Same Sex Marriage Referendum Mega Thread - MOD WARNING IN FIRST POST

keeponhurling · 21-05-2015 10:25PM

AtomicHorror wrote: »

You mean like same-sex marriage?

That would be an ecumenical matter

Anita Blow · 21-05-2015 10:26PM

oppenheimer1 wrote: »

The people who live here should shape the constitution we live under. If it was hordes of likely no voters returning would you still feel the same? I would.

To be honest there's no reason other than cynicism to suggest that there's some sinister voter fraud scheme afoot with Ireland's emigrants. I know 4 people returning home for the vote, all of which emigrated in the last 6 months.

I see any vote which encourages hordes of Irish to return home and engage with the political process to be a good thing.

oppenheimer1 · 21-05-2015 10:26PM

VinLieger wrote: »

If you are a european citizen you can vote for european elections no matter which european country you currently reside in

I agree. But the act of registering at another address revokes the 18 month return right.

Citizens Information wrote:

If you leave your address but you plan to return there within 18 months, you can continue to be registered there, as long you do not register at any other address.

Agent J · 21-05-2015 10:28PM

oppenheimer1 wrote: »

I stand corrected on that point. However many of these are returning from the UK and Europe more broadly where they will have registered to vote and thus be ineligible.

Um. No.

11(1) A is obviously referring to the register within Ireland.

Woodville56 · 21-05-2015 10:29PM

VinLieger wrote: »

If you were that serious about it you'd be reporting it, the fact is you know its nothing of the sort and would be laughed at so you are trying to pretend ambivalence of it to hide how wrong you are

I'm not a supporter of organized religion so it's no skin of my nose but I know blasphemy when I see it. End of story

oppenheimer1 · 21-05-2015 10:31PM

Anita Blow wrote: »

To be honest there's no reason other than cynicism to suggest that there's some sinister voter fraud scheme afoot with Ireland's emigrants. I know 4 people returning home for the vote, all of which emigrated in the last 6 months.

I see any vote which encourages hordes of Irish to return home and engage with the political process to be a good thing.

I agree that people engaging with the political process is a good thing, only if they have to live with the consequences of their actions.

I also know 3 people returning to vote. However they left 4 years ago.

VinLieger · 21-05-2015 10:32PM

Woodville56 wrote: »

I'm not a supporter of organized religion so it's no skin of my nose but I know blasphemy when I see it. End of story

You really don't

mikemac1 · 21-05-2015 10:32PM

Will people be voting to give the government a kicking? Hey we've a long history of doing it for European votes

I'm looking in particular at Roscommon South Leitrim which is odds on on Paddy Power to vote no.

I don't know the area realy but I know about their hospital protests and water boil notices and the area seems to get a lot of coverage in the last few years

Not so many constituencies are odds on to vote no and Paddy Power traders don't give away money so it stands out

traprunner · 21-05-2015 10:35PM

Blasphemy is a very unfair law. I feel unequal as an atheist because I can't claim offence over silly little imaginary things

P_1 · 21-05-2015 10:35PM

mikemac1 wrote: »

Will people be voting to give the government a kicking? Hey we've a long history of doing it for European votes

I'm looking in particular at Roscommon South Leitrim which is odds on on Paddy Power to vote no.

I don't know the area realy but I know about their hospital protests and water boil notices and the area seems to get a lot of coverage in the last few years

You'd like to think folk would have the intelligence and cop on to realise we're dealing with two rather distinct issues

Agent J · 21-05-2015 10:35PM

oppenheimer1 wrote: »

I agree. But the act of registering at another address revokes the 18 month return right.

If you're going to quote something to back up your point you really should link to it.

http://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/moving_country/moving_to_ireland/introduction_to_the_irish_system/right_to_vote.html#l862a3

It's quite clear since there is a separate section on overseas voters below where you are quoting from that it doesn't refer to that.

endacl · 21-05-2015 10:35PM

Woodville56 wrote: »

I'm not a supporter of organized religion so it's no skin of my nose but I know blasphemy when I see it. End of story

Ah, blasphemy. The only truly victimless crime.

AtomicHorror · 21-05-2015 10:35PM

Woodville56 wrote: »

I'm not a supporter of organized religion so it's no skin of my nose but I know blasphemy when I see it. End of story

If you're no supporter of organised religion, why do you consider blasphemy to be a problem?

oppenheimer1 · 21-05-2015 10:37PM

mikemac1 wrote: »

Will people be voting to give the government a kicking? Hey we've a long history of doing it for European votes

I'm looking in particular at Roscommon South Leitrim which is odds on on Paddy Power to vote no.

I don't know the area realy but I know about their hospital protests and water boil notices and the area seems to get a lot of coverage in the last few years

Not so many constituencies are odds on to vote no and Paddy Power traders don't give away money so it stands out

I doubt this vote will draw out much of a protest vote. The limpness of the Fine Gael yes campaign is notable and this is particularly the case in rural constituencies.

road_high · 21-05-2015 10:37PM

mikemac1 wrote: »

Will people be voting to give the government a kicking? Hey we've a long history of doing it for European votes

I'm looking in particular at Roscommon South Leitrim which is odds on on Paddy Power to vote no.

