I'm not saying it never happens. Most of the noise which I get are a) sirens courtesy of ambulance going to Beaumont and, more often than the passenger aircraft, the Coast Guard chopper. The chopper almost never passes over during the night.

IMG_4035 by me, on Flickr taken a day that crosswinds caused 34 to be in use.

But we do get the aircraft on occasion. Some of those occasions include maintenance and cover a late night period at which time a) taking photographs is not usually productive and b) sleeping might be.

My issue isn't the aircraft noise per se, it's the the fact that unusually, Dublin Airport didn't flag it.

Photograph was taken from my front garden. I know there are people on this board who'd kill to have this happen daily. But it doesn't and so it's not accurate to suggest that noise is a regular event from the airport. Most of the time, you'd hardly know there was an airport up the road.

FWVT · 27-05-2015 09:16PM

Calina wrote: »

My problem is not with the flights going overhead. It is that Dublin Airport did not flag them on their site which they have had the habit of doing.

I don't need your NOTAM to tell me there are planes going overhead for the simple reason that I can hear them thanks. What I'd like is for Dublin Airport to keep that maintenance information on their website.

I'm wondering why you think that is such a big deal.

So the planes are NOT the problem that is keeping you awake, it's instead the fact that runway upgrades were not made public?

Cessna_Pilot · 27-05-2015 11:18PM

All I can add to do this thread is that I wish my life was so simple and problem free to be able to care so much about irrelevant things like an aircraft overflying the house once in a while

sdanseo · 28-05-2015 12:11AM

Calina wrote: »

There is an issue. I live in Dublin 9 and while I fully recognise that there are times 34 will be in use, I'd like it to be flagged on the airport's website so that I can be clear on how often or how long I have to listen to this. I don't mind it during the day but there are parts of Dublin 9 which are much closer to the airport than most of the residential areas in Portmarnock/Howth for example. The aircraft are much lower overhead.

This is actually quite disturbing late at night and it's particularly irritating before 5am. And it is definitely louder in Dublin 9 than in Howth or Portmarnock in my experience. I've lived in Portmarnock as well. I've also lived in Forrest Road in Swords and of all of them, it's probably been loudest there when 16 is used for landing.

It would be nice to get a warning for it for the simple reason that 16/34 is rarely used and so it is out of the ordinary for residents under the flightpath to it.

On balance, I find landing noise to be significantly louder than take off noise when 34 is used for landing and 16 for take off.

It's nice to know. Most people would like advance notice of matters which may discommode them, for example roadworks in the vicinity of where they live.

My past experience is that Dublin Airport has generally flagged periods of maintenance. The fact that they did not, on this occasion, is disappointing as it was fairly obvious that wind was not a factor.

I take photographs of low flying aircraft if it happens during the day and I happen to be at home. I don't really object to it. But I would like a warning in advance for overflights during the night, particularly as Dublin Airport has been in the habit of doing it.

I've lived in the area for 5 years now and I'd have to say that while it has never been completely unknown for 34 to be in use, already this year it feels like it has seen significantly more use than was the case in past years. If we're going to have it 4 or 5 nights a week for the summer, then I think that advance notice via the airport's website is not too much to ask for.

I think it's nice that DAA tweet or otherwise announce the "discommoding" of residents but it's just that - a courtesy - and I don't think not doing it should be held against them. They have no say in which runway is used, that's dictated by weather and safety, combined with a requirement to keep the airfield maintained.

If they warn you of roadworks, you can drive a different way. If the water's going to be off you can bottle some or fill the bath.

If aircraft are landing over your house you can't put it on wheels and drive to Leitrim for the night.

lucernarian · 28-05-2015 02:09AM

Jeez, someone has made the point that some mention of planned usage of the 16/34 runway would be helpful and is it much to ask etc... For whatever reasons, be it knowing to wear ear plugs in advance or taking sleeping tablets or some other arbitrary thing they could do to prepare and minimise any impact on sleep. This is not a serious imposition on the DAA if it is indeed known for more than a few days in advance.

What it gets is some smart alek responses about NoTAMs and moving the house to Leitrim... I'm not sure I would demand, or support demands that the DAA put up every possible moment of airport operations that might impact upon "neighbours" but the point certainly doesn't require condescending responses...

fr336 · 28-05-2015 04:20AM

KLAXON

TWO SHAMROCK A330s ON THEIR WAY..YOU SHOULD SEE THE SPEED OF THEM. ETA 20 MINS TIME. (There's a 767 coming too but hopefully that should be 28)

THANK YOU

sjb25 · 28-05-2015 07:17AM

Try working shift work lads I'd like to know what time the bin man is coming today also the postman as he will make the dog bark id like my neighbour to inform me if he needs to cut his grass or do anyting that mite wake me because I'm just of a 12hr night shift (back tonight for another 12)and i need to know so I can sleep during the day actually any motorist passing the house needs to text me now

Actually all them transatlantic aircraft that pass right over me roaring so Shannon control should send me a text aswell so il know my sleep may be interrupted

Nighttime Flight Paths over Dublin

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