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  • #7472
    WoolyJumper
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 849 ✭✭✭WoolyJumper


    oppenheimer1 wrote: »
    If the result is that close I can forsee a successful court challenge to the result. Anecdotally there appears that a significant amount of voter fraud will take place tomorrow as many non-resident citizens have appeared to travel to Ireland for the sole purpose of voting.

    If they have been away from Ireland for less than 18 months they are entitled to come home and vote. That isn't fraud.


  • #7473
    gandalf
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,458 ✭✭✭✭gandalf


    oppenheimer1 wrote: »
    Thumbs up to voter fraud :rolleyes:

    If they are on the register it isn't voter fraud. TBH we should have a means to allow citizens to vote on issues like this from abroad. My wife is French and she gets to vote in French elections and is facilitated by the Embassy in Dublin.


  • #7474
    Not a NSA agent
    Closed Accounts Posts: 781 ✭✭✭Not a NSA agent


    Kiwi in IE wrote: »
    I can't find anything on the net about this? It should be all over the news if true. Wasn't it allowed to be discussed up until 1400? I wouldn't be suprised though. Were they trying to silence the yes vote by stopping the referendum altogether.

    It's a shame they are Catholic and live in a First World country. If they were Muslim, they would love Sharia Law and there are plenty of countries that accommodate that. Either that or they would have been well suited to the time of the Inquisition. I feel sorry for them really, they were clearly born in the wrong time/place.

    I remember reading it cant be reported until after the referendum. Not sure what the source is or if its even true. Can they even do that?


  • #7475
    Ghost Buster
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 5,172 ✭✭✭Ghost Buster


    Woodville56 wrote: »
    Just when one thinks the Yes side have ploughed the depths of insult and nastiness in response to those who don't see things their way, they throw blasphemy into the mix ! How liberated is that !

    Ummmmmm. Very


  • #7476
    Sunnyisland
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,562 ✭✭✭✭Sunnyisland


    Anita Blow wrote: »
    If anyone wants a little encouragement, this pic just went up on Facebook. Dublin Airport passport control. The line is returning Irish
    https://scontent-fra3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpf1/v/t1.0-9/10458890_10153023864222585_8298088411667670277_n.jpg?oh=58207969356eb59ca60ea74e3f71a489&oe=55CB9623

    sorry that has more to do with the fcuk up at the passport control then people returning home to vote,last month the q was right back to the hub of ryanairs araivals, just saying.


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  • #7477
    oppenheimer1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,733 ✭✭✭oppenheimer1


    Anita Blow wrote: »
    As long as they haven't been out of the country for more than 18 months they're legally permitted to vote.

    No, they have to be normally resident in the country on the 1st of September.
    The 18 month rule only applies internally within Ireland - say students living away for college.
    Citizens Information wrote:
    If you are an Irish citizen living abroad you cannot be entered on the register of electors. This means that you cannot vote in an election or referendum here in Ireland. (The only exception to this is in the case of Irish officials on duty abroad (and their spouses) who may register on the postal voters list).


  • #7478
    Ghost Buster
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 5,172 ✭✭✭Ghost Buster


    Woodville56 wrote: »
    Just when one thinks the Yes side have ploughed the depths of insult and nastiness in response to those who don't see things their way, they throw blasphemy into the mix ! How liberated is that !

    Ummmmmm. Very


  • #7479
    Woodville56
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,643 ✭✭✭Woodville56


    Ghost Buster wrote: »
    Cant vote if not registered, if registered then entitled to......,surely?

    Hope they all remember to come back and vote when national issues are at stake - like who governs the county in a year's time !


  • #7480
    RobertKK
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,775 ✭✭✭✭RobertKK


    Ghost Buster wrote: »
    Cant vote if not registered, if registered then entitled to......,surely?

    But they might still get a voting card.

    My mother had died in 2011, got a voting card for her in 2013, she couldn't vote obviously.
    But nothing to stop voter fraud tomorrow, if people come back and they still on the register even though not entitled.


  • #7481
    Not a NSA agent
    Closed Accounts Posts: 781 ✭✭✭Not a NSA agent


    Woodville56 wrote: »
    Just when one thinks the Yes side have ploughed the depths of insult and nastiness in response to those who don't see things their way, they throw blasphemy into the mix ! How liberated is that !

    If you think its blasphemy you should report it. Wouldnt be the first time the no side attempts to limit freedom of speech.


