So now its the great Aer Lingus 'sell off' referendum (as proposed by Sinn Fein).

LordSutch

Hot on the heels of the Marriage referendum and the Presidential referendum, publicity seeking Sinn Fein are now asking for another referendum, this time on the sale of the governments 25% stake in Are Lingus > to IAG.

From today's Irish Examiner;
"Sinn Féin has said the Government should hold a referendum before agreeing to the sale of Aer Lingus.
The suggestion came as the Dáil continues its debate on the proposed sale of the government's 25% stake to IAG".
http://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/sf-hold-a-referendum-on-aer-lingus-sale-679042.html

But are we really in the mood for another rerendum? Or is it (as I suspect), a cynical vote grabbing exercise by SF, who are just trying to tap into that feeling of positivity post the marriage referendum?

Call me cynical, but I can't help thinking that the Shinners don't miss a trick :cool:

What say you?

I read the Constitution. No mention of Aer Lingus. Whew, no need for another referendum.

P. Breathnach

Link doesn't work.

Cold War Kid

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E5Lec3m1pLY

mailforkev

I suspect if IAG wasn't the parent of an airline with British in the title the Shinners wouldn't care too much.

michael999999

LordSutch wrote: »

Hot on the heels of the Marriage referendum and the Presidential referendum, publicity seeking Sinn Fein are now asking for another referendum, this time on the sale of the governments 25% stake in Are Lingus > to IAG.

From today's Irish Examiner;
"Sinn Féin has said the Government should hold a referendum before agreeing to the sale of Aer Lingus.
The suggestion came as the Dáil continues its debate on the proposed sale of the government's 25% stake to IAG".
http://www.irishexaminer.com/breakin...le-679042.html

But are we really in the mood for another rerendum? Or is it (as I suspect), a cynical vote grabbing exercise by SF, who are just trying to tap into that feeling of positivity post the marriage referendum?

Call me cynical, but I can't help thinking that the Shinners don't miss a trick :cool:

What say you?

Publicity seeking you say?

So you set up a thread on a social media site about it!

Yep, makes sense!

The Backwards Man

I'm no fan of SF but even I can see that your fascination with them isn't one bit healthy OP. For you or the rest of us.

frostyjacks

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I read the Constitution. No mention of Aer Lingus. Whew, no need for another referendum.

Don't remember seeing all those EU treaties in the constitution either.

Eutow

frostyjacks wrote: »

Don't remember seeing all those EU treaties in the constitution either.

The Nice Treaty required us to change the Constitution. I think we were the only country to hold a referendum.

padd b1975

It's going to be scary if the Shinners ever get into power.

They won't be asking for bat-sh1t crazy stuff like this to happen, they will just do it!

Eutow

LordSutch wrote: »

Hot on the heels of the Marriage referendum and the Presidential referendum, publicity seeking Sinn Fein are now asking for another referendum, this time on the sale of the governments 25% stake in Are Lingus > to IAG.


But are we really in the mood for another rerendum? Or is it (as I suspect), a cynical vote grabbing exercise by SF, who are just trying to tap into that feeling of positivity post the marriage referendum?

Call me cynical, but I can't help thinking that the Shinners don't miss a trick :cool:

What say you?

Does not compute. Maybe you mean FG being cynical by suddenly calling a snap election to tap into the positivity before reality hits again?

LordSutch

Link to story > http://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/sf-hold-a-referendum-on-aer-lingus-sale-679042.html

michael999999

padd b1975 wrote: »

It's going to be scary if the Shinners ever get into power.

They won't be asking for bat-sh1t crazy stuff like this to happen, they will just do it!

Ya.

Let's hope they never guarantee the banks.

Now that would be mental!

tomwaterford

Eutow wrote: »

The Nice Treaty required us to change the Constitution. I think we were the only country to hold a referendum.

This is about the only area Ireland deos well....is democracy in relation to Europe and holding referendums

frostyjacks

frostyjacks wrote: »

Don't remember seeing all those EU treaties in the constitution either.

The Supreme Court held in the Crotty case that referendums are needed for such matters.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crotty_v._An_Taoiseach

Not the sale of shares in an airline.

padd b1975

michael999999 wrote: »

Ya.

Let's hope they never guarantee the banks.

Now that would be mental!

They'll be too busy robbing them I would imagine.....

TallGlass

The government having another flash sale of assets. We must be like the Delaz store of Europe. If we ever get into a recession we will have nothing to sell or bargain with.

Wish they would sell at leased to an Irish company keep it somewhat Irish !

Fr_Dougal

I think Aer Lingus should be allowed marry whoever they want.

Nodin

Fr_Dougal wrote: »

I think Aer Lingus should be allowed marry whoever they want.

...and what they do with their slots is their own business and no-one elses.

Nodin

The Backwards Man wrote: »

I'm no fan of SF but even I can see that your fascination with them isn't one bit healthy OP. For you or the rest of us.

He's more fascinated by them than I am, and I vote for the feckers. Tis odd.

BoJack Horseman

Where was SF when Bord Gais & its power generation wing was sold last year?

Curiously transient principles.

Axel Lamp

Ah the Shinners, absolutely clueless when it comes to finance, economics and general understanding of business.

Now if it's child abuse or robbing banks you want then SinnFein are your party

Eugene Norman

Enough referenda. I would like the constitutional convention to come up with 10 versions from existing to less conservative to ultra liberal . Then we vote using STV for our favourite in order. Then we take that constitution and that's it for 100 years.

Eugene Norman

Axel Lamp wrote: »

Ah the Shinners, absolutely clueless when it comes to finance, economics and general understanding of business.

Now if it's child abuse or robbing banks you want then SinnFein are your party

In general I would put them as smarter than the Tories or FF. which isn't saying much.

michael999999

Axel Lamp wrote: »

Ah the Shinners, absolutely clueless when it comes to finance, economics and general understanding of business.

