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Greengrass1 · 23-05-2015 11:29AM

Let out 20 calved this morning.........spent 1 hr gathering them up. 2 went though fence and over ditch
One ran a mile down road to neighbours 49ac wheat field. Lucky his gates were closed or we would never have found her
other ran down house entrance through another fence through a field and ended up with the cows.

Great Craic all together

whelan2 · 23-05-2015 11:42AM

Do you let them run around yard for a few hours before letting them out?

farmerjj · 23-05-2015 11:44AM

Hopefully my calves wont have much running today, it'll be there 1st day out, hopefully the hungry will put a holt to it, haven't had anything to eat since this time yesterday..

farmersfriend · 23-05-2015 11:45AM

Greengrass1 wrote: »

Let out 20 calved this morning.........spent 1 hr gathering them up. 2 went though fence and over ditch
One ran a mile down road to neighbours 49ac wheat field. Lucky his gates were closed or we would never have found her
other ran down house entrance through another fence through a field and ended up with the cows.

Great Craic all together

Just getting the children out here to help us move the calves out of shed to field

Greengrass1 · 23-05-2015 11:56AM

whelan2 wrote: »

Do you let them run around yard for a few hours before letting them out?

Had them on the silage pit for am hour. Just went mad when they got into the field. Plan on moving them ahead of cows

Brown Podzol · 23-05-2015 12:23PM

Greengrass1 wrote: »

Had them on the silage pit for am hour. Just went mad when they got into the field. Plan on moving them ahead of cows

Tape around the house,yard for a few days. They can't see wire especially in bright sunshine. Tape around the paddock . Put cows into paddock and leave calves out. Bring in the cows this evening and the calves will stay in the paddock.

Deepsouthwest · 23-05-2015 01:08PM

Dawggone wrote: »

Two cows aborted since last night. Both seven months in calf. Calves deformed.
SBV. Here we go again.

U certainly seem to be getting a real raw deal with SBV. Is it common with other farmers in ur area to be affected so badly with it?

Dawggone · 23-05-2015 08:13PM

Deepsouthwest wrote: »

U certainly seem to be getting a real raw deal with SBV. Is it common with other farmers in ur area to be affected so badly with it?

There are more biting insects around bigger herds, and any of the bigger herds in the area are never outdoors.
It's the downside of grass grazing I reckon.
Then, I could be totally wrong...maybe it's just bad luck?

Edit. A cow spat out a pair of deformed twins this evening. Not all bad as she will come to milk as 8 months in calf.

jaymla627 · 23-05-2015 08:27PM

Dawggone wrote: »

There are more biting insects around bigger herds, and any of the bigger herds in the area are never outdoors.
It's the downside of grass grazing I reckon.
Then, I could be totally wrong...maybe it's just bad luck?

Edit. A cow spat out a pair of deformed twins this evening. Not all bad as she will come to milk as 8 months in calf.

Do you find its affecting your submission rates at breeding too, had 6 heifers scanned in calf last year that subsequently slipped the calves at 2 months, where ment to be February calvers the last of them is going to pop tonite with the other 5 calving the last week, had very high readings for sbv on my bulk tank readings at the time and a lot of more repeats then usual around that time

Dawggone · 23-05-2015 08:33PM

jaymla627 wrote: »

Do you find its affecting your submission rates at breeding too, had 6 heifers scanned in calf last year that subsequently slipped the calves at 2 months, where ment to be February calvers the last of them is going to pop tonite with the other 5 calving the last week, had very high readings for sbv on my bulk tank readings at the time and a lot of more repeats then usual around that time

I definitely has a huge impact on fertility Jay.
We scan everything twice (35 and 120 days) and frequently they are empty at the second scan, or have submitted again.

kevthegaff · 23-05-2015 08:40PM

Dawggone wrote: »

I definitely has a huge impact on fertility Jay.
We scan everything twice (35 and 120 days) and frequently they are empty at the second scan, or have submitted again.

Jes thats a killer, are u needing more replacements daw or just later calving pattern? Would u lose the odd cow from difficult calving sbv related?

Dawggone · 23-05-2015 08:50PM

kevthegaff wrote: »

Jes thats a killer, are u needing more replacements daw or just later calving pattern? Would u lose the odd cow from difficult calving sbv related?

Pretty much ayr calving here albeit in blocks.
We buy cows in milk, usually second calvers.

Greengrass1 · 23-05-2015 09:01PM

Dawggone wrote: »

I definitely has a huge impact on fertility Jay.
We scan everything twice (35 and 120 days) and frequently they are empty at the second scan, or have submitted again.

Could scanning them at 35 days be killing the embryo? Just an opinion.

jaymla627 · 23-05-2015 09:01PM

Dawggone wrote: »

I definitely has a huge impact on fertility Jay.
We scan everything twice (35 and 120 days) and frequently they are empty at the second scan, or have submitted again.

Apart from this group we had 5 cows slip calves early on too, sickener with the heifers was they where all in calf with sexed semen, ended up with one heifer out of the six in the end, also had a few cows come down with pneumonia at the time too that showed up clear on swabs for ibr etc but never tested for sbv reckon it was the cause their too as vaccinating for ibr

Dawggone · 23-05-2015 09:11PM

Greengrass1 wrote: »

Could scanning them at 35 days be killing the embryo? Just an opinion.

