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  • #9092
    smokingman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,795 ✭✭✭smokingman


    gormdubhgorm wrote: »
    The church no side could have ended up making people vote yes if that makes sense!?

    No, it was all Iona and mafm to be honest. Real life Catholics seem to like that Dublin Martin archbishop and he never really came out with naked hatred like the others did.


  • #9093
    darced
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,056 ✭✭✭darced


    This post has been deleted.


  • #9094
    efb
    Closed Accounts Posts: 35,514 ✭✭✭✭efb


    marco_polo wrote: »
    I don't ever recall exit polls for previous referenda either, no idea why but RTE only seem to do it for elections.

    I don't think they even do foe elections


  • #9095
    MathDebater
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 958 ✭✭✭MathDebater


    What do people make of this letter?

    http://cdn1.independent.ie/incoming/article31242590.ece/d65d5/ALTERNATES/w620/mep-letter-to-schulz-on-irish-referendum-2.jpg
    Irish voters have been subjected to a campaign of “fear and intimidation” in the lead-up to the marriage equality referendum, a group of European politicians have claimed.

    In an open letter to the President of the European Parliament on May 19, several MEPs have asked its President, Martin Schulz, to intervene against the referendum. 

    “As you might be aware of, the Irish citizens will vote this Friday 22 May in a referendum aimed at amending the Irish Constitution… unfortunately, a climate of fear and intimidation has pervaded throughout the campaign, creating electoral conditions that are far from free and fair,” it writes.

    With the exception of the non-aligned Edouard Ferrand from France’s Front National, the signatories of the letter are all members of the European Conservatives and Reformist Group.

    Included are Germany’s Beatrix von Storch and Arne Gericke, Branislav Skripek from Slovakia, and Poland’s Marek Jurek and Kazimier Ujazdowski.

    “What has taken place in Ireland over the past few months is unacceptable for an EU member state,” they write.

    The MEPs claim that all Irish political parties are campaigning for the Yes side and “have threatened their members with expulsion unless they follow the party line.”

    They warn that the multinational corporations based in Ireland are forcing their Irish employees to campaign for the Yes side, under a “veiled threat that is not hard to detect… [given] a difficult period for the Irish economy.”

    Most disturbing of all, the letter claims, is that the Gardai are actively involved in supporting the Yes campaign.

    It reads: "[This is] particularly sinister considering that the police in Ireland are charged with securing the integrity of the voting stations and the vote counting procedure.”

    The letter ends with a call for President Schulz to intervene in the referendum, as “its integrity... has been seriously compromised.”

    “This attitude to democracy is contradictory to core values of European Union, therefore we appeal, Mr President, for your intervention which we perceive indispensable.”


    http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/meps-claim-voters-have-been-intimidated-into-supporting-yes-campaign-call-for-eu-intervention-31242597.html


  • #9096
    RoadhouseBlues
    Closed Accounts Posts: 631 ✭✭✭RoadhouseBlues


    YFlyer wrote: »
    Maybe because they find you good looking.

    I just meant that people have used it as an insult to me over the years. That's what I meant about bigots. Maybe the next generation wont give this a thought. Hopefully.


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  • #9097
    IsMiseMyself
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,268 ✭✭✭IsMiseMyself


    CaveCanem wrote: »
    Yeah, it's a hell of a turnaround. When I was younger I was the victim of mericless homophobic bullying for about three or four years despite the fact that I am straight, just because I didn't fit in I was branded gay and abused. Now some of the very same people are apoplectic that anyone could even consider voting no on Facebook.

    I think it will make a big change, I don't know what changed these people's opinion since then but it is no longer acceptable for a teacher to laugh at you and tell you to toughen up. We may even be close to a situation where true homophobes are the ones who have something to fear when their intolerance actually gives them something to worry about.

    I think a lot of it comes down to visibility. Like, when I was a teenager my mother hated gay people--though in a sort of abstract, institutionalized way. You know: "ew gay people and their unnatural urges."

    Then she discovered Gok Wan and her opinion changed. She loves Gok and Frank that does the weddings and that little gay hotelier fella on RTE? There was a lesbian couple on one of the soaps she watched and that was vital to her changing her mind too.