Now if it's child abuse or robbing banks you want then SinnFein are your party

Ah Fianna fail/fine gael, the catholic church and decades of child abuse, and the banks robbing the public!

You gotta love the gov apologists on here!

PARlance

Fr_Dougal wrote: »

I think Aer Lingus should be allowed marry whoever they want.

As long as their partner doesn't want to sell off the kids.

Axel Lamp

michael999999 wrote: »

You gotta love the gov apologists on here!

More whataboutery

As opposed to being a child abusing apologist, a party that moves convicted child abusers to a separate sovereign country?

Liam Adams - child rapist.

Liam Adams - Sinn Fein.

Liam Adams - Gerry Adams brother.

Paramite Pie

Great. Sell it to one of the largest Multi-National going in the Industry. EU anti-competition Laws anyone?

How many routes to London/Britain/Spain will be cut? I doubt IAG will keep duplicate services when the initial contract runs out. Jokes on them though, endless strikes for the next few years.

frostyjacks wrote: »

Don't remember seeing all those EU treaties in the constitution either.

Do you actually know how Constitutional Law works? Our constitution superscedes all EU laws (something only Ireland negotiated for itself back when it still knew how to) so when an EU Treaty conflicts with our Constitution we have to amend it.

LordSutch

Paramite Pie wrote: »

Great. Sell it to one of the largest Multi-National going in the Industry. EU anti-competition Laws anyone?

How many routes to London/Britain/Spain will be cut? I doubt IAG will keep duplicate services when the initial contract runs out. Jokes on them though, endless strikes for the next few years.

Do you actually know how Constitutional Law works? Our constitution superscedes all EU laws (something only Ireland negotiated for itself back when it still knew how to) so when an EU Treaty conflicts with our Constitution we have to amend it.

But should there be a referendum, as proposed by Sinn Fein?

Eutow

LordSutch wrote: »

But should there be a referendum, as proposed by Sinn Fein?

On what basis? Referenda are only held when a change to the Constitution is required. Holding one would be unprecedented.

LordSutch

Eutow wrote: »

On what basis? Referenda are only held when a change to the Constitution is required. Holding one would be unprecedented.

So why are they proposing one?

Eutow

LordSutch wrote: »

So why are they proposing one?

I don't know.

Eutow

Eutow wrote: »

On what basis? Referenda are only held when a change to the Constitution is required. Holding one would be unprecedented.

The populist nonsense basis.

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LordSutch wrote: »

So why are they proposing one?

Probably to deflect from tomorrow's latest SF related scandal

dxhound2005

michael999999 wrote: »

Ya.

Let's hope they never guarantee the banks.

Now that would be mental!

They must have gone a bit mental on the day they voted for the guarantee.

michael999999

I can't see this referendum idea "taking off"!

Junkyard Tom

*GODGE AND IWASFROZEN TO AISLE 4 PLEASE*.
*SINN FEIN SPILLAGE ON AISLE 4 NEEDS TO BE DEALT WITH IMMEDIATELY*.

dxhound2005

Junkyard Cat wrote: »

*GODGE AND IWASFROZEN TO AISLE 4 PLEASE*.
*SINN FEIN SPILLAGE ON AISLE 4 NEEDS TO BE DEALT WITH IMMEDIATELY*.

Did Mary Lou phone you?

Junkyard Tom

dxhound2005 wrote: »

Did Mary Lou phone you?

Yes.

BoJack Horseman

Junkyard Cat wrote: »

*GODGE AND IWASFROZEN TO AISLE 4 PLEASE*.
*SINN FEIN SPILLAGE ON AISLE 4 NEEDS TO BE DEALT WITH IMMEDIATELY*.

Its cute how the Gerry-bots crawl over themselves to avoid the substance of this weeks slice of Shinner stupidity.

Dyr

LordSutch wrote: »

Hot on the heels of the Marriage referendum and the Presidential referendum, publicity seeking Sinn Fein are now asking for another referendum, this time on the sale of the governments 25% stake in Are Lingus > to IAG.

What say you?

I'd say you prefer to fly BA anyway

Dyr

dxhound2005 wrote: »

They must have gone a bit mental on the day they voted for the guarantee.

Do you not have to be up early to do a bit of work for SIPTU?

Cos lets be honest, the only people still publically shilling for labour are SIPTU officials

For Forks Sake

What article of the constitution needs to be changed to allow for the sale of a minority share in a publicly quoted airline again?

Stupid shinners.

Junkyard Tom

BoJack Horseman wrote: »

Its cute how the Gerry-bots crawl over themselves to avoid the substance of this weeks slice of Shinner stupidity.

'Gerry-bots'.. that's a new one. Did you make that up all by yourself?

blackwhite

michael999999 wrote: »

Ya.

Let's hope they never guarantee the banks.

Now that would be mental!

Didn't SF vote in favour of implementing the bank guarantee?

ben.schlomo

TallGlass wrote: »

The government having another flash sale of assets. We must be like the Delaz store of Europe. If we ever get into a recession we will have nothing to sell or bargain with.

Wish they would sell at leased to an Irish company keep it somewhat Irish !

You have a real understanding of the international aviation industry i see.

jank

I see Sinn Fein/IRA scraping the bottom of the barrel in terms of latching onto a few populist vote. Thankfully the majority of the nation are wise to these shower of idiots. They as so far removed from economic policy it is scary.

Atlantic Dawn

The government will take in €335m from the sale of Aer Lingus, if we were to split it up amongst the 4.5m or so of us living here we would get just under €75 each, not enough for a decent pair of runners. Aer Lingus is better off as part of a larger organisation, another oil crisis or war and the company could be too small to exist profitably on its own.