So now its the great Aer Lingus 'sell off' referendum (as proposed by Sinn Fein).

LordSutch · 27-05-2015 09:42PM #1

Hot on the heels of the Marriage referendum and the Presidential referendum, publicity seeking Sinn Fein are now asking for another referendum, this time on the sale of the governments 25% stake in Are Lingus > to IAG.

From today's Irish Examiner;
"Sinn Féin has said the Government should hold a referendum before agreeing to the sale of Aer Lingus.
The suggestion came as the Dáil continues its debate on the proposed sale of the government's 25% stake to IAG".
http://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/sf-hold-a-referendum-on-aer-lingus-sale-679042.html

But are we really in the mood for another rerendum? Or is it (as I suspect), a cynical vote grabbing exercise by SF, who are just trying to tap into that feeling of positivity post the marriage referendum?

Call me cynical, but I can't help thinking that the Shinners don't miss a trick :cool:

What say you?

27-05-2015 09:44PM

I read the Constitution. No mention of Aer Lingus. Whew, no need for another referendum.

P. Breathnach · 27-05-2015 09:49PM

Link doesn't work.

Cold War Kid · 27-05-2015 09:51PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E5Lec3m1pLY

mailforkev · 27-05-2015 09:52PM

I suspect if IAG wasn't the parent of an airline with British in the title the Shinners wouldn't care too much.

michael999999 · 27-05-2015 09:52PM

LordSutch wrote: »

Hot on the heels of the Marriage referendum and the Presidential referendum, publicity seeking Sinn Fein are now asking for another referendum, this time on the sale of the governments 25% stake in Are Lingus > to IAG.

From today's Irish Examiner;
"Sinn Féin has said the Government should hold a referendum before agreeing to the sale of Aer Lingus.
The suggestion came as the Dáil continues its debate on the proposed sale of the government's 25% stake to IAG".
http://www.irishexaminer.com/breakin...le-679042.html

But are we really in the mood for another rerendum? Or is it (as I suspect), a cynical vote grabbing exercise by SF, who are just trying to tap into that feeling of positivity post the marriage referendum?

Call me cynical, but I can't help thinking that the Shinners don't miss a trick :cool:

What say you?

Publicity seeking you say?

So you set up a thread on a social media site about it!

Yep, makes sense!

The Backwards Man · 27-05-2015 09:54PM

I'm no fan of SF but even I can see that your fascination with them isn't one bit healthy OP. For you or the rest of us.

frostyjacks · 27-05-2015 09:55PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I read the Constitution. No mention of Aer Lingus. Whew, no need for another referendum.

Don't remember seeing all those EU treaties in the constitution either.

Eutow · 27-05-2015 09:57PM

frostyjacks wrote: »

Don't remember seeing all those EU treaties in the constitution either.

The Nice Treaty required us to change the Constitution. I think we were the only country to hold a referendum.

padd b1975 · 27-05-2015 09:59PM

It's going to be scary if the Shinners ever get into power.

They won't be asking for bat-sh1t crazy stuff like this to happen, they will just do it!

Eutow · 27-05-2015 09:59PM

LordSutch wrote: »

Hot on the heels of the Marriage referendum and the Presidential referendum, publicity seeking Sinn Fein are now asking for another referendum, this time on the sale of the governments 25% stake in Are Lingus > to IAG.

But are we really in the mood for another rerendum? Or is it (as I suspect), a cynical vote grabbing exercise by SF, who are just trying to tap into that feeling of positivity post the marriage referendum?

Call me cynical, but I can't help thinking that the Shinners don't miss a trick :cool:

What say you?

Does not compute. Maybe you mean FG being cynical by suddenly calling a snap election to tap into the positivity before reality hits again?

LordSutch · 27-05-2015 10:00PM

Link to story > http://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/sf-hold-a-referendum-on-aer-lingus-sale-679042.html

michael999999 · 27-05-2015 10:00PM

padd b1975 wrote: »

It's going to be scary if the Shinners ever get into power.

They won't be asking for bat-sh1t crazy stuff like this to happen, they will just do it!

Ya.

Let's hope they never guarantee the banks.

Now that would be mental!

tomwaterford · 27-05-2015 10:02PM

Eutow wrote: »

The Nice Treaty required us to change the Constitution. I think we were the only country to hold a referendum.

This is about the only area Ireland deos well....is democracy in relation to Europe and holding referendums

27-05-2015 10:03PM

frostyjacks wrote: »

Don't remember seeing all those EU treaties in the constitution either.

The Supreme Court held in the Crotty case that referendums are needed for such matters.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crotty_v._An_Taoiseach

Not the sale of shares in an airline.

padd b1975 · 27-05-2015 10:05PM

michael999999 wrote: »

Ya.