I don't know the area realy but I know about their hospital protests and water boil notices and the area seems to get a lot of coverage in the last few years

Not so many constituencies are odds on to vote no and Paddy Power traders don't give away money so it stands out

Luckily hardly anyone lives in these places with massive chips on their subsidised shoulders, so hopefully Dublin/Leinster will carry the day and move the country forward as usual.

Kiwi in IE · 21-05-2015 10:38PM

oppenheimer1 wrote: »

I agree that people engaging with the political process is a good thing, only if they have to live with the consequences of their actions.

I also know 3 people returning to vote. However they left 4 years ago.

What does this mean exactly? 'Living with the consequences of their actions'? What are those consequences likely to be? LGBT people being allowed to marry? What hardship is that likely to impose on your life?

gandalf · 21-05-2015 10:38PM

TBH if people are flying back to this country to vote in the referendums then they are far better citizens than the lumps who live here permanently and won't bother their arses to vote tomorrow.

tigger123 · 21-05-2015 10:40PM

oppenheimer1 wrote: »

I agree that people engaging with the political process is a good thing, only if they have to live with the consequences of their actions.

I also know 3 people returning to vote. However they left 4 years ago.

There are people coming home to vote tomorrow that can't wait to move back here. They've been forced to emigrate so that find employment and will be back as soon as they can.

oppenheimer1 · 21-05-2015 10:40PM

gandalf wrote: »

TBH if people are flying back to this country to vote in the referendums then they are far better citizens than the lumps who live here and won't bother their arses to vote tomorrow.

The best citizens stay and contribute to society. The good full citizen doesn't pick and choose what part of civic life they want to participate in.

endacl · 21-05-2015 10:41PM

traprunner wrote: »

Blasphemy is a very unfair law. I feel unequal as an atheist because I can't claim offence over silly little imaginary things

Your post count is 660.

Choose your next 6 carefully!

Kiwi in IE · 21-05-2015 10:42PM

tigger123 wrote: »

There are people coming home to vote tomorrow that can't wait to move back here. They've been forced to emigrate so that find employment and will be back as soon as they can.

Or perhaps they immigrated so they could marry their partner!

Ave Sodalis · 21-05-2015 10:42PM

oppenheimer1 wrote: »

The best citizens stay and contribute to society. The good full citizen doesn't pick and choose what part of civic life they want to participate in.

I know there's only a few hours left but really? This is what we're trying to drag the thread to?

gandalf · 21-05-2015 10:42PM

oppenheimer1 wrote: »

The best citizens stay and contribute to society. The good full citizen doesn't pick and choose what part of civic life they want to participate in.

Blah Blah Pontificating ****e blah!!!!

Woodville56 · 21-05-2015 10:43PM

mikemac1 wrote: »

Will people be voting to give the government a kicking? Hey we've a long history of doing it for European votes

I'm looking in particular at Roscommon South Leitrim which is odds on on Paddy Power to vote no.

I don't know the area realy but I know about their hospital protests and water boil notices and the area seems to get a lot of coverage in the last few years

Not so many constituencies are odds on to vote no and Paddy Power traders don't give away money so it stands out

If Kenny & Co think this referendum is going to enhance their chances of reelection next year, they're even more out of touch with reality than was previously suspected. Keeping a promise to legislate for same sex marriage won't make up for all the broken promises in other areas of life and the divisiveness of this debate may just return to bite them in the ass when they're called to account on other reneged promises on the doorsteps next year.

endacl · 21-05-2015 10:43PM

oppenheimer1 wrote: »

The best citizens stay and contribute to society. The good full citizen doesn't pick and choose what part of civic life they want to participate in.

Tens of thousands left to contribute to our society over the decades. And never got to participate in any part of civic life.

Cop on.

oppenheimer1 · 21-05-2015 10:44PM

Kiwi in IE wrote: »

What does this mean exactly? 'Living with the consequences of their actions'? What are those consequences likely to be? LGBT people being allowed to marry? What hardship is that likely to impose on your life?

Its not likely to impose any hardship on me. I see the proposal as quite benign tbh. Only those with the right to vote should be able to voice their opinion at the ballot box. Those that have lost that right should respect that this decision is not for them to make. Even if there is a polling card with their name on it.

Top marks for attacking the poster and not the post :rolleyes:.

endacl · 21-05-2015 10:45PM

sup_dude wrote: »

I know there's only a few hours left but really? This is what we're trying to drag the thread to?

They've lost. They're practising being gracious in defeat. Or the opposite.

Vivisectus · 21-05-2015 10:45PM

Woodville56 wrote: »

I'm not a supporter of organized religion so it's no skin of my nose but I know blasphemy when I see it. End of story

Blasphemy is a crime, an overlap of religious authority into criminal law. It should not exist outside theocracies, as it is deeply unfair: it gives special privileges to some beliefs, but not to others, on largely arbitrary grounds.

But if you want to say that you find it unnecessarily disrespectful of sincerely held beliefs, then I would say fair enough.

silverfeather · 21-05-2015 10:45PM

endacl wrote: »

They've lost. They're practising being gracious in defeat. Or the opposite.

Iona will never be gracious they will play victim.

VinLieger · 21-05-2015 10:46PM

endacl wrote: »

They've lost. They're practising being gracious in defeat. Or the opposite.

Id normally chastise anyone calling a win but watching the #hometovote hashtag on twitter is so encouraging and heartwarming, im really starting to believe

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