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  • #122
    dxhound2005
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,784 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    silverfeather wrote: »
    B.S down with polygamy monogamy all the way. I am bisexual ...I am all for monogamy.

    With a L or a G?


  • #123
    silverfeather
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,154 ✭✭✭silverfeather


    Mina Deep Self-incrimination wrote: »
    I'm bisexual, it's fine the way it is thanks
    Me too here here!


  • #124
    Dwarf.Shortage
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,428 ✭✭✭Dwarf.Shortage


    LGBTQ

    Q being for queer, what type of sexual identity identifies with this letter?


  • #125
    silverfeather
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,154 ✭✭✭silverfeather


    Dwarf.Shortage wrote: »
    LGBTQ

    Q being for queer, what type of sexual identity identifies with this letter?
    Straights.:pac:


  • #126
    dxhound2005
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,784 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    silverfeather wrote: »
    Me too here here!

    You are obviously there. Does being Bi require you to say it twice.


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  • #127
    wakka12
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,786 ✭✭✭wakka12


    Dwarf.Shortage wrote: »
    LGBTQ

    Q being for queer, what type of sexual identity identifies with this letter?

    I think queer is an umbrella term for all non heterosexual orientations


  • #128
    Kiwi in IE
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,063 ✭✭✭Kiwi in IE


    dxhound2005 wrote: »
    With a L or a G?

    Probably with a person they fall in love with?


  • #129
    pq0n1ct4ve8zf5
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,070 ✭✭✭✭pq0n1ct4ve8zf5


    dxhound2005 wrote: »
    You are obviously there. Does being Bi require you to say it twice.

    It's not required but it's frowned upon not to. They might take your bisexual membership card card off you.


  • #130
    silverfeather
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,154 ✭✭✭silverfeather


    dxhound2005 wrote: »
    You are obviously there. Does being Bi require you to say it twice.
    Hear hear is etymologically the original as in 'hear him, hear him'. Nonetheless, the eggcorn "Here, here" is so common that it may actually be eclipsing the original version. :)


  • #131
    silverfeather
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,154 ✭✭✭silverfeather


    Aaand if you have read catch 22 you will be familiar with the phrase 'There There'. :-)


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  • #132
    dxhound2005
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,784 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    silverfeather wrote: »
    Hear hear is etymologically the original as in 'hear him, hear him'. Nonetheless, the eggcorn "Here, here" is so common that it may actually be eclipsing the original version. :)

    Yes indeed, we do get that Alot on Boards.


  • #133
    wakka12
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,786 ✭✭✭wakka12


    Dwarf.Shortage wrote: »
    LGBTQ

    Q being for queer, what type of sexual identity identifies with this letter?

    Yeah I just looked it up actually and it is that!
    Wikipedia
    ''Queer is an umbrella term for sexual and gender minorities that are not heterosexual or cisgender''


  • #134
    Ghost Buster
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 5,172 ✭✭✭Ghost Buster


    stefanovich wrote: »
    Maybe when they get closer to death their opinions might change.

    When they havd a sense of desperation and fear? Maybe, Hardly a good justification for religious beliefs though.


  • #135
    RedemptionZ
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,758 ✭✭✭RedemptionZ


    Maybe not in 20 years, but I do think that gender equality in the courts will eventually be seen as a big fault in today's society. Custody, drunk man and drunk woman have sex man is considered at fault etc. Sexist to both genders.


  • #136
    darced
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    This post has been deleted.


  • #137
    Tombi!
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,689 ✭✭✭Tombi!


    ThinkProgress wrote: »
    You could try spelling the word correctly. Might help give you a smidgen of credibility!

    There is no desire to find out the answer to your question. People don't feel defective.

    They just want to live their life and be happy - your views do NOT help that in any way!

    Mod: Feel free to debate all you wish but being a grammar Nazi is actually against the rules (you pointed out the misspelling which is a no-no since it adds nothing to the conversation).
    Avoid doing it in the future, cheers.


  • #138
    ThinkProgress
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,634 ✭✭✭ThinkProgress


    Eugene Norman wrote: »
    Actually his question is a good one.

    There is a conspiracy to forget in most of the weaker and social sciences regarding homosexuality. Psychologists saw it as a mental disorder just a generation ago, this was influenced by Freud and Jung, not the church.

    I don't think there is any conspiracy, just lack of desire to classify a sexuality in that manner. Hypothetically speaking, if it was still considered to be a disorder, there would be huge pressure to find a cure or effective treatment.

    So you would be condemning otherwise healthy (potentially happy) individuals to a life of stigma and discrimination. For what? Hope for something that might never come...?

    Not a very logical course of action imho.


  • #139
    dxhound2005
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,784 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    Kiwi in IE wrote: »
    Probably with a person they fall in love with?

    There is no mention of love in any of the various Marriage Acts which have been legislated. Marriage is a legal instrument, designed to regulate matters like inheritance.

    http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/1972/en/act/pub/0030/

    I don't expect that any legislation outlawing marriage between persons who are not "in love" will ever be enacted. But in these changing times you never know.


  • #140
    Eugene Norman
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,191 ✭✭✭Eugene Norman


    ThinkProgress wrote: »
    I don't think there is any conspiracy, just lack of desire to classify a sexuality in that manner. Hypothetically speaking, if it was still considered to be a disorder, there would be huge pressure to find a cure or effective treatment.