Let's hope they never guarantee the banks.

Now that would be mental!

They'll be too busy robbing them I would imagine.....

TallGlass · 27-05-2015 10:06PM

The government having another flash sale of assets. We must be like the Delaz store of Europe. If we ever get into a recession we will have nothing to sell or bargain with.

Wish they would sell at leased to an Irish company keep it somewhat Irish !

Fr_Dougal · 27-05-2015 10:06PM

I think Aer Lingus should be allowed marry whoever they want.

Nodin · 27-05-2015 10:12PM

Fr_Dougal wrote: »

I think Aer Lingus should be allowed marry whoever they want.

...and what they do with their slots is their own business and no-one elses.

Nodin · 27-05-2015 10:13PM

The Backwards Man wrote: »

I'm no fan of SF but even I can see that your fascination with them isn't one bit healthy OP. For you or the rest of us.

He's more fascinated by them than I am, and I vote for the feckers. Tis odd.

BoJack Horseman · 27-05-2015 10:14PM

Where was SF when Bord Gais & its power generation wing was sold last year?

Curiously transient principles.

Axel Lamp · 27-05-2015 10:14PM

Ah the Shinners, absolutely clueless when it comes to finance, economics and general understanding of business.

Now if it's child abuse or robbing banks you want then SinnFein are your party

Eugene Norman · 27-05-2015 10:15PM

Enough referenda. I would like the constitutional convention to come up with 10 versions from existing to less conservative to ultra liberal . Then we vote using STV for our favourite in order. Then we take that constitution and that's it for 100 years.

Eugene Norman · 27-05-2015 10:17PM

Axel Lamp wrote: »

Ah the Shinners, absolutely clueless when it comes to finance, economics and general understanding of business.

Now if it's child abuse or robbing banks you want then SinnFein are your party

In general I would put them as smarter than the Tories or FF. which isn't saying much.

michael999999 · 27-05-2015 10:18PM

Axel Lamp wrote: »

Ah the Shinners, absolutely clueless when it comes to finance, economics and general understanding of business.

Now if it's child abuse or robbing banks you want then SinnFein are your party

Ah Fianna fail/fine gael, the catholic church and decades of child abuse, and the banks robbing the public!

You gotta love the gov apologists on here!

PARlance · 27-05-2015 10:22PM

Fr_Dougal wrote: »

I think Aer Lingus should be allowed marry whoever they want.

As long as their partner doesn't want to sell off the kids.

Axel Lamp · 27-05-2015 10:24PM

michael999999 wrote: »

You gotta love the gov apologists on here!

More whataboutery

As opposed to being a child abusing apologist, a party that moves convicted child abusers to a separate sovereign country?

Liam Adams - child rapist.

Liam Adams - Sinn Fein.

Liam Adams - Gerry Adams brother.

Paramite Pie · 27-05-2015 10:25PM

Great. Sell it to one of the largest Multi-National going in the Industry. EU anti-competition Laws anyone?

How many routes to London/Britain/Spain will be cut? I doubt IAG will keep duplicate services when the initial contract runs out. Jokes on them though, endless strikes for the next few years.

frostyjacks wrote: »

Don't remember seeing all those EU treaties in the constitution either.

Do you actually know how Constitutional Law works? Our constitution superscedes all EU laws (something only Ireland negotiated for itself back when it still knew how to) so when an EU Treaty conflicts with our Constitution we have to amend it.

LordSutch · 27-05-2015 10:27PM

Paramite Pie wrote: »

Great. Sell it to one of the largest Multi-National going in the Industry. EU anti-competition Laws anyone?

How many routes to London/Britain/Spain will be cut? I doubt IAG will keep duplicate services when the initial contract runs out. Jokes on them though, endless strikes for the next few years.

Do you actually know how Constitutional Law works? Our constitution superscedes all EU laws (something only Ireland negotiated for itself back when it still knew how to) so when an EU Treaty conflicts with our Constitution we have to amend it.

But should there be a referendum, as proposed by Sinn Fein?

Eutow · 27-05-2015 10:31PM

LordSutch wrote: »

But should there be a referendum, as proposed by Sinn Fein?

On what basis? Referenda are only held when a change to the Constitution is required. Holding one would be unprecedented.

LordSutch · 27-05-2015 10:31PM

Eutow wrote: »

On what basis? Referenda are only held when a change to the Constitution is required. Holding one would be unprecedented.

So why are they proposing one?

So now its the great Aer Lingus 'sell off' referendum (as proposed by Sinn Fein).

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