We have to ban smacking

Rosie Gardens · 27-05-2015 09:55AM #1

A UK charity took Ireland to the European court because of our rules about smacking, and the EU totally agree with them.

I don't smack my kids, never have. To me there are far better ways to discipline MY kids. Now don't get me wrong, there are times I'd LOVE to give them a slap on the backside, but I don't, mostly because I recognise I'd be doing that out of anger, and that's not a state of mind IMO that you should slap a child.

I also recognise there is a difference between a tap on the backside and a beating. I did get a few slaps when I was a child, not that many, but I did get them, I will admit to it not doing me any harm, but it's one fundamental factor into why I don't give mine a slap, I don't think I learned from it, and once you DO find your childs currency discipline becomes significantly easier, in my opinion anyway.

What you lot think?

Tony Beetroot · 27-05-2015 09:57AM

Ban smoking also.

PopePalpatine · 27-05-2015 09:57AM

I'd say the same people who wouldn't shut up about children's rights during the marriage referendum are about to whine about this being "liberal oppression". :pac:

eviltwin · 27-05-2015 09:57AM

Rightly so. I've got two kids and never raised a hand to either of them. The eldest is now an adult and has never given me any trouble. This idea that not hitting somehow leads to delinquent teens is rubbish. It's lazy parenting to rely on it as your only source of discipline.

The_Valeyard · 27-05-2015 09:57AM

But the other half, she loves a bit of spanking now and then.

eviltwin · 27-05-2015 09:58AM

PopePalpatine wrote: »

I'd say the same people who wouldn't shut up about children's rights during the marriage referendum are about to whine about this being "liberal oppression". :pac:

This.

gramar · 27-05-2015 09:58AM

Why does a UK charity give a shoite about what our smacking rules? I didn't even know there were smacking rules. Are you in Ireland OP?

galljga1 · 27-05-2015 10:00AM

I find roaring and shouting and generally terrifying the sh1t out of them works much better and don't let them near the phone.

Mint Aero · 27-05-2015 10:00AM

PopePalpatine wrote: »

I'd say the same people who wouldn't shut up about children's rights during the marriage referendum are about to whine about this being "liberal oppression". :pac:

TheDoctor · 27-05-2015 10:01AM

26 now and remember getting smacks/slaps of the wooden spoon when I was a child.
Completely against it, its basically another form of assault on a person.
Nothing positive can come from physical violence against another person.

Question: When did the original laws come in to stop smacking? This was happening to me in say the early to mid 90's
Wondering do I have a case against Mammy!!!

endacl · 27-05-2015 10:03AM

PopePalpatine wrote: »

I'd say the same people who wouldn't shut up about children's rights during the marriage referendum are about to whine about this being "liberal oppression". :pac:

Stop bullying meeeeeeeeeeeee!!!!!!!

:pac:

Rosie Gardens · 27-05-2015 10:03AM

gramar wrote: »

Why does a UK charity give a shoite about what our smacking rules? I didn't even know there were smacking rules. Are you in Ireland OP?

I don't know why they did, I was a bit surprised meself when I seen it this morning. they looked at our laws, took it upon themselves to bring it to the EU. I do remember when it was outlawed in schools, but I don't remember it happening in the schools I went to in any case. I'm Irish based in Ireland working abroad.

anncoates · 27-05-2015 10:03AM

Rosie Gardens wrote: »

A UK charity took Ireland to the European court because of our rules about smacking, and the EU totally agree with them.

I don't smack my kids, never have. To me there are far better ways to discipline MY kids. Now don't get me wrong, there are times I'd LOVE to give them a slap on the backside, but I don't, mostly because I recognise I'd be doing that out of anger, and that's not a state of mind IMO that you should slap a child.

I also recognise there is a difference between a tap on the backside and a beating. I did get a few slaps when I was a child, not that many, but I did get them, I will admit to it not doing me any harm, but it's one fundamental factor into why I don't give mine a slap, I don't think I learned from it, and once you DO find your childs currency discipline becomes significantly easier, in my opinion anyway.

What you lot think?

For somebody browbeating other parents about supposed loss of control/violence, your scattergun use of caps makes you sound quite intemperate and hectoring yourself.

The_Valeyard · 27-05-2015 10:03AM

Many a time I was got with the Irish mammies nuclear weapon -the wooden spoon. Same with other family members, same with my mates, same with he neighbours kids......

Everyone turned out fine, no emotional trauma, no rocking backwards in the corner of a room.

So I am very much undecided on this issue.
But the EU can have the middle finger in telling us what to do.

kunst nugget · 27-05-2015 10:04AM

galljga1 wrote: »

I find roaring and shouting and generally terrifying the sh1t out of them works much better and don't let them near the phone.

I just use passive-aggressive behaviour instead to do the psychological damage.