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  • #7482
    Ghost Buster
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 5,172 ✭✭✭Ghost Buster


    Woodville56 wrote: »
    Hope they all remember to come back and vote when national issues are at stake - like who governs the county in a year's time !

    Oh look, a chess playing pigeon


  • #7483
    oppenheimer1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,733 ✭✭✭oppenheimer1


    gandalf wrote: »
    If they are on the register it isn't voter fraud. TBH we should have a means to allow citizens to vote on issues like this from abroad. My wife is French and she gets to vote in French elections and is facilitated by the Embassy in Dublin.

    You have to be a full Irish citizen, on the electoral register AND resident in Ireland on 1st September before the new register comes into force to be entitled to vote. The 18 month rule doesn't apply if you leave the country afaik.

    I don't see why we should allow people whose vote will have no effect on themselves to vote in our elections and referendums. You need to have skin in the game so to speak.


  • #7484
    VinLieger
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,082 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    smokingman wrote: »
    Anyone hear about ionas attempted injunction to postpone the equality referendum last night?

    Is this real? If so would love a source?


  • #7485
    Kiwi in IE
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,063 ✭✭✭Kiwi in IE


    gandalf wrote: »
    If they are on the register it isn't voter fraud. TBH we should have a means to allow citizens to vote on issues like this from abroad. My wife is French and she gets to vote in French elections and is facilitated by the Embassy in Dublin.

    It is absurd really! I am allowed to vote in NZ elections for the rest of my life even if I never move back there. So long as I have entered the country in the last 3 years (including for a brief visit). My son will be able to do the same even if he never lives in NZ. There are a few things about Irish elections that are very restrictive. Like having to physically present in the electorate where you are registered to vote.

    Luckily it is my OH's day off tomorrow, but if he was working he would have found it difficult to vote (although even if he had been working, he would have called in sick before failing to vote on this issue). He works an hour away and is away from home from 0700 until 2100. There can often be issues at work that hold him up and cause him to be later also. This carry on advantages OAP's and disadvantages the young/college/commuting.


  • #7486
    gandalf
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,458 ✭✭✭✭gandalf


    oppenheimer1 wrote: »
    You have to be a full Irish citizen, on the electoral register AND resident in Ireland on 1st September before the new register comes into force to be entitled to vote. The 18 month rule doesn't apply if you leave the country

    So are you going to challenge everyone at the polling station tomorrow? If the local authorities are inefficient then it is on their heads.

    From a practical point of view once people are on the register then they can vote.


  • #7487
    keeponhurling
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,608 ✭✭✭keeponhurling


    Perhaps there's still time to ask a team from the United Nations to independently assess the integrity of the vote


  • #7488
    Agent J
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,909 ✭✭✭Agent J



    (3) For the purposes of this Part—

    (a) a person shall be deemed not to have given up ordinary residence if he intends to resume residence within eighteen months after giving it up,

    (b) a written statement by a person that he intends to resume residence within eighteen months after giving it up shall, in the absence of evidence to the contrary, be accepted as a correct statement.

    -Section 11,(3)


    http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/1992/en/act/pub/0023/print.html


  • #7489
    Woodville56
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,643 ✭✭✭Woodville56


    Not a NSA agent wrote: »
    If you think its blasphemy you should report it. Wouldnt be the first time the no side attempts to limit freedom of speech.

    Well clearly the Yes side think they're infallible when it comes down to questions of who's right and who's wrong, I've no interest in having anyone banned, not that I'd be successful even if I wanted to, given the partisan moderation on Boards in this issue. Bigotry works both way it seems ?


  • #7490
    silverfeather
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,154 ✭✭✭silverfeather


    keeponhurling wrote: »
    Perhaps there's still time to ask a team from the United Nations to independently assess the integrity of the vote
    Eurovision is that way.


  • #7491
    oppenheimer1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,733 ✭✭✭oppenheimer1


    gandalf wrote: »
    So are you going to challenge everyone at the polling station tomorrow? If the local authorities are inefficient then it is on their heads.

    From a practical point of view once people are on the register then they can vote.

    No I won't be challenging anyone in a polling station tomorrow, see because I work in this country and fully contribute to Irish society I don't have the time.

    Unlike many of these fraudsters who can swan in and then fuck off, leaving us to deal with the outcome of their decisions. An outcome which they don't have to face.