    I think gay people were kind of an abstraction to her and then TV (sounds weird but whatever) made her see gay people as actual people and not just that one family member everyone whispered about. I'd say it's probably the same for a lot of the older generation: LGBT people are a lot more visible now on TV and in real life--and that very much de-demonises them; the realisation that LGBT are just people too with the same wants and goals as hetero folk.


  • #9098
    Ave Sodalis
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,555 ✭✭✭Ave Sodalis


    darced wrote: »
    This post has been deleted.

    Um, I don't know I haven't been reading their posts but I don't agree with that, if that's what they were saying.


  • #9099
    Sir Oxman
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,492 ✭✭✭Sir Oxman


    foozzybear61 wrote: »
    No I haven't been miss informed neither have I wasted my Vote

    I have expressed my voice to register my concerns, Nobody gave me the option to have a say on the adoption rights issue ?( if they did and I missed that opportunity then slap my hand)..
    I didn't get a say in the civil partnership bill. which I am in favour of by the way...again adults can make their own decisions.
    Will you support further "enforcement " of equal rights should they arise or will you be selective /

    You do realise there HAD to be a plebiscite to 100% give equality to our homosexual brethren.
    There was no other way?
    Adoption, Membership of the Jedi Church and surrogacy won't need a popular vote.


  • #9100
    YFlyer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,713 ✭✭✭YFlyer


    sup_dude wrote: »
    This really. I believe that many of the No voters are doing so out of simple ignorance

    Surprised that there was no No campaigners on campus.


  • #9101
    Ave Sodalis
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,555 ✭✭✭Ave Sodalis


    MathDebater wrote: »
    What do people make of this letter?

    http://cdn1.independent.ie/incoming/article31242590.ece/d65d5/ALTERNATES/w620/mep-letter-to-schulz-on-irish-referendum-2.jpg



    http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/meps-claim-voters-have-been-intimidated-into-supporting-yes-campaign-call-for-eu-intervention-31242597.html


    I think they need to be paying more attention...


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  • #9102
    RoadhouseBlues
    Closed Accounts Posts: 631 ✭✭✭RoadhouseBlues


    SafeSurfer wrote: »
    Hi roadhouseblues. I agree with you. And everybody labelling others "bigots" should be clear on the definition.

    bigot
    ˈbɪɡət/
    noun
    a person who is intolerant towards those holding different opinions.
    "don't let a few small-minded bigots destroy the good image of the city"
    synonyms: dogmatist, partisan, sectarian, prejudiced person; More

    My apologies. I hold my paw up. I used the wrong word. That is my fault.


  • #9103
    PopePalpatine
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,168 ✭✭✭✭PopePalpatine


    MathDebater wrote: »
    What do people make of this letter?

    http://cdn1.independent.ie/incoming/article31242590.ece/d65d5/ALTERNATES/w620/mep-letter-to-schulz-on-irish-referendum-2.jpg



    http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/meps-claim-voters-have-been-intimidated-into-supporting-yes-campaign-call-for-eu-intervention-31242597.html

    Sour grapes from butthurt homophobes.


  • #9104
    Zen65
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,630 ✭✭✭Zen65


    Knasher wrote: »
    I kinda hope you look away when straight people are doing it too. Cause that is a little creepy otherwise.

    I don't even notice it anymore if it's a straight embrace / hand-touch or kiss . . . it's an age thing

    LOL - I probably should look away, it might seem creepy for an old man to be staring


  • #9105
    frostyjacks
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,951 ✭✭✭frostyjacks


    sunshine and showers wrote: »
    Where that idea of marriage comes from is homophobic reasoning, usually from a religious basis of "being gay is a sin". Are you reading my posts? I am not calling people homophobic. :

    Male-female marriage comes from homophobic reasoning? You're putting the cart before the horse here I think.


  • #9106
    fr336
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,179 ✭✭✭✭fr336


    MathDebater wrote: »
    What do people make of this letter?

    http://cdn1.independent.ie/incoming/article31242590.ece/d65d5/ALTERNATES/w620/mep-letter-to-schulz-on-irish-referendum-2.jpg

    "Each of the signatories has campaigned against gay rights in the European Parliament"

    All I need to know!


  • #9107
    Ave Sodalis
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,555 ✭✭✭Ave Sodalis


    YFlyer wrote: »
    Surprised that there was no No campaigners on campus.