They wouldn't all be at 35days, some would be up to 50days.
Maybe it's a possibility but I doubt it Gg.

Dawggone · 23-05-2015 09:13PM

jaymla627 wrote: »

Apart from this group we had 5 cows slip calves early on too, sickener with the heifers was they where all in calf with sexed semen, ended up with one heifer out of the six in the end, also had a few cows come down with pneumonia at the time too that showed up clear on swabs for ibr etc but never tested for sbv reckon it was the cause their too as vaccinating for ibr

What would be your milk urea reading?

jaymla627 · 23-05-2015 09:19PM

Dawggone wrote: »

What would be your milk urea reading?

18 to 25 normal range and never over 28, cows are followed with fert as they graze off paddocks so embryo loss due to excess n shouldn't be a issue, cows where definetly hit with some kind of virus here at breeding last year, spent thousands doing tests gave up when a cow that had been randomly tested went down with pneumonia two weeks after and tests showed up noting each time

Dawggone · 23-05-2015 09:29PM

jaymla627 wrote: »

18 to 25 normal range and never over 28, cows are followed with fert as they graze off paddocks so embryo loss due to excess n shouldn't be a issue, cows where definetly hit with some kind of virus here at breeding last year, spent thousands doing tests gave up when a cow that had been randomly tested went down with pneumonia two weeks after and tests showed up noting each time

I've no idea so.
Tbh I wouldn't like that sort of hassle. At least I know what we have to deal with here!
Have you tried Dr. Dan Ryan in Cork?

frazzledhome · 23-05-2015 10:30PM

Dawg, probably stating the obvious but am wondering have you tried a pour on insect repellant of fly tags.

We had a teat spray yrs ago with peppermint in it was great for keeping flies away from cows.

Milked out · 23-05-2015 11:27PM

Dawg what is the reason the french ag authorities don't want to try and vaccinate for Sbv?

Dawggone · 23-05-2015 11:29PM

frazzledhome wrote: »

Dawg, probably stating the obvious but am wondering have you tried a pour on insect repellant of fly tags.

We had a teat spray yrs ago with peppermint in it was great for keeping flies away from cows.

Use Flectron fly tags along with Deltamethrin pour-on (Versatrine, Butox). Useless.
Spray on diesel works best. Still not the solution though.

Also tried garlic added to buffer. Useless.
Tried citronella. Useless.

There is also a nasty bacteria carried by ordinary house flies that causes the eye to inflame, turn white, and then eye is lost. Arrived from North Africa a few years back. Can be controlled by antibiotics injected into the eye. It's one job I just can't do...:(

Dawggone · 23-05-2015 11:31PM

Milked out wrote: »

Dawg what is the reason the french ag authorities don't want to try and vaccinate for Sbv?

Bullshyte is the reason.
They believe that natural immunity is better for the herd (nationally) than vaccination.

jaymla627 · 24-05-2015 03:04AM

Dawggone wrote: »

I've no idea so.
Tbh I wouldn't like that sort of hassle. At least I know what we have to deal with here!
Have you tried Dr. Dan Ryan in

It's a mind f**k to be honest but no point in letting it get to us, things seem to have settled down this year so hoping for a better 2016 all going well

Brown Podzol · 24-05-2015 08:10AM

Dawggone wrote: »

I've no idea so.
Tbh I wouldn't like that sort of hassle. At least I know what we have to deal with here!
Have you tried Dr. Dan Ryan in Cork?

Dan the Scan.

http://www.cowsdna.com/

frazzledhome · 24-05-2015 09:29AM

Brown Podzol wrote: »

Dan the Scan.

http://www.cowsdna.com/

Do you use him?
All we ever got was a big bill, eaten out of house and home, a long list of hormones and phuck all more cows in calf. Lesson learned:(

Blackgrass · 24-05-2015 09:39AM

*Edit:pac:

Brown Podzol wrote: »

Dan the Scam.

http://www.cowsdna.com/

frazzledhome wrote: »

Do you use him?
All we ever got was a big bill, eaten out of house and home, a long list of hormones and phuck all more cows in calf. Lesson learned:(

? more like it then Frazz?

dar31 · 24-05-2015 10:27AM

frazzledhome wrote: »

Do you use him?
All we ever got was a big bill, eaten out of house and home, a long list of hormones and phuck all more cows in calf. Lesson learned:(

Same here, only used him the once, used to much intervention and drugs.

stretch film · 24-05-2015 10:38AM

dar31 wrote: »

Same here, only used him the once, used to much intervention and drugs.

Always seems to be scaremongering on his findo piece. Time is everything. If youve got a well fed cow with a genetic predisposition to going in calf then time will generally sort them out .if you go looking for problems you'll find em in fresh calvers imo

stretch film · 24-05-2015 10:39AM

Did you sort the mower out dar

trixi2011 · 24-05-2015 10:43AM

dar31 wrote: »

Same here, only used him the once, used to much intervention and drugs.

What sort of drugs were they using?

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