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  • #7492
    Anita Blow
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,935 ✭✭✭Anita Blow


    oppenheimer1 wrote: »
    I don't see why we should allow people whose vote will have no effect on themselves to vote in our elections and referendums. You need to have skin in the game so to speak.

    Funny how this applies to returning voters and not the majority of the country who are being asked to vote on the rights of a minority with "no effect on themselves"


  • #7493
    Not a NSA agent
    Closed Accounts Posts: 781 ✭✭✭Not a NSA agent


    Woodville56 wrote: »
    Well clearly the Yes side think they're infallible when it comes down to questions of who's right and who's wrong, I've no interest in having anyone banned, not that I'd be successful even if I wanted to, given the partisan moderation on Boards in this issue. Bigotry works both way it seems ?

    Blasphemy is a crime in Ireland. If you think a crime has been committed you should report it to the gardai.


  • #7494
    oppenheimer1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,733 ✭✭✭oppenheimer1


    Agent J wrote: »
    -Section 11,(3)


    http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/1992/en/act/pub/0023/print.html

    I stand corrected on that point. However many of these are returning from the UK and Europe more broadly where they will have registered to vote and thus be ineligible.


  • #7495
    VinLieger
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,082 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    oppenheimer1 wrote: »
    I stand corrected on that point. However many of these are returning from the UK and Europe more broadly where they will have registered to vote and thus be ineligible.

    If you are a european citizen you can vote for european elections no matter which european country you currently reside in


  • #7496
    Woodville56
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,643 ✭✭✭Woodville56


    Not a NSA agent wrote: »
    Blasphemy is a crime in Ireland. If you think a crime has been committed you should report it to the gardai.

    I've no intention of reporting anyone or anything but we all know what blasphemy is and that it's totally unnecessary and uncalled for in this context.


  • #7497
    oppenheimer1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,733 ✭✭✭oppenheimer1


    Anita Blow wrote: »
    Funny how this applies to returning voters and not the majority of the country who are being asked to vote on the rights of a minority with "no effect on themselves"

    The people who live here should shape the constitution we live under. If it was hordes of likely no voters returning would you still feel the same? I would. I would rather see the migrants that moved here and live here have a say than those that don't.


  • #7498
    gandalf
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,458 ✭✭✭✭gandalf


    oppenheimer1 wrote: »
    No I won't be challenging anyone in a polling station tomorrow, see because I work in this country and fully contribute to Irish society I don't have the time.

    Unlike many of these fraudsters who can swan in and then fuck off, leaving us to deal with the outcome of their decisions. An outcome which they don't have to face.

    Well they are helping counter a pack of Fraudsters spearheading the no side who have lied their whole way through the referendum debate so I guess it all balances everything up.


  • #7499
    VinLieger
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,082 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    Woodville56 wrote: »
    I've no intention of reporting anyone or anything but we all know what blasphemy is and that it's totally unnecessary and uncalled for in this context.

    If you were that serious about it you'd be reporting it, the fact is you know its nothing of the sort and would be laughed at so you are trying to pretend ambivalence of it to hide how wrong you are


  • #7500
    Vivisectus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 807 ✭✭✭Vivisectus


    The problem with religious conservatism is that it assumes there is some sort of static ideal. That can be a problem in a society, as societies are made up of living beings, so they change over time. We believe radically different things now from what we believed even a hundred years ago. And the irony is that the points of view that the current batch of conservatives espouse are actually pretty much what radical liberal reformers held not too long ago.

    And yet that does not stop them from claiming that whatever they like is natural, divinely ordained, eternal.

    There is a sort of amnesia about this kind of thinking, where the ideal seems to be perpetually about 50 years ago, and the same predictions and arguments seem to be recycled for one cause after another.

    I think in another 50 years, a man much like me will look at his gay child and think "thank **** you don't have to deal with THAT bullcrap" the same way I look at my daughters and think "Thank **** for women's lib - at least you won't have to deal with THAT much inequality".


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  • #7501
    AtomicHorror
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,888 ✭✭✭AtomicHorror


    oppenheimer1 wrote: »
    No I won't be challenging anyone in a polling station tomorrow, see because I work in this country and fully contribute to Irish society I don't have the time.

    Unlike many of these fraudsters who can swan in and then fuck off, leaving us to deal with the outcome of their decisions. An outcome which they don't have to face.

    You mean like same-sex marriage?


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