Today consensus, tomorrows prejudice.

Dwarf.Shortage · 27-05-2015 06:09PM #1

When David Norris first mentioned gay marriage in the Seanad he was sneered at and ignored as if the idea was as preposterous as swimming to the sun. Twenty years later the Seanad was the leading light among the political institutions on the yes side.

What, if any, issue or group do you believe is treated in a manner today which twenty years hence when Ireland looks back will be seen as reprehensible and discriminatory?

Penny Tration · 27-05-2015 06:10PM

Hopefully the fact that women current have no bodily autonomy once they get pregnant.

frostyjacks · 27-05-2015 06:11PM

Catholics

eviltwin · 27-05-2015 06:13PM

Abortion, transgender issues have to be up there. Religion and schools too hopefully.

Dwarf.Shortage · 27-05-2015 06:14PM

frostyjacks wrote: »

Catholics

I'm not trying to bait you into a good ould Catholic bashing session but genuine question, could you expand on what you mean a little bit? I assume you mean good honest lay people being tarred with the mistakes of clergy and being attacked by aggressive atheists like Dawkins despite keeping their own council all their lives? or something like that.

The Backwards Man · 27-05-2015 06:16PM

That culchies are finally recognised as being infinitely superior to townies.

MouseTail · 27-05-2015 06:17PM

eviltwin wrote: »

Abortion, transgender issues have to be up there. Religion and schools too hopefully.

This, plus our system of direct provision, and the fact we still allow corporal punishment of children in the home.

stefanovich · 27-05-2015 06:20PM

eviltwin wrote: »

Abortion, transgender issues have to be up there. Religion and schools too hopefully.

I agree but probably for very different reasons. I think abortion should be only when the mother's life is in danger or extremely early in the term.

Transgender kids and hormone blocker to prevent puberty are all the rage in other more socially liberal countries. That is not somewhere we want to go. If an adult wants to get extreme surgery like that then let them but by no means should the tax payer foot the bill.

Transgendered people are usually extremely troubled people with very high post operation suicide rates. I'm not sure it is healthy mentally.

As for religion and schools, well, I think they should be separate.

wakka12 · 27-05-2015 06:20PM

Honestly I think in 20 years(actually probably a little longer) anybody in the western world who is strongly religious will be seen as crazy. But I actually can't even think of one irish person in my friend group (aged 18-21) who even strongly believes theres an after life or god

stefanovich · 27-05-2015 06:20PM

MouseTail wrote: »

This, plus our system of direct provision

This is about illegal immigrants and giving them food and shelter rather than moeny?

stefanovich · 27-05-2015 06:21PM

wakka12 wrote: »

Honestly I think in 20 years(actually probably a little longer) anybody in the western world who is strongly religious will be seen as crazy. But I actually can't even think of one irish person in my friend group (aged 18-21) who even strongly believes theres an after life or god

Maybe when they get closer to death their opinions might change.

RichardoKhan · 27-05-2015 06:22PM

Tax avoidance by the super rich

Dwarf.Shortage · 27-05-2015 06:23PM

RichardoKhan wrote: »

Tax avoidance by the super rich

We live in a time of staunch advocacy for minorities, especially the 1%.

eviltwin · 27-05-2015 06:23PM

stefanovich wrote: »

Maybe when they get closer to death their opinions might change.

Smug and patronising, exactly what I left religion to avoid.

The Backwards Man · 27-05-2015 06:23PM

wakka12 wrote: »

Honestly I think in 20 years(actually probably a little longer) anybody in the western world who is strongly religious will be seen as crazy. But I actually can't even think of one irish person in my friend group (aged 18-21) who even strongly believes theres an after life or god

I don't know many 78-81 year olds that believe in an afterlife either, but they like to keep their options open all the same.:pac:

wakka12 · 27-05-2015 06:25PM

stefanovich wrote: »

Maybe when they get closer to death their opinions might change.

Their beliefs wont change, their hope that there is an afterlife might get stronger though.

stefanovich · 27-05-2015 06:26PM

Grids and Arrows wrote: »

My uncle died of Cancer recently, he was an atheist all his life and insisted that no priests be at his funeral.

eviltwin wrote: »

Smug and patronising, exactly what I left religion to avoid.

There are a lot of young atheists who are atheists because they want to be part of a group and use it as a replacement for religion.

Funny fact, I am not baptised, I am not religious and I do not believe in God. Still doesn't mean a lot of these people will change their mind once past the rebellious phase.

jjC123 · 27-05-2015 06:26PM

Abortion, definitely. I think transgender issues will take a long time but hopefully we'll get there.
And I'd like to think we'll see more gender balance in different professions (women in politics, men in childcare etc.)