    So you would be condemning otherwise healthy (potentially happy) individuals to a life of stigma and discrimination. For what? Hope for something that might never come...?

    Not a very logical course of action imho.

    I agree. I'm coming from the vantage point that there are too many "disorders" described by psychology, then and now.


  • #141
    jjC123
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 103 ✭✭jjC123


    dxhound2005 wrote: »
    There is no mention of love in any of the various Marriage Acts which have been legislated. Marriage is a legal instrument, designed to regulate matters like inheritance.

    http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/1972/en/act/pub/0030/

    I don't expect that any legislation outlawing marriage between persons who are not "in love" will ever be enacted. But in these changing times you never know.

    I believe the point being made was that bisexuals will marry either a man or a woman, probably the one they fall in love with seeing as that tends to be the reason for marriage in this day and age?

    It's not a difficult concept.


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  • #142
    pq0n1ct4ve8zf5
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,070 ✭✭✭✭pq0n1ct4ve8zf5


    Eugene Norman wrote: »
    Actually his question is a good one.

    There is a conspiracy to forget in most of the weaker and social sciences regarding homosexuality. Psychologists saw it as a mental disorder just a generation ago, this was influenced by Freud and Jung, not the church.

    Freud and Jung had social attitudes that we've moved beyond though. According to Freud most men have a deeply rooted fear of castration that makes them afraid of vaginas like.

    It was good that understandings of homosexuality and of madness moved away from moralistic theistic understandings that saw them as sins, that doesn't mean we can't move further than that. When they were explaining homosexuality, they were still starting from the point of "how can we explain what is wrong with this person", and that's something I think we can reasonably reject.


  • #143
    dxhound2005
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,784 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    jjC123 wrote: »
    I believe the point being made was that bisexuals will marry either a man or a woman, probably the one they fall in love with seeing as that tends to be the reason for marriage in this day and age?

    It's not a difficult concept.

    It's a very simple concept. So is the idea of falling in love with someone and living with them without being married. As I said marriage legislation is completely mute on the subject of romantic love. As it should be, it is a legal contract.


  • #144
    pq0n1ct4ve8zf5
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,070 ✭✭✭✭pq0n1ct4ve8zf5


    dxhound2005 wrote: »
    It's a very simple concept. So is the idea of falling in love with someone and living with them without being married. As I said marriage legislation is completely mute on the subject of romantic love. As it should be, it is a legal contract.

    So what point were you trying to make about bisexuals?


  • #145
    pl4ichjgy17zwd
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,053 ✭✭✭pl4ichjgy17zwd


    I'm always slightly baffled that people genuinely think bisexual means wanting to be with a man and a woman at the same time.


  • #146
    pq0n1ct4ve8zf5
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,070 ✭✭✭✭pq0n1ct4ve8zf5


    Eli Hot Shredder wrote: »
    I'm always slightly baffled that people genuinely think bisexual means wanting to be with a man and a woman at the same time.

    That and it doesn't really exist you know, you probably just have borderline personality disorder, you'll grow out of it, you're just looking for attention. Get all that from straight people and gay people. My whole life is basically one big "YOU CAN'T SIT WITH US!"


  • #147
    pl4ichjgy17zwd
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,053 ✭✭✭pl4ichjgy17zwd


    Mina Deep Self-incrimination wrote: »
    That and it doesn't really exist you know, you probably just have borderline personality disorder, you'll grow out of it, you're just looking for attention. Get all that from straight people and gay people. My whole life is basically one big "YOU CAN'T SIT WITH US!"

    I've been around gay people who think they're 'safe' to bitch about bisexuals because I'm gay too - they always get swiftly shot down and removed from my social circle!


  • #148
    wakka12
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,786 ✭✭✭wakka12


    darced wrote: »
    This post has been deleted.

    I can, if they humanised paedophiles who have never attacked children, and see the pain they go through then it could be a successful campaign. Im sure paedophiles who cannot stop their attraction, and don't want to hurt children would be supported by the public. Im sure its an extremely hard thing to live with. I don't want to congratulate somebody for not being a child abuser but yanno haha


  • #149
    _Brian
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 20,070 ✭✭✭✭_Brian


    SummerSummit wrote: »
    The Catholic grip on education and their influence on children.

    Irish primary school children currently spend 11% of their time learning religion. Nearly 3 times as much as the rest of Europe and about the same amount of time they spend learning Maths. https://www.education.ie/en/Publications/Statistics/Education-at-a-Glance-OECD-Indicators-2013-Key-Facts.pdf

    Transfer the schools into state ownership and get the priests off interview panels.
    I agree the state needs to own and run education, but we just can't transfer private property into the hands of the state, that's theft.

    When the orders were bargaining for settlement for abuse it should have been brought to the table then. But it was softly softly for some reason.


  • #150
    wakka12
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,786 ✭✭✭wakka12


    Mina Deep Self-incrimination wrote: »
    So what point were you trying to make about bisexuals?

    Its ridiculous, people have this notion in their head that if they date a bisexual person then odds are they'll cheat on you with somebody of their same gender.


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  • #151
    HIB
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 259 ✭✭HIB


    WeHaveToGoBack wrote: »
    Paedophilia (the mental state) will be viewed differently to actually abusing children.

    The former should get support and help.

    Also, the manner in which we currently 'name and shame' people convicted of posession of child pornography, opening them up to all kinds of vicious public villification and humiliaton, will be seen as barbaric.


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