    I've a friend and I'm surprised he wasn't campaigning for No. He's a Yes voter but he has a tendancy to fight for the other side for some strange reason. He started the No campaign for some clubs&socs vote (can't remember what it was) and then went and voted Yes. He's done the same with this referendum so I'm actually quite surprised not to see him out and about.


  • #9108
    Sir Oxman
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,492 ✭✭✭Sir Oxman


    Wibbs wrote: »
    Even though I'd not agree with much of what you're saying FB, I do say fair play for running agin the herd. I generally have far more respect for those who change positions because they thought about it rather than those who just go with the flow with whatever the groupthink tide reckons, regardless of the position of said groupthink. If this was 40 years ago the result would be very different, even though the same basic people would be in the mix*.

    The Mob(™) is easily influenced for both good and ill and happy to regurgitate verbatim whichever side is influencing them. And of course both claim the objective high ground and authority.

    Then again, by nature I'm an iconoclast, so I would think like that.

    Oh I voted yes BTW, lest any of the Rainbow Warriors on their ArseBook page types take umbrage. Taking all info into consideration it seemed the logical choice. Mainly because there are already gay folks in marriages in all but name out there, so why deny them the legal protection everyone else has? Plus the sky ain't gonna fall down if they get them.







    *There is for me a large element in Ireland of any chance to "stick it to the Catholic Church" by proxy and as a guilt driven retrospective thing going on. The transition from a majority of god botherers and craw thumpers to a majority "meh" state was an incredibly quick one. Less than a decade. Not quite enough to decompress so we can suffer from the odd attack of the cultural bends. There can be an echo of guilt at how we went along with that guff so easily and for so long and sometimes we're all too eager to prove our New Ireland credentials.

    But that poster didn't really think it through and wind up "anti-herd" whatever that bloody means.


  • #9109
    StewartGriffin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,284 ✭✭✭StewartGriffin


    RoadhouseBlues wrote: »
    Hope no one minds me dipping my paw in here.
    RoadhouseBlues wrote: »
    My apologies. I hold my paw up.

    What are you? a Cat?


  • #9110
    Maximus Alexander
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,080 ✭✭✭✭Maximus Alexander


    My view on it is that plenty of people will have voted no out of ignorance, and that doesn't make them homophobes, or bad people. I think they had a duty to their fellow citizens to educate themselves on the issue, but I also won't berate them for it, because I make mistakes myself. I'm ignorant too sometimes.

    The people running the No campaign though - they were homophobes. They weren't ignorant, they knew exactly what they were doing, they knew the truth behind every lie that they were spreading. They were perfectly fine with lying, misdirecting and using fear as a weapon to get what they wanted, and they deserve the scorn that is so richly heaped upon them.


  • #9111
    efb
    Closed Accounts Posts: 35,514 ✭✭✭✭efb


    Cold War Kid wrote: »
    Well he's a catholic cardinal so I'd be very surprised if he spoke in favour of a "yes" outcome. But his nonsense of "the greatest evil in our society" is the breakdown of the traditional family unit... lol, right after talking about child sexual abuse, and it's the *other* thing that's "the greatest evil"?!

    thats what I mean! Like seriously, perspective Cormac!


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  • #9112
    Fuzzytrooper
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 896 ✭✭✭Fuzzytrooper


    Is anyone else disappointed that there was no atari jaguar option on the referendum?


  • #9113
    mylefttesticle
    Closed Accounts Posts: 305 ✭✭mylefttesticle


    MathDebater wrote: »
    What do people make of this letter?

    http://cdn1.independent.ie/incoming/article31242590.ece/d65d5/ALTERNATES/w620/mep-letter-to-schulz-on-irish-referendum-2.jpg



    http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/meps-claim-voters-have-been-intimidated-into-supporting-yes-campaign-call-for-eu-intervention-31242597.html


    It means they are f*cked and they fear for their respective roles in society.


  • #9114
    Alt J
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 111 ✭✭Alt J


    I wish the debating could stop haha, the polls are finished. Lock it up till tomorrow when we get the result :)


  • #9115
    sunshine and showers
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,027 ✭✭✭sunshine and showers


    frostyjacks wrote: »
    Male-female marriage comes from homophobic reasoning? You're putting the cart before the horse here I think.

