Same Sex Marriage Referendum Mega Thread - MOD WARNING IN FIRST POST

traprunner wrote: »

Don't blame the receiver. It is the senders job to ensure that the receiver will be able to understand the message.

Lyaiera wrote: »

Not at university level.

DaisyDLady wrote: »

No , Its the responsibility of Irish Citizens to care enough about there country, to go educate themselves and make informed decisions.

Erm, I was asking the question to allow a chance for the poster to explain. A chance which the poster didn't take. I understood what he was saying, I was making sure they understood what they were saying

Maximus Alexander wrote: »

My view on it is that plenty of people will have voted no out of ignorance, and that doesn't make them homophobes, or bad people.

I'll just call them can'ts.

Not a NSA agent wrote: »

The bit at the end



As I read it I was wondering if these people had a history, I was right.

I read it thinking, was La Pen on that?

I will be honest and say I have yet to see a no argument that does not appear to come from a homophobic mindset. Still I really try to understand these people:

Wulfie wrote: »

This whole vote was designed to split families, friends and the people who were baying for blueshirt blood early on in the year.

So its a conspiracy now? Come on man. You cannot really believe that. This is beyond silly.

Wulfie wrote: »

Women seem to think, if a man wants to take it up the arse and make a legal contract to keep taking and giving,that's lovely. A binding contract for anal servitude.

I find it hard to, really hard to see how this is not coming from a homophobic mindset.


Lets address this. Firstly, "women seem to think?" What are you getting at here? Only women are okay with "the gays" is it? Well I could easily imagine some homophobic woman logging onto boards after a few cans and having a rant about how "Men don't seem to see anything wrong with it, they seem to love the auld gays, sure they watch them in porn all the time, two women rubbing their bits against each other, sure that's not real sex. Disgusting.. " bla bla etc etc.

Do you see how preposterous you sound?

Secondly :

Wulfie wrote: »

if a man wants to take it up the arse and make a legal contract to keep taking and giving,that's lovely. A binding contract for anal servitude.

Oh wow going into the evils of anal sex is it? Something plenty of heterosexual couples enjoy also and hell I'm sure there's plenty of gay couples who aren't even into it. Is that really your problem? You just hate people who enjoy anal sex? Somehow I doubt it. It seems to be only if its just men doing it. But wtf man? Do you think people expect you to enjoy that imagery?

Listen I'm gonna be straight with yea here. You and me are the same. If I turn on the TV and I see two men kissing, I'm probably gonna think 'ewww' however where I feel we differ is that I understand why I go "ewww" and I'm okay with it. It doesn't bother me and I don't care. Its just part of life and part of being a human straight male. And I would ferociously oppose any attempt to say that was wrong to be have on TV just because I felt this way. It would be hypocritical of me to do otherwise.

What do I mean? I mean sex itself IS disgusting. Remember, we're mammals.
Disgust is a natural human reaction built in to protect us from germs and so on. When we're children the idea of kissing girls, or being anywhere near a girls mouth and saliva is a disgusting concept. Of course it would be. Its just that yet another built in feature is our sexual drive, which overrides PART of our inbuilt disgust reactions, when it comes to which ever gender you are attracted to.

This is why if it was two hot girls kissing there would more likely be a "niiiice" versus a "ewww" reaction. Even though both are homosexual acts.

When its two men there is nothing to override our disgust reaction and so it kicks in as it should. Theres nothing wrong with that. No one is saying your suppose to enjoy watching gay sex ffs.

But its wrong to deny people happiness just because of something you feel. We all share this world and have to put up with various things that disgust some of us and not the others. I wouldn't be surprised if some gay men find lesbian porn disgusting to watch as there's nothing there to override their disgust mechanism.

I wouldn't be into a night out in the George as people of told me its the gay version of coppers and I just know its not an scene I'd enjoy being in considering I can't ****ing stand coppers! But this has no bearing on my opinion of "gay people" just as coppers has no bearing on my opinion of "heterosexual people". To do so would be ridiculous. You see, at the end of the day we're all the fckin same.

Gay people are just people. Just like everyone else. And while we all have so many differences across our species, at the end of the day we're just as much the same as everyone else too.


But my theory is, is that a lot of homophobia just comes from simple people. Who turn on the TV and see two gay men kissing and go "eeeww" but then they feel angry that they were made go "eww" because they feel "the gay agenda says I'm a bad person because I felt "ewww" instead of "awesome"." How dare they say I'm the bad guy, if I feel eww it must mean YOU are whats wrong. AND all the evil media people that try to make me feel bad because I felt 'eww" they must be all run by the agents of the gay agenda too. And look, THE GOVERNMENTS IN ON IT. cue x-files music etc.

You know, just like those conspiracy theory guys. Once you actually try to educate yourself and learn some critical thinking skills, you might actually learn the world is a much better place than you've been thinking it was all these years.

Seriously man, irrationally hating on a certain percentage of the population of humanity must be a real downer. There is enough actual real **** in this world to be worrying about with out that on your plate.


Honestly though I'm not trying to flame and attack you here, really just trying to understand you.

If this vote passes as a yes it'll be an extremely proud moment in our nations history. Everyone should be thrilled about this. Its such a shame some people are so blinded by hate and ignorance.

Wulfie wrote: »

The presidential thing was to split the age gap.
A lad at work thought ,if he didn't vote ,it would be counted as a no vote. True.
The gays and sympathisers will have turned out in droves. I forgot to vote on my way home from work and got in there at 9.50.
I know my vote won't count for much,because I took the unpopular viewpoint.
I got a chanceto put my view to Simon Covney today at work. He then seemed to try and convince me to vote yes.
Anyway I spoke to him and his gorgeous redhead guide/security,for the best part of 10 minutes.
Better than silently fuming over this bulls hit nonsense.

That's this fence over. What next?

Gintonious wrote: »

Fairy cakes for everyone!

I'll have a cream pie. Eeeuuurrr.

The meltdown on twitter from the serious No people is delicious to view.

I voted yes, but I will vote NO to gay divorce. You made all this commotion for your decision. You can live with it.

Paramite Pie wrote: »

I disagree. I heard some people say that gay movement started as a counter-culture movement and should have tried to propose something new or even break down marriage altogether (a bit out there!). Others would be fine with Civil Partnership extended to include the differences and enshrined in the constitution, although that is really just refusing to call a spade a spade.

And a lot of people have their hearts in the right place but just are coming from a very different mindset to ours. I'm gay and I've met plenty 'o homophobes, including ones who didn't realise it. I know which No voters are and aren't 'phobes when I speak to them.

Again, I didn't not say the people themselves where homophobes, I said the reasons for voting no were homophobic. Saying gay people should want or have something "equal, but diffferent" (as in, "they can't have what I have") for instance. People may genuinely believe that from a place of love and concern - but it doesn't make the reasoning behind it ("us and them") not homophobic. Gay rights being relegated to "counter culture" status is bs, tbh. Heterosexual people have no right to tell LGBT people what their struggle is or isn't for or about. It diminishes it to call it simply a counter-cultural movement that appears to have gotten a bit uppity in transforming into a fight for equal not different rights. I say that as a heterosexual person.

There is a difference. People can do racist things and not realise it. Their hearts can be in the right place too. I don't think those people are racists, just not fully informed.