It will also be interesting to see were medical ethics will go in terms of stem cell treatment/gene therapy and screening, 'designer babies', hormone treatment for transgender minors.

fiachr_a · 27-05-2015 06:26PM

Dwarf.Shortage wrote: »

What, if any, issue or group do you believe is treated in a manner today which twenty years hence when Ireland looks back will be seen as reprehensible and discriminatory?

Kids misdiagnosed with ADHD or Aspergers. Put on medication because they're too intelligent or can't cope in school with no male teachers, a future scandal.

eviltwin · 27-05-2015 06:29PM

stefanovich wrote: »

There are a lot of young atheists who are atheists because they want to be part of a group and use it as a replacement for religion.

Funny fact, I am not baptised, I am not religious and I do not believe in God. Still doesn't mean a lot of these people will change their mind once past the rebellious phase.

And all those people who are atheist long term, well into their middle age and beyond, are they just being rebels too?

eviltwin · 27-05-2015 06:30PM

fiachr_a wrote: »

Kids misdiagnosed with ADHD or Aspergers. Put on medication because they're too intelligent or can't cope in school with no male teachers, a future scandal.

You aren't diagnosed with Aspergers for being too intelligent or not having a male teacher. It's a social skills disorder, nothing to do with intelligence.

jjC123 · 27-05-2015 06:32PM

fiachr_a wrote: »

Kids misdiagnosed with ADHD or Aspergers. Put on medication because they're too intelligent or can't cope in school with no male teachers, a future scandal.

I actually think that schools are doing a decent enough job at diagnosing kids to be honest. Most state employed child psychologists are very reluctant to "diagnose" children too quickly unless theres ample evidence of a problem. And most aren't put on medication, it's really so they can get a few hours with a resource teacher/ their own SNA.

Obviously, heaps of room for improvement but I think medicating children tends to be more because of parents wanting it than teachers and doctors.

Dwarf.Shortage · 27-05-2015 06:32PM

eviltwin wrote: »

And all those people who are atheist long term, well into their middle age and beyond, are they just being rebels too?

Mad b**tards not believing a benevolent zombie is going to appraise our lives and decided whether or not they should go on forever.

frostyjacks · 27-05-2015 06:35PM

Dwarf.Shortage wrote: »

I'm not trying to bait you into a good ould Catholic bashing session but genuine question, could you expand on what you mean a little bit? I assume you mean good honest lay people being tarred with the mistakes of clergy and being attacked by aggressive atheists like Dawkins despite keeping their own council all their lives? or something like that.

Yes, the intolerance and hostility towards people with religious beliefs, Catholic or otherwise. I don't mind people disagreeing with someone's opinion, but it should be respected nonetheless.

Harry Palmr · 27-05-2015 06:35PM

Todays prejudice, tomorrows consensus Shirley?

Control of publicly funded and legislated bodies such as schools and hospitals by religious bodies.

Assisted dying.

Transsexuals and related "in-between" groups.

jjC123 · 27-05-2015 06:38PM

stefanovich wrote: »

There are a lot of young atheists who are atheists because they want to be part of a group and use it as a replacement for religion.

Funny fact, I am not baptised, I am not religious and I do not believe in God. Still doesn't mean a lot of these people will change their mind once past the rebellious phase.

Athiesm isn't really number one choice for a "rebellious" teenager, it's a logical choice for many (teens ARE capable of logic, despite evidence to the contrary).

Belly button piercings and binge drinking would be closer to the mark.

Roquentin · 27-05-2015 06:38PM

Dwarf.Shortage wrote: »

When David Norris first mentioned gay marriage in the Seanad he was sneered at and ignored as if the idea was as preposterous as swimming to the sun. Twenty years later the Seanad was the leading light among the political institutions on the yes side.

What, if any, issue or group do you believe is treated in a manner today which twenty years hence when Ireland looks back will be seen as reprehensible and discriminatory?

"The future belongs to those who prepare for it today." - Malcolm X

Pumpkinseeds · 27-05-2015 06:41PM

I'd like to see terminally ill people being allowed the right to assisted suicide. Currently we ignore those terminally ill people who exist in agonising pain who desperately want to end their lives but due to laws based on other people's ideas of morality, they are forced to endure that suffering.

cloud493 · 27-05-2015 06:42PM

Well I'm age 22 and I firmly believe in god and the catholic faith. Well I say that, but abortion, gay marriage/rights, and the right to assisted suicide are things I'm supportive of.

stefanovich · 27-05-2015 06:42PM

eviltwin wrote: »

And all those people who are atheist long term, well into their middle age and beyond, are they just being rebels too?

What like me? No.

ScumLord · 27-05-2015 06:46PM

Drug use. I think people will look back on the twentieth century as a cautionary tale on how not to deal with drugs. It will be seen as a bizarre blip where people created a problem much worse than the one they were trying to solve all based on propaganda and false moral outrage.. They'll wonder why it took us nearly 100 years to see that prohibition was a terrible idea.

Today consensus, tomorrows prejudice.

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