    No people believing marriage can ONLY be male-female does.


  • #9116
    YFlyer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,713 ✭✭✭YFlyer


    RoadhouseBlues wrote: »
    I just meant that people have used it as an insult to me over the years. That's what I meant about bigots. Maybe the next generation wont give this a thought. Hopefully.

    My name is Ray. So in school, I used to get slagged Ray the Gay. These guys are now good friends of mine. Could be just a teenage thing.


  • #9117
    JamboMac
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,953 ✭✭✭JamboMac


    mylefttesticle wrote: »
    Point being what is the bigger picture you speak off? if you can answer that then maybe we can have a discussion on it.

    I have read lots on it and it comes down to a simple thing. You either want to legitimize same sex marriage or you don't. It really is that simple. If you are talking about how we see parents and how we see children as a consequence of that then yes things will change in time and why is that so bad? you cant sweep these things under the carpet and wish them away.

    One of the many flawed arguments is the supposed bullying of same sex children because of having two mammies and two daddies and that may well be true but that doesn't go away by denying equality it goes away by having a progressive society that is ready to tackle these issues in a whole and holistic way that includes all members of society and ironically if you ostracize one part of society from having the same rights as everyone else then you can hardly be the moral authority on how bullies should behave.

    The world evolves and the world changes and you may not agree with it but you cant really stop it either because that is what leads to a disenfranchised population and eventually an unhappy existence.

    Instead of looking at the negatives take a look at the positives of today, the unity of people has never been as strong as it was today, that is a beautiful thing.

    Ok I'm potentially be a little on controversial but this ultimately doesn't only effect a homosexual couple but a straight one also through IVF and surrogate parents.
    Now I'd like to say first of all I don't believe children raised by homosexual are at a disadvantage in life and adoption can be clear cut.

    But what I believe is their has to be some sort of law that if a child is ultimately created in an IVF type surrogate mother/sperm downer scenario that child has a legal right when older to find whoever was involved in creating them.

    So in the case of let's to men have a woman be their surrogate, the child of said couple has some form of legal right to know its mothers history and potentially meet in the future or something along those lines as I said it would the situation for straight couple.

    But yes it has more relevance here as neither 2 men nor 2 women can create a child.

    I probably didn't explain it right and I'm sure some people probably see it similar to the no campaign stuff.


  • #9118
    molloyjh
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,767 ✭✭✭✭molloyjh


    MathDebater wrote: »
    What do people make of this letter?

    http://cdn1.independent.ie/incoming/article31242590.ece/d65d5/ALTERNATES/w620/mep-letter-to-schulz-on-irish-referendum-2.jpg



    http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/meps-claim-voters-have-been-intimidated-into-supporting-yes-campaign-call-for-eu-intervention-31242597.html

    I think Declan Ganley went looking for a recount in the Euro elections a few years back claiming that there was potentially fraudulent activity going on in the count. Desperate times, desperate measures etc. The writing is on the wall and they are clambering for anything they can use, no matter how ludicrous.


  • #9119
    Anita Blow
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,935 ✭✭✭Anita Blow


    YFlyer wrote: »
    My name is Ray. So in school, I used to get slagged Ray the Gay. .

    Pissing myself laughing. ****ing class slag! :D


  • #9120
    P_1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,681 ✭✭✭✭P_1


    MathDebater wrote: »
    What do people make of this letter?

    http://cdn1.independent.ie/incoming/article31242590.ece/d65d5/ALTERNATES/w620/mep-letter-to-schulz-on-irish-referendum-2.jpg



    http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/meps-claim-voters-have-been-intimidated-into-supporting-yes-campaign-call-for-eu-intervention-31242597.html

    None of their business trying to overturn the will of the Irish people after the vote has taken place, if they had such concerns then they should have raised them before the vote took place.


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  • #9121
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 1,681 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    MathDebater wrote: »
    What do people make of this letter?

    http://cdn1.independent.ie/incoming/article31242590.ece/d65d5/ALTERNATES/w620/mep-letter-to-schulz-on-irish-referendum-2.jpg



    http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/meps-claim-voters-have-been-intimidated-into-supporting-yes-campaign-call-for-eu-intervention-31242597.html

    They are obviously getting it mixed up with a European Union Treaty Referendum.


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