Captain Chaos · 27-05-2015 10:05AM

Personally I think lack of this is a problem with the latest generation running a muck. If I did something wrong I got a smack, didn't do it again. Parents today just tell their kids to stop being bold and the kid just carries on regardless, no deterrent. I see it every day and think to myself if acted even slightly like this I'd be walloped into behaving myself and I would do it.

27-05-2015 10:06AM

Rosie Gardens wrote: »

I don't smack my kids, never have. To me there are far better ways to discipline MY kids. Now don't get me wrong, there are times I'd LOVE to give them a slap on the backside, but I don't, mostly because I recognise I'd be doing that out of anger, and that's not a state of mind IMO that you should slap a child.

There's the thing, slapping out of anger isn't the right way to do it. When ya see something like a kid running towards a road and the parent catching them and hitting them it's wrong because it was the parent's fault and they're letting emotion get the better of them.

The odd slap here and there really isn't a big deal and conflating a slap on the arse with a battering is just ridiculous.

osarusan · 27-05-2015 10:06AM

Slapping isn't the worst. It's stabbing that should be banned.

Although saying that my parents gave me a few stabs now and then as a child and I can't say it did me any harm.

anncoates · 27-05-2015 10:08AM

The idea that a ban on smacking can actually be enforced is a bit laughable. As in smacking to the extent that wouldn't be covered by assault, obviously.

Do you honestly think somebody is going to get sent to jail or fined for smacking a child on the arse a few times? Or that the word of a minor will be taken as sufficient proof.

Rosie Gardens · 27-05-2015 10:08AM

anncoates wrote: »

For somebody browbeating other parents about supposed loss of control/violence, your scattergun use of caps makes you sound quite intemperate and hectoring yourself.

No browbeating of anyone. If you're feeling that my dear, probably says more about you!

anncoates · 27-05-2015 10:09AM

Rosie Gardens wrote: »

If you're feeling that my dear, probably says more about you!

Passive aggression now. The full amoury, eh.

Rosie Gardens · 27-05-2015 10:10AM

anncoates wrote: »

Passive aggression now. The full amoury, eh.

Slightly over sensitive and patronising aren't ya?

27-05-2015 10:11AM

Captain Chaos wrote: »

Personally I think lack of this is a problem with the latest generation running a muck. If I did something wrong I got a smack, didn't do it again. Parents today just tell their kids to stop being bold and the kid just carries on regardless, no deterrent. I see it every day and think to myself if acted even slightly like this I'd be walloped into behaving myself and I would do it.

Send them to Borstal, worked well before! :P

Tombi! · 27-05-2015 10:12AM

I'd appreciate it. At least so kids aren't been given beatings that'd put a professional boxer to shame.

I'm aware not all parents that do favour hitting their children are going to beat them but it'd still be nice to give kids the same protection adults have

kunst nugget · 27-05-2015 10:13AM

Deleted User wrote: »

There's the thing, slapping out of anger isn't the right way to do it. When ya see something like a kid running towards a road and the parent catching them and hitting them it's wrong because it was the parent's fault and they're letting emotion get the better of them.

The odd slap here and there really isn't a big deal and conflating a slap on the arse with a battering is just ridiculous.

I'm not sure how slapping that isn't out of anger is any better…

27-05-2015 10:14AM

kunst nugget wrote: »

I'm not sure how slapping that isn't out of anger is any better…

It's like training a dog, ya don't punish them for your mistake.

CruelCoin · 27-05-2015 10:15AM

There's a massive difference between a beating and a light slap on the back of the hand.

There are some things need punishment that goes beyond the naughty step.

The naughty step, witholding of treats/internet/etc is obviously the first recourse, but i reserve my right as a parent to discipline my children anyway i see fit, regardless how the jobsworths in brussels see it.

kunst nugget · 27-05-2015 10:15AM

Deleted User wrote: »

It's like training a dog, ya don't punish them for your mistake.

Ha, grand. If you equate raising a child to training a dog, you're doing it wrong…

eviltwin · 27-05-2015 10:15AM

anncoates wrote: »

The idea that a ban on smacking can actually be enforced is a bit laughable. As in smacking to the extent that wouldn't be covered by assault, obviously.

Do you honestly think somebody is going to get sent to jail or fined for smacking a child on the arse a few times? Or that the word of a minor will be taken as sufficient proof.

It's not really about that, it's about making the idea of slapping socially unacceptable so people self police.

Un Croissant · 27-05-2015 10:16AM

Is there anything more pathetic than someone slapping their kids in public?

Maybe a loud alcoholic..

Often times they are one and the same.

That's Limerick city!!

27-05-2015 10:16AM

CruelCoin wrote: »

There's a massive difference between a beating and a light slap on the back of the hand.

There are some things need punishment that goes beyond the naughty step.

The naughty step, witholding of treats/internet/etc is obviously the first recourse, but i reserve my right as a parent to discipline my children anyway i see fit, regardless how the jobsworths in brussels see it.

Would explaining what they're doing wrong not come before the naughty step?

And really, there should be no limit at all on what parents do to their kids?

We have to ban